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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Milly Mac on Thursday 12 April 12 06:10 BST (UK)
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Hi Janrm,
I guess genealogy is important to us in Australia because the country is only slightly over 200 years into settlement - which means we all have ancestors who were from 'somewhere else'. It's not the same as a country with centuries of history on the doorstep!
Anyway, a 'case study' sounds good to me.
I have very little information on my Gt Grandfather but I'm hapy to supply the little that I do have:
Name: Anton Ludwig Solberg.
Born: Christiansand (I think),Norway.
Occupation: Sailor.
Married: Ada Maud Florence Hall in Fremantle, Western Australia in 1893.Anton stayed 'on land' for approx 18 months before taking a job on a ship bound fo Fiji. He returned after 3 years.
First child: Hilda Amelia Solberg born circa 1899.
He took his wife & Daughter to Norway where second daughter Lilly Solberg was born.After 3 years there they returned to Western Australia. Ada's family paid the fare for her & the children but Anton only paid his own fare as far as Bremerhaven,where he asked the Captain of the sailing ship if he could work the rest of his passage to Australia - this was denied and he was put off the ship. He promised to find another ship & work his passage back.
This never happenned and after 8 years with no correspondence his wife filed for divorce which was granted in May 1916.
No one ever heard from Anton again - he could have fallen overboard, gone back to Norway or sailed somewhere else. - No one knows! (But I'd really like to know!)
Regards,
Milly Mac.
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Post retitled and split from:
Norway: Direct link to emigration databases
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,559420.0.html
Spades
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1908 Ship wreck
Solberg a crew member
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19080929.2.40&srpos=46&e=-------50--1-byDA---0solberg--
Bye
althea
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Hi Milly Mac,
The NZ Society of Genealogists (NZSG) Kiwi Index lists only a few 'SOLBERGS'.
In 1907 a Mrs SOLBERG aged 34 accompanied by a Miss SOLBERG aged 10 travelled from Melbourne VIC AUS to Bluff SLD NZ aboard the MAHENO.
In 1872 a Christian SOLBERG married a Miss ARCOURT.
In 1901 a miner named Christian SOLBERG (same bloke?) was naturalised. The place was Callaghan's, but someone else will have to tell you where that might be.
The NZSG have a Pedigree Collection record for a Augusta Frederica SOLBERG.
And there is a cemetery record for a Mary SOLBERG.
Spades
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A Christian/a SOLBERG aged 79 was buried at Hokitika WLD in 1905. Because there are two records it isn't clear if deceased was male or female but it was probably the Christian Solberg who was naturalised in 1901.
A Mary SOLBERG aged 58 was buried at Kumara WLD in 1887.
Spades
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Hi all,
Thank you for the information - I'm not sure I have a 'Christian Solberg' in the family - that name has never cropped up. The problem is simply "how do I tell if they belong or not?"
I don't know if there was more than one other seaman in the family or even if Anton emigrated alone or with family members. ??? There seem to have been other Solbergs in W.A. around the same time and I know that Anton's cousin offered him a job on a ship but quite honestly, your guess is as good as mine ;D
I can only hope something new will crop up.
Thanks again for all your help.
Milly Mac.
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I think you could safely close the door on the New Zealand angle..no possible clues/footprints that he called int this country.
Goodluck in the rest of the world LOL :)
we always live in hope...
Bye
Althea
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Hmmm...
I've had a look in the Norwegian Emigration databases with no luck so far.
I have a feeling this could be a hard one!
Any idea of Anton Ludwigs year of birth? Groom's father's name from marriage certificate?
Jan in Norway
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Hi Jan,
As far as I can decipher, I believe Anton's father was Olas (or Olaf).
Married in 1893- Fremantle W.A.
I think his mother was Christina (but I've no proof of that).
Milly Mac.
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Hi again!
Grasping at straws, but it could be that We should be looking for variations of "Anton Olsen" or "Anton Olafsen" in the Norwegian registers.
If he was 20-25 when he married YOB is 1868-73, too young to be in 1865 Census ....
J
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The 1885 census for Kristiansand is online.
Showing two "Anton Olsen", which I beleive are too young.
But there is one "Ludvig Olsen" here:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f81001Kristiansand&gardpostnr=823&personpostnr=7982#nedre
Born 1869, saw mill worker...
Worth having a closer look at?
J
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Hi Jan,
I'm not sure why I'm being told to look at the name 'Olsen' but I'm new at this so I'm sure there is a reason.
Just a moment ago I was going through ll the Anton Solbergs - one at a time and I think I have found a reference to him.
The list says 'Turned home: Norwegian-American'
last residence in America is listed as'Fremantle Australien'
year emigrated 1889 Year return Norway 1907.
"Notes- E.Overstroket av teller i all felt" (I'd love to know what this is!!)
I don't speak Norwegian so I can't decipher all of it so I'll just write it down as I read it and maybe some kind soul could translate for me;
Census Dist Kaarby Parish Hof Folktelling for 1910 for 0714 Hof herred.
1. Olav.O.Solberg 25.1.1877 g sagmester ved dampsag
2.Anna Solberg 20.8.1884 g gift med hrl
3. Lilly Solberg 16.2.1910 ug
4.Antonie Solberg 17.6.1899 ug
5.Antonie Solberg 8.3.1834 fampos fl Botne Hillestad.Undersottes av fattigvae
senet mor av.rr.1 og 6
6.Anton.O. 23.10.1867 e arbeider ved sagbruk (vand-)
Occup: Guldrubearbeider. Sagbruksarbeider
Residence 0014 Residence name Sletten Farm No Under 55 Prop 1%29%
It seems to me that this gould be the ONE!! I know that Anton was married in Fremantle Western Australia and having a sister named Lilly, was probably the reason for his daughter's name.
What do you think?
Milly Mac.
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Goddag Milly, velkommen til hus (Hello Milly, welcome to our house),
I was going to suggest that we could move your topic to Research in Other Countries where I see that you have an unanswered topic already http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,587097.0.html but like everyone else I'm enjoying your story far too much. ;D
Your census record above looks very promising! If you don't get a translation by tomorrow I can ask one of my relatives to have a go.
Spades
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I'm not sure why I'm being told to look at the name 'Olsen' but I'm new at this so I'm sure there is a reason.
I was going to ask that too but then thought i was being slow..
i assumed it could have been a derivation of son of Olaf..
Like english beginnings of Johnson..son of John
Bye
Althea
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Hi Althea,
I thought of that just after I pressed the 'post' icon - I'm still on "L" plates with all this.
On looking at all the dates, I'm wondering if these may be family members, but maybe not my Gt Grandfather himself - Looking at Lilly's birth date it seems she may be too old to be my Gt Aunt as they were back in Australia by then. (Aussie archives state Ada Solberg & daughters sailed back home in 1904). So I just don't know what to think now ???
Anyway, maybe a translation will shed some light :)
Milly Mac.
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This is the breakthrough on the Norwegian side!
I'll be able to do a more detailed translation a bit later, Anton seems to have been working i a goldmine i Australia...?!
J
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Hi Jan,
That's surprising! But is does fit the times of the Australian Goldrush.
I have always known he was a sailor (one of the few things I was told by my father) but I'd never have guessed he was a gold miner!
Can't wait for the translation now - I wonder why they were listed as 'turned back from America' when they were in Fremantle W.A. ???
Maybe I'm the lucky one that gets the translation error!
To quote "Alice in Wonderland" - "Curiouser and curiouser!".
Milly Mac.
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Copying a word-table didn'twork all that well, but here is some:
Anton O. Solberg: Returned Norwegian - American
Year of emigration:
1889
Residence in Norway before emigration:
Hof in J.
Return:
1907
Last residence in Amerika:
Fremantle Australien
Occupation in Amerika:
Gold Mine Worker, Saw Mill Worker.
Remarks:
E: All fields crossed out by counter
Family members
001 Olav O. Solberg
25.01.1877
Hof
hf
m
Saw mill master, steam saw mill
b
002
01
Anna Solberg
20.08.1884
Sande, J.
hm
m
Married to nr. 1
b
003
01
Lilly Solberg
16.02.1910
Hof
daughter
Antonie Solberg
17.06.1899
Hof
fl
Foster daughter
Antonie Solberg
08.03.1834
Botne %Hillestad%
fl
widow
Receieving poverty support, mother of nr. 1 and 6
006
01
Anton O. Solberg
23.10.1867
Botne
fl
f
Saw mill worker (water operated)
b
Residence (house/farm/site)
B.nr.
Bostedets navn
Matr.nr/Gnr
Løpenr/Bnr
Antall husholdninger
Tilstedeværende personer
Hjemmehørende personer
0014
Sletten
under 55
1 %29%
6
6
Tellingskrets
K.nr.
Tellingskretsens navn
Sogn
Prestegjeld
Herred / by
Merknader
003
Kaarby
Hof
Hof
more to come...
J
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Anton's got maritial status "divorced" in 1910...
I think his original baptism record is #12 here:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5915&idx_id=5915&uid=ny&idx_side=-118
We are very close to some more details on his Norwegian roots, I assume that is of interest?
Jan
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Hi Jan, Thank you for that - every little bit helps.
It is interesting that he is listed as divorced in 1910 because Australian records show that Ada did not file for divorce until 1916. Surely, there couldn't be two men with the same name and same marital status!
Maybe when they parted in Bremerhaven it was agreed that they would divorce ???
Oh! this just gets more complicated by the minute. :-\
Perhaps if I could find Gt Aunt Lilly's birth records in Norway it might set a closer time frame?
I'll just keep digging. :)
Milly Mac
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The Lilly in the census above is here:
Bissova siidoliŋka: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=22308&idx_id=22308&uid=ny&idx_side=-66
Daughter of Olaf and Anna, but you're looking for another
"Lilly Solberg" born in Norway ?
Could it be the same parish around 1900, or have you got
any more clues?
J
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Hi again,
The Lilly Solberg I am looking for is second daughter of Anton and Ada Maud Florence Solberg (nee Hall). Younger sister to Hilda Amelia Solberg.
Hilda was born in Australia and Lilly was born in Norway sometime between 1898 and 1904 as far as I can guess.
Milly Mac.
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Hmm...
I think grandma Antonie Syvertsdatter and Anton's younger brother Olaf is here in the 1900-census:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f00714&gardpostnr=267&personpostnr=1601&merk=1601#ovre
No sign of Anton or Lilly, should we be looking within the time fram 1901-04?
Anton's dad tailor Olaus Christiansen has passed away before Dec 3, 1900.
J
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I honestly don't know but it seems a good guess - I couldn't find either of them but I don't speak Noewegian and each time I click on the 'English" button I'm taken to a new site that doesn't seem to correlate to this one. ???
I'm back to being confused again!
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Hi again!
Lilly Florence, Apr 14, 1902.....
(#12)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=22308&idx_id=22308&uid=ny&idx_side=-11
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Hi Janrm,
Thank you so much- finally found my grandmother's younger sister!! ;D.
Milly.
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Only pleased to help....
Did your Lilly stay in Norway?
There is a comment about a baptism certificate in 1925...
J
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Hi Milly,
Here is a partial translation of your 1910 Norwegian Census record above:
Census District Kaarby Parish of Hof Registrar for 1910 for 0714 Hof community.
1. Olav. O. SOLBERG 25.1.1877 Married (g) Saw master of steam saw
2. Anna SOLBERG 20.8.1884 Married (g) to herr hrl (?) above (?)
3. Lilly SOLBERG 16.2.1910 Unmarried
4. Antonie SOLBERG 17.6.1899 Unmarried
5. Antonie SOLBERG 8.3.1834 Family Position. Botne Hillestad. Under the care of the department for the poor. Mother of No.s 1 and 6
above and under.
6. Anton.O. 23.10.1867 widower ? (e) works at sawmill (powered by water?)
Occupation: Gold mine worker and sawmill worker
Residence 0014 Residence Sletten Farm (Number Under 55 Prop 1% 29% -this detail untranslatable, possibly farm number and usage number)
Hope this helps.
Spades
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Wow! ;D
Thank you so much Spades. (so much easier to grasp in English).
I don't know why Anton is listed as Widower unless there is a similar translation for divorced. ???
(Maybe it was entered by the same person who thought that Fremantle Western Australia was in America!!)
Anyway, this definitely looks like the family that I am looking for - So grateful for all the help received so far!
Milly.
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Quick reply:
"spades" is 90% right, but:
Anton has status "f" which means divorced, ref 1910-Census codes.
His mother is a widow.
J
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Thank you Jan.
Milly.
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Another interesting detail is that Anton's census details seems to be crossed out
By the counter, could indicate he has left the parish
Around 1911...??(speculation!)
Here I think I've found Anton's parents & 3 elder brothers
In 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f60714&gardpostnr=168&sokefelt=skjul
J
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Hi Jan,
Thank you so much for this - only this morning I was wondering how Anton came to be named (possibly ) after his mother when the naming system should have been in place - I wondered if there were older siblings who had fitted into the naming pattern.
If they did use it , Then Olas's father should have been Kristian and Antonie's father Karl or Syver.
Is this correct? (or have I lost the plot?).
Anyway, thank you again for your invaluable help. ;D
Milly.
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Only pleased to help....
Did your Lilly stay in Norway?
There is a comment about a baptism certificate in 1925...
J
Sorry,
I forgot to answer your question.
My Gt Aunt Lilly sailed back to Australia with her mother & older sister in 1904 (aged approx 2-3y.o.) - Anton was never heard from or seen again after he left the ship in Bremerhaven.
Milly.
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Anton could have been partly named after his mum, but that's
Just a family convention I think....
Antonie's father should be Syvert and Olaus' father should be Kristian...
These parishes are quite small, so if the handwriting is not too
Challenging this should be possible to verify!
J
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Wow! I thought I may have had that wrong, but i think I am actually getting the hang of this! ;D
I just can't believe that I've been searching for decades (literally) with absolutely no success and within a couple of weeks I can see that elusive family history coming together.
I can't thank you enough for all your help. :D
Milly.
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I must admit this is fun,
Here's a candidate for Sophie Antonie's baptism:
(#10, top right)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8145&idx_id=8145&uid=ny&idx_side=-93
Father is Syvert Tollefsen, mother more challenging!
J
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Hi again,
I'm thrilled you are having fun :D
I really can't see much of the page you displayed this time - I can only make out the word Sophie (I think) so I'll take you word for this one.
Does this mean that her father 9my gt,gt,gt grandfather's name was Tollef?
Milly.
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I finally worked out how to enlarge the writing ::)
I think the mother's name could be Liselle or Libelle Halvors.
What do you think?
I can't make out what it says under that or what the other column says (might help if I knew what the heading said ???)
Once again, you amaze me ;D
Milly.
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Antonie's Confirmation record 1848 (#5)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5915&idx_id=5915&uid=ny&idx_side=-224
Mother's name still challenging, but my best attempt is Sibille Halvorsdatter.
First letter must be an "S"....
Sivert Tollefsen is registered as "Gmd" (=farmer) opposed to "Hmd" (=cottager)
This difference is partly the reason why a lot of people emigrated.
J
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More fun:
Tailor Olaus Christiansen died from "Tering" Sept 9, 1884. He was born Apr 23, 1836 at Solberg in Botne.
(That's where the Solberg name must come from...)
(#6)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3951&idx_id=3951&uid=ny&idx_side=-219
J
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Once again, Thank you!!
Can you tell me what 'gift' means after his name? and any idea what 'tering' is?
Thanks again,
Milly.
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Hi again!
Gift=married
Tering=tuberculosis
From a genealogy point of wiev, you may consider this week
As your "lucky week", because I've just found out that
There are much more details on this family in disnorge's private
Database..!
J
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Hi,
Having all the information on my family that you have helped me find,when I searched for over decades with no success already qualifies this as my "lucky week".
I am now even more intrigued - can you tell me what this "Disnorges Private Database" is?
Milly.
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Hi again!
Disnorge.no is an online Genealogy web, with
A database where members enter theire GEDCOMs and
Get matches back. (similar to Ancestry and MyHeritage)
I can see there are entries back to around 1690 considering your
Family....
U
We were struggeling with a first name: She's called Silliba Halvorsdatter (1798-1848)
Jan
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Hi Janrm,
How do I get to see this website?
And thank you, once again ;D
Milly.
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By joining Disnorge (Costs approx. NOK 400) you will get username & password to log on.
And, you must contribute by uploading your own GEDCOM to be able to see other members family trees.....
I might be able to provide a rough translation of what's in there, but it will have to be "lucky next week"...
J
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Hi Janrm,
Thanks for that information.
Unfortunately joining is not financially viable just now. As soon as I can join, I'll be back to let you know what I find.
Thank you once again, for all your invaluable help. ;D
Milly Mac.
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.."it ain't over yet"!
A Quick Google of "Solberg i Botne" returns a reference to this Genealogy-book:
http://wwww.slekt1.com/nb/slektslitteratur?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=4785&sobi2Id=8839
Loosely translated "A Botne family history" by Arne Einarsen, 1968.
Could be some interesting info in there for you...
J
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Wow!,
Thanks again!
I have taken a look at this and there seems to be an amazing amount of information - very little of which I can actually decipher ::). I tried the translater on my computer & it sort of filled in the words like 'and', 'the' and a few other words in English, but the information and descriptions of which book I should be looking at eludes me. I tried putting the word 'Solberg' in the search box but I think it must have been translating each page as it searched - it took ages and then came back to my in Norwegian instead of English >:( So, I'm tearing my hair out trying to translate just to see if there is anything I can find out about the family.)
I keep telling myself to be patient but when you have been looking for eons and finally start getting answers, any obstacle is frustrating. :'(
Anyway - I'll keep trying.
Thanks again - you are a wonder!
Milly.
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Batch 1 from the database:
Antonie Sofie Syvertsdtr Gjøgri
b.1834-1870 Botne, Vestfold *
Married to Olaus Kristensen Solberg
b.1836 Botne, Vestfold *; d.1884 Hof, Vestfold *;
Children:
Søren Christian Solberg
b.1860 Botne, Vestfold *;
Edvard Solberg
b.1870 Botne, Vestfold *;
Ludvig Anton Solberg b.1866 Botne, Vestfold *;
Alfred Gustav Solberg
b.1864 Botne, Vestfold *;
Søren Christian Olausen
b.1859-d.1859 Botne, Vestfold *;
Carl Severin Solberg Olaus.
b.1857 Botne, Vestfold *;
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You have done it again! ;D
There is even another sibling - Edvard - I haven't heard of him before. :)
The second Soren Christian also ? Were they in the habit of naming another child after a sibling who had died?
I am still trying to get my computer to translate the summary of the book on the families in Solberg but not having much success. Any suggestions?
I recently read in the transcript of the Divorce in Australia that Anton had a cousin who was a Captain of a sailing vessel bound for Norway - don't know if that has any bearing on anything but I'm just gathering every little piece of information that I can find at the moment just in case it fits in somewhere. ::)
Thank you once again :D
Milly Mac.
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Hi there, Augusta Frederica SOLBERG d 28/12/1920 at Paihiatua, NZ was my great, great grandmother. She married Johan Olaf Gaarder d 18/1/1922 in October 1874 at Napier, NZ. Would Augusta be a relative of Anton Ludwig Solberg? Thank you :)