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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: Sandiebeach44 on Sunday 01 April 12 01:41 BST (UK)
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Hoping someone can help me out
I am looking for George Henry Keeble, who may have lived South Australia I would love
to see if he is on the electoral rolls. He previously lived
in Mildura leaving possibly around 1907.
thanks for any assistance in advance! :)
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Hi Sandie,
I've checked the SA 1939 and 1941 Electoral Roll for Peterborough and George is not registered.
However, 1943 he is mentioned as a labourer at Mt Victor Station in the Wakefield Dist.
If you Google Mt Victor it says the nearest town is Hawker, 120k away. Peterborough is 125K away from Mt Victor.
Hope that helps a little,
Sashar
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South Australian Electoral Rolls are not online and NSW is only from 1930 -1980.
I have another resource and George Henry KEEBLE is not on the electoral roll in Victoria in 1903 or on the South Australian Roll in 1909 or 1939.
Perhaps this is him in NSW in 1936 & 1937.
Australian Electoral Roll
1936
KEEBLE George Henry Middle Camp, Menindee Labourer
1937
KEEBLE George Henry 234 William Street, Broken Hill Labourer
Death
KEEBLE George Henry
5 Jun 1968 94 years Status Widower No relative noted
Residence Peterborough Death Place Peterborough Fro H* 49A/3913
H* indicates he died in hospital or place of care.
Burial record
http://www.peterborough.sa.gov.au/page.aspx?c=8449
Marriage Vic
KEEBLE George Henry born Queensland
WESTHEAD Rachel Vida born NSW
1904 Reg#738
However the KEEBLE births are also under WESTHEAD with father unknown.
KEEBLEKathleen Christina Louise
Father Unknown Mother Rachel Vida WESTHEAD
At Mildura 1909 Reg#12928R
KEEBLE Harold Kniverns Camp
Father Unknown Mother Rachel Vida WESTHEAD
At Mildura 1911 Reg#5376R
KEEBLEMargaret Rachel Mary
Father not named Mother Rachel Vida WESTHEAD
At Mildura 1912 Reg#32549R
KEEBLE Alice Lavinia Mcinerney
Father not recorded Mother Rachel Vida WESTHEAD
At Mildura 1914 Reg#14985
and the following birth and death with differing surnames but same mother.
Birth also registered under FOSTER, KEEBLE with father unknown
FOSTER Roland Stanley
Father Frederick Mother Rachael Vida WESTHEAD
At Mildaura 1920 Reg#14736
Death
FISHER Roland Stanley
Father Foster Frederick Mother Rachael Vida WESTHEAD
At Mildura 1920 Reg#7190
Death
KEEBLE Rachel Vida
Father Josef WESTHEAD Mother's Name Alice Cat LEAGERWOOD
At Mildura 1966 79 years Reg#12742
From 1914 to 1963 Rachel is on the electoral rolls in Mildura but no George Henry.
Legal Notice re his late father who died in WA
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0l25/
In March 1915 a Mrs KEEBLE from Perth placed an advertisment in the Broken Hill newspaper seeking the whereabouts of a George KEEBLE.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0l24/
I have [somewhere] a 1913 NSW electoral roll. Will have a look for it later.
Cheers
Cando
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RACHEL's birth in NSW
REG 14561 In 1886 WESTHEAD RACHEL V
Parents JOSEPH & ALICE C. at HAY.
ADDING
Marriage of her parents in Victoria
WESTHEAD Joseph
LEDGERWOOD Alice Catherine (born in Victoria)
His Birth Place S HURST
Year 1884
Reg Number 5644
Sue
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thank you everyone for all your help!!
I do have the birth of "His" children, or those who have been given his
surname in his absence. His whearabouts after 1907 were unknown to his family,
and I have been trying to find out what I can
I just love a good mystery!
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Cando's list did not include these two deaths so I will put them up in case you do not have them
Victorian Deaths
KEEBLE Harold Keniverru
Father George
Mother Rachel Vida WESTHEAD
Death Place MILD
Age 55
Year 1965
Reg Number 13965
KEEBLE Lachlan James Ke
Father George
Mother Rachel Vida WESTHEAD
Death Place MILD
Age 44
Age Code
Year 1969
Reg Number 25462
The deducted birthdates if correct are surprising as the father was unk. for Harold's birth.
Sue
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Thanks Sue, I do have those deaths, Harold is my husbands grandfather.
All of Georges "children" were thought of as being his children, but we know
that they aren't. I really want to get a timeline going of where he was and
learn more about his life.
The clue in Harolds birth certificate I feel is the name Campbell, I believe that
lists the last name of the real father. I cant imagine it would be Keniverous LOL
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Did the 1904 marriage take place in Mildura?
Australian Electoral Roll - with some spelling variations on Harold's 2nd given name.
1936
KEEBLE Alice Lavinia McInerney Riverbank Mildura Pensioner
KEEBLE Harold Kinnevenus Campbell Riverbank Mildura Labourer
KEEBLE Lucy Margaret Riverbank Mildura Home Duties
1963
KEEBLE Harold Keniverrus C 1210 Etiwanda Avenue, Mildura Labourer
Cando
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Hi,
A possibility.
NSW Police Gazette 16th November 1898, page 389.
A George Keeble was tried at the Wilcannia Police Court on 25th Oct 1898 for stealing from a person and sentenced to 3 months hard labour. Bound over in the sum of L40 and one surety in L40 to be of good behaviour for 12 months and report to the Wilcannie Police every 3 months.
L = Pound.
Regards
Gerry
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yes, marriage was in Mildura
Methodist Church Mildura Victoria Australia 24 Mar 1904
cool, thanks for the electoral roll info, and yes, Keniverous is hard to spell, so
I guess it is written up incorrectly every now and then. The family wanted to
have the name passed down to a grandchild, but the parents declined... dont know why ;)
I have looked at that NSW Police Gazette, and I dont think that it was him, I will have to look into it a bit more
cheers everyone!
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KEEBLE Lachlan James Ke Sue Reply #5
Do you think the KE in this death is also short for "Kennverrus" ?
On 1919 Electoral Roll
FREDERICK FOSTER. River bank, Mildura.
Sue
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His name is Lachlan James Kenneth Keeble.
Very interesting info on Frederick Foster!
The Keeble family (Rachel and her children) also lived on the Riverbank, all the children were born there. As were all of Harold Keniverus Keebles children except for the last one, all delivered by Rachel Vida, Harolds mother. Pretty tough times back then.
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There is an online tree with a photo of Rachel with one of the two sons who enlisted in WW2. Perhaps it is your tree ;D
There are 3 WW2 service summaries for Harold and Lachlan. None of the files have been digitised on NAA.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp#searchtabs
Cando
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I think that is the picture of Lachlan and Rachel his mother. that is on another
persons tree but I have seen it. Its a great picture!
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Did the informant know how many children he had had and any other details?
Sue
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No, all the information on marriage, spouce and children was unknown.
I think George left before there were any children born to Rachel, and at this stage,
The children bore his name, and by the looks of things, none were biological. Some have
two birth certificates registered, or have been corrected.
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His whearabouts after 1907 were unknown to his family, Reply #4
By this then you must mean his siblings and /or extended family.
He obviously had no "blood descendants"
Sue
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it seems to be that way, but its hard to prove. Thats why I would
try and check the electoral rolls to see where George Henry Keeble
was listed throughout the years. It would give us a clearer picture.
The family members that I am in tough with knew Rachel Vida (their grandmother)
but they didnt talk about their grandad (George), and dont know much
about him. I am just trying to piece the puzzle together.
I honestly thought I would never find out where he got to.
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I wonder who was the woman who placed the advertisement in the WA paper in 1915 regarding the whereabouts of GEORGE KEEBLE.
I have not seen JOSIAH’s second marriage but perhaps it is there.
The decree for dissolution of his marriage to SOPHIA GANE, GEORGE’s mother was obtained by JOSIAH in 1888 in Wilcania. The advertisement in 1915, was some years after JOSIAH’s death in 1896.
Sue
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Wilhelmina was Josiah second wife, they were married in Victoria in 1891.
I am not sure why she would place an advertisment looking for George, so long
after his fathers death. She died in Victoria in 1960.
Josiahs first wife Sophia went onto marry the person named in the Divorce proceedings - Charles Grainbauer.
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The children bore his name, and by the looks of things, none were biological. Some have
two birth certificates registered, or have been corrected.
The births were registered as KEEBLE - father unknown or WESTHEAD - father unknown, but the same birth registration number - note the registration numbers and only three certificates have R noted.
According to Lachlan's WW2 service summary he was born after the limit of available birth registrations in Vic. I wonder how many other children Rachel had?
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.asp?ServiceID=A&VeteranID=545603#summary1
What information leads you to believe that George Henry KEEBLE left Mildura in 1907?
You mention that George's grave has a headstone, someone would have had to organize that. Perhaps he left a Will with instructions.
Transcriptions of death certificates are available in South Australia at about half the cost of a certified certificate, just in case you even need another one :)
The decree for dissolution of his marriage to SOPHIA GANE, GEORGE’s mother was obtained by JOSIAH in 1888 in Wilcania
Wilcannia.....this looks more and more like George Henry KEEBLE in 1898.
NSW Police Gazette 16th November 1898, page 389.
A George Keeble was tried at the Wilcannia Police Court on 25th Oct 1898 for stealing from a person and sentenced to 3 months hard labour. Bound over in the sum of £40 and one surety in £40 to be of good behaviour for 12 months and report to the Wilcannia Police every 3 months.
The decree for dissolution of his marriage to SOPHIA GANE, GEORGE’s mother was obtained by JOSIAH in 1888 in Wilcania.
There is birth in Wilcannie in 1892. Advertisement mentions Wilhelmina "Lena KEEBLE"
1892/38531
KEEBLE Jessie G
Father Josiah W Mother Lena
District Wilcannia
I don't think you will find any further electoral roll info other than what has already been posted by Sashar and me.
The legal notice was simply a notice that an application would be made to the NSW supreme court to have Josiah's Will probated and George Henry was named an executor. Well that's how I interpret it ;D
Cheers
Cando
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I wonder if father JOSIAH and son GEORGE moved around the country together after the end of the marriage of JOSIAH and SOPHIA.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37566764?searchTerm="george keeble"&searchLimits=
A reference to George Keeble in WA as clearing some land . Says he was miner 2 years previously.
Sue
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It is family folklore I suppose you could call it about George leaving before any
children were born. He was married in 1904 and the first child was born in 1907.
The first childs name has the name McVeigh in it, a clue to his paternal lineage.
Rachel bore 13 children from 1907 to 1930, she was also a midwife.
Georges death fell just outside of the time period where I could get a transcription,
so I had to resort to getting the certificate.
There is a Probate notice for Josiah 1987, the other notice in the paper from Wilhelmina was
from 1915, with her trying to find George Keeble, and was placed in the Barrier Miner Newspaper from Broken Hill,
and we now know he in that area in the 1930's so perhaps he was in that area in 1915 as well.
I hadnt put the Wilcannia occurances together, so perhaps you are right there. Great find in Trove, I hadnt
come across the George Keeble in Wilcannia!
thanks again :)
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EDIT....The remarriage of the exwife
Sopia KEEBLE remarried......
EDIT
Ferdinand Grambauer died in 1943. He was a squatter in the Rockhampton district with large tracts of land.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/42276955?searchTerm="grambauer"&searchLimits=
Obituary for to Sophia GRAMBAUER who died in 1941
EDIT
Deleted. Incorrect statement. ;)
Sue
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Cool, hadnt yet searched for their obits.
All fits in with the dates I have for them. :D
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Rachael Vida Keeble (nee Westhead) is my wife's grannie Keeble. I do not believe she had any children to George Keeble however I do know that she had many men pass through her life. I also believe that some of those children bare the surname of their father. Eg. Alice Lavinia McInerney Keeble and sister Margaret Rachael Mary McInerney Keeble. During WWI she communicated with a McInerney who died overseas in action. I believe Alice and Mary are products of that relationship. Another Harold Keniverus "Campbell" Keeble, another August Victor Foster Keeble. My wifes mother and 4 of her siblings are the product of a relationship with a "Foster." The oldest child a boy who died in his teens from a snake bite also bore a surname which I cannot remember for the moment. I did some research and found that a person with the same surname was in Mildura at the time this boy would have been conceived but eventually ended up in Melbourne where he died. George Keeble I am told is buried in the Peterborough cemetery. One of Rachael's grandchildren traced him there apparently many years back and spoke with some old guy who new him. All the children appear to have been given the name Keeble even though no Keeble appears to have been around at that time. She had 14 children. My mother-in-law is Myrtle Eugene Augusta Keeble however her records clearly show her father was Foster. Some of the men in her life are John Henry McInerney, *** Alexander, Frederick Foster, Frederick William Kolpin, John B Minford, Claude Lipscombe. If anyone has any better info please let me know as I am stumbling through this at the moment.
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Hi John :)
Welcome to rootschat :)
Hopefully the OP of the thread will be notified of your post.
If you read through the thread you will see I posted
Perhaps this is him in NSW in 1936 & 1937.
Australian Electoral Roll
1936
KEEBLE George Henry Middle Camp, Menindee Labourer
1937
KEEBLE George Henry 234 William Street, Broken Hill Labourer
Death
KEEBLE George Henry
5 Jun 1968 94 years Status Widower No relative noted
Residence Peterborough Death Place Peterborough Fro H* 49A/3913
H* indicates he died in hospital or place of care.
Burial record
http://www.peterborough.sa.gov.au/page.aspx?c=8449
The above url is broken....new one
http://www.peterborough.sa.gov.au/page.aspx?u=240&c=14372
KEEBLE George Henry 95 years
Cemetery Peterborough Section Protestant 5 Grave#1374
Last Residence 140 Railway Terrace, Peterborough
Date of Burial Friday, 7 June 1968
Minister Officiating Rev I Barlow
Grave Depth 6
Permit/Lease/Register 0
Burial/Order Number 2413
Cando
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Hi John,
yes I am aware of the probability that George Keeble did not father any of the children to Rachel Vida. It was my research on here and the lovely people on here who helped me find the information that lead to learning of Georges final resting place. My father-in-law spoke to a family that George spent time with in Broken Hill and later South Australia, he learned more about George who he has always called his Grandfather. Some parts of the Keeble family are very touchy on the possibility that Rachel bore her children to a few different men, as you say, the birth certificates do indicate who the possible fathers are.
Cheers
Sandie Keeble
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Hi John, Sandie, cando,
Rachel was certainly an interesting lady! Detail from her death cert notes 12 children, however with the Ronald/Roaland's not listed - deaths as babies could mean they/he weren't/wasn't spoken of to be remembered when providing info for the cert. Her story would make an interesting book if we knew the full details, certainly of life for a midwife living on the banks of the Murray at the time. However as noted, it is a sore point with a number of descendants.
John McInerney is acknowledged as the father of the two McInerney named girls in his WWI record - he served under the name Teesdale. This was discovered from an obituary Rachel placed in the Mildura Cultivator in 1917. One of the girls was noted as crippled and would link with being noted as a pensioner in 1936.
Speculation here - was the 1915 ad looking for Geo Hy placed by Lena or was it perhaps by Rachel? Rachel may have been wanting to get a divorce as McInerney had a prime place in her affections. However she possibly wasn't in McInerney's according to his brother.
Also re Geo Hy - a few notices in Newcastle papers in 1943 note a Geo Hy Keeble, seaman, about the right age for our Geo Hy, charged, bailed, forfeited bail then convicted of offensive behaviour in Carrington. A few years earlier, a Geo Keeble was noted as the "wheelman" on a ship that ran aground in Qld. May be a different person, but if he can't be found in conventional electoral rolls, he may fit.
Going back to Josiah Wm Keeble, if interested, there is a report in the North Otago Times in Feb 1868, of a Josiah Wm Keeble, a steward on the "Water Nymph" which ran aground there, covering a case of theft from Josiah.
Best wishes,
Garry