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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: old nick on Monday 26 March 12 10:11 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find when and where mary byrne was born, I believe circa 1887, and who her parents were. I believe they may have been from kilmorony. have tried for ages and am totaly banjaxed.
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It might be an idea to start with a search for slightly more recent details...
do you have Mary's marriage record ?
It should show her father's name and occupation which should help. The surname Byrne is very common in Ireland - particularly in Co. Carlow and Wicklow so you need all the clues you can get to find the correct Mary..
See : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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shanew147 - thank-you for your reply - I do have marriage cert and her father was Thomas, mother maria, its the birth details which I cannot find. have tried records office in Rosscommon - so far, no dice.
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The closest match that I see so far to the location name are the townlands of Killenora and Kilmurry.. either of these sound familiar ?
your problem is finding the 'right' Mary Byrne ... there are quite a few Mary Byrnes born in the Carlow registration district between 1885 and 1889 - see : Mary Byrne births, Carlow district (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AMary%20%2Bsurname%3AByrne~%20%2Bbirth_place%3ACarlow%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1885-1889~&collection_id=1408347)
Note - parts of Co. Carlow are covered by other registration districts - i.e. Baltinglass, Enniscorthy, New Ross & Shilleagh.
Did Mary marry in Ireland ?
If so what places of residence do Mary and her husband have on the marriage record ?
p.s. do you have Thomas's occupation from the cert ?
might help find him on the 1901 census...
Shane
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Is she the Minnie who is boarding with the Sheas in Rathellen?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Leighlinbridge/Rathellen/1043018/
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I was crossing my fingers she would have been with her family on a census return... hopefully with an unusually named sibling! (i.e. easy to find a birth reference for)
S.
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I am trying to find when and where mary byrne was born, I believe circa 1887, and who her parents were. I believe they may have been from kilmorony. have tried for ages and am totaly banjaxed.
just found a townland named Kilmorony in Co. Laois... the registration district for this is Athy. Will check to see how close it is to Co. Carlow..
S.
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The townland of Kilmorony, Co. Laois is about 13 km north of Carlow town and just west of the road between Carlow town and Athy. It's part of Tankardstown civil parish and very close to the Co. Kildare border.
Google Map : Kilmoroney townland - Carlow town (http://www.google.ie/maps?saddr=Kilmorony,+Laois&daddr=Carlow&hl=en&ll=52.88322,-6.93512&spn=0.224578,0.403748&sll=52.928154,-6.906281&sspn=0.112173,0.201874&geocode=FYvdJwMdvpGV_yk7p4J1Q29dSDGQcOE3qccAGA%3BFYc2JgMd-laW_ykRYRVgUV1dSDGQfjGXqccACg&oq=carlow&mra=ls&t=m&z=11)
Shane
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Thank-you to all who have replied to me - you have given me things to consider and explore. This lady was my grandmother and married to thomas gaskin - lived castledermot, strawhall, leagh. Perhaps I should explain, sorry am new to this, I have her on the 1901 and 1911 census in Cappanamrogue, Shrule, but it is her birth and earlier family details of which I know nothing. Her mother and father vanish on the 1911 census, not sure if they died or were elsewhere. Two brothers, James and Thomas, don't know what happened to them either.
regards - old nick.
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here are the census links for reference :
Byrne siblings - 1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Shrule/Cappanamrogue/787554/)
Byrne household - 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Shrule/Cappanamrogue/1646212/)
place of birth for the wife and children is Queen's County or Co. Laois, just Thomas was born in Co. Carlow.
The townland of Cappanamrogue, Co. Laois is located about 8km north west of Carlow town, so about 7km south of Kilmorony.
Shane
Moderator Note : Topic moved to Co. Laois since the query is primarily re Mary's birth.
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Thank-you. Will do some investigating and hopefully be lucky!
Regards, Wendolynn.
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Hello Shane, as you rightly say there are lots of mary Byrne,s - looks like I will be busy for some time to come!
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There were Gaskins in Sleaty during the early 1800s. Its close to Shrule and Leaugh (in case you are not familiar with the area) Margaret Gaskin married Timothy Kearns from Sleaty in February 1833. They had several children over the next few years, and Margarets name was spelled as Gaskin, Gascon and Gask in the Graigue-cullen parish registers. Patrick Gaskin lived beside Sleaty ancient graveyard in 1851 (co-incidentally his neighbours were Byrnes)
If Mary has given her place of birth as Queens county, These may be related to her, albeit a few generations back.
Ros
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To irishrose.
Many thanks for the information - I shall certainly investigate. I am familiar with the areas of Leagh and Sleaty, I have researched much information about my family but as said before my grandmother Minnie has eluded me in terms of her birth and early existence. Do you know anything more regarding the Gaskin name in Sleaty?
Many thanks - old nick.
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Hi there,
Sorry, I do not know much more than I have given you. There is still a Gaskin family living in the area. As I said, the name was spelled in various forms in the parish birth register, but it is the same couple. There was a spring well, (now filled in unfortunately) known as Gasks well, near the present Sleaty Road roundabout. Do you know if your Gaskins are buried in the Sleaty or Killeshin Cemetery?
Ros
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To irishrose.
They are, including my grandmother, buried at Killeshin and there are quite a few. I have this afternoon looked at Killeshin's marriage records for the Kearns/Gaskin marriage you spoke of for 1833 and can't find anything. My family still live just outside of the town but it seems they know little more than I do about grandmother Byrne. I shall keep on though as im sure there must be a birth record for Minnie - I just havn't found it yet!
Thanks again for the help and if you think of any other avenue to explore that will be great.
Regards, old nick.
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My Byrne ancestry is through Tankardstown Townland where my GGGF operated a forge at Pounds Cross. I am unaware of any Thomas in my family but I'd get a male member of your line to do advanced YDNA testing and get the results to the Byrne DNA Project.
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