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Can anyone point me in the right direction ? I have a copy of marriage of James Bolas and Mary Cond married 22 May 1824. Unable to read the Parish but in the County of Denbigh and Salop.
I am trying to find their parents/family.
The marriage is in the presence of Thomas Cond and Anne Bolas.
The parish looks something like ?alan rubon..
Any help would be much appreciated
Welsh Terrier
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Could it be that one of the parties to the marriage were living at Belan Ruabon?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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This appears to be the marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG4S-PXN
It's in Llansilin.
gnu
Just had a wee look at my copies and it's because it's written Llan Silan ::)
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Well done gnu!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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If only it was always that easy, WR. I think one of my Mates rellies married into the Condes.
I see that we need to check for their parents - will have a look later if no one else has tried. Got to be away now.
gnu
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Trying to locate in 1841/51 censuses but so far not enough info. Could these be their children:
Selattyn
3 Sept 1826 William Bolas s/o James and Mary
14 Sept 1828 Ann Bolas d/o James and Mary (died 13 Jan 1829)
14 Feb 1830 James Bolas s/o James and Mary
(all IGI extracted)
The Bolas family were mainly from Chirk - a William and Ann on the 1841/51 there. I have a possible bpt for a James in 1799 and an Ann in 1806 but not sure yet - Parents were Thomas and Mary of Halton :-\
gnu
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Could James snr have died by 1841?I'm looking at a possible James jnr with mother Mary in Middlesex in 1841.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Not got parents yet but this is very tempting - James seems a wee bit young or he was underestimating his age! Could Mary have died?
1851
45 Gill Street, Mount Pleasant, Liverpool
HO107/2183/91/49
James Bolas, 39, Engine smith, b. Selattyn
Jane, w, 34, b. Liverpool
Mary, d. 14, b. -do-
Elizabeth, d, 12, b. -do-
1841
Eldon Place, Liverpool
HO107/13/7/7
James Bolas, 30(-34), Engine Smith, no
Jane, 25, yes
Mary, 5, yes
Elizh, 2. yes
Elizh Wells, 25, no
gnu
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:(
Born April 1811
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N5SR-574
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Thats a different one.They're in Middlesex again in 1851-HO107/1545/448/6.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Thst looks possible William - she was born Selattyn too (or Slatting as it's written ;D )
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We'll have to wait for the OP!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hello Cousin !
Am I related to your mate ? ( "rellies in the Conde family )?
I am currently on calving duty so will take a closer look at your respnses tommorrow.
William give me clue to "OP" or am I missing something glaringly obvious here ?
Many thanks both for quick reply
Welsh Terrier
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OP just means original poster.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I am trying to connect the Mates family to the Bolas family as the Mates have always been described as ‘cousins’ in my wife’s family with no explanation of why.
My wife remembers Herbert and Dorothy Mates (twins b 1907 lived Chirk Green) from her childhood. It appears that their father Thomas Herbert Mates (b 1873 d 1921 lived in Chirk) married 1901 Lavinia Conde (b1866) both were servants at Chirk Castle.
James Bolas hopefully the one who married Mary Cond would be my wife’s 3rd Great Grandfather
via his son Thomas Bolas (b1825) married 1846 Ann Gibson (b1821 Bethnal Green Middlesex) The wedding entry states father James Bolas deceased.
Via his daughter Jane Happy Bolas (b1852 Bethnal Green Middlesex) married 1872 Henry George Illingworth (b1850)
Henry George Illingworth is my wife’s Great Grandfather
So all I need to do is link Lavinia Conde with Mary Cond and we will know why the Mates are ‘cousins’ to my wife.
Any ideas would be appreciated and I would love a scan of Thomas and Mary’s marriage certificate if possible please
Richard
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Hi Richard
Welcome to Rootschat.
I'm descended from Thomas Herbert's sister so I'm only related to Lavinia Condie by marriage and I've not investigated her line very thoroughly. However, I do have some small mementos of the family, as their son, Herbert, was not only my 1st cousin, once removed, but also my godfather. Lavinia was always referred to as Aunty Vinny by my father.
I know that Lavinia Condie's parents were Edward and Caroline. Edward was a Collier. She was born May 1st 1865, Chirk Green
They are living Chirk Green in 1871 - RG10/2784/48/12
Edward Condie, 45 , collier, b. Selattyn
Caroline, wife, 46
Thomas, s, 16, collier
Edward. s, 14, collier
Charles, s, 12, collier
Joseph, s, 10
Vinia, d, 6
William Williams, lodger, 25, collier
All but Edward were born Chirk.
Given that Edward was born Selattyn as well as Mary, it would be worth you checking to see if there was a relationship.
Could I also add a word of caution ~ the three children (Caroline, Herbert and Dorothy) referred to everyone in Chirk as 'cousin' or 'cuz', whether they were related to them or not, so that your wife's connection might be of this order.
gnu
added - have checked my records and note that Edward Cond/ie and Caroline Williams married in Ruabon, Jan 30th 1853. Another relative of ours, Seth Twigg*, was a witness. Edward's father was Thomas Cond/ie, a shoemaker.
This looks like Edward's baptism:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQ58-P38
and his parents' marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJHR-7PG
1841 Census
Selattyn
HO107/916/5/33/7
Thomas Cond, 40. shoemaker
Elinor, 40
Edward, 10
William, 10
Thomas, 10
Richard, 5
Joseph, 2
All b. Shropshire
* Seth Twigg was the son of Benjamin Twigg and Ann Mates (nee Cash). Ann was previously married to Thomas Mates, who died at Black Park Colliery in the 1820s. Aged 25. Thomas and Ann were my 3 x great grandparents.
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Goodness
I've just found Edward Condie on the 1851 census in Chirk:
HO107/1993/810/20
Benjamin Twigg, 55, Engineer, b, Cannock
Ann, w, 55
Eunice, d, 14
Mary, d, 12
Edward Conde, visitor, 22, coal miner, b. Selattyn
Others b. Chirk
and just discovered that Edward's wife Caroline Williams' father, Walter, was married to Ann Twigg/Mates/Cash's sister Martha - the web tightens -
So -
Lavinia Condie m Thomas Herbert Mates
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Edward Condie & Caroline Williams
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Walter Williams & Martha Cash (sister of Ann who married 1. Thomas Mates 2. Benjamin Twigg)
Ann and Thomas Mates were the great grandparents of Thomas Herbert Mates. If I've worked it out correctly, Lavinia and Thomas were therefore 2nd cousins, once removed ;D
Mates Line:
Thomas Mates m. Ann Cash
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James Mates m Elizabeth Stokes
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Thomas Mates m. Ellen Jones
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Thomas Herbert Mates
Condie Line:
Walter Williams m Martha Cash
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Caroline Williams m. Edward Condie
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Lavinia Condie
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Hello gnu
My name is Trish White, wife of Richard to whom you have been exchanging notes about Herbert Mates. Thanks for the information it has been quite helpful.
My mother and her sister were sent to Chirk during the war by my grandparents as they had cousins up there. They stayed with the Masons in Chirk, the Keddies in Halton and possibly Herbert and Dorothy Mates in Chirk. It seems a strange place to go if there was no family in the area.
After the war my mother returned to London where as her sister Irene ( Rene ) Illingwoth married Geoffrey Jackson and spent the rest of her life in Gobowen. She worked for 20 plus years at Oswestry School as their secretary and was known by one and all as Jacko.
My mother was convinced that we were distantly related to Herbert and Dorothy through either the Bolas, Conde or Mates marriage way back .
I remember as a child we visited my aunt on a regular basis and also called in on Herbert and Dorothy at 4 Stone Cottages Chirk, He also came to London occasionally to visit us- hence my belief in a loose family connection. I can also remember he called every one including my mother as cuz which I thought strange. He took myself and my brother around Chirk and the surrounding areas when my grandmother died ( also living with my aunt in Gobowen) in the mid sixties including showing us the mine where he had worked – Black Park I believe. I can remember meeting ' Seth' who was also a cousin !!
I cannot not remember Carrie who died earlier, but did meet her fiancé Les who appeared to be a lodger afterwards with Herbert and Dorothy. I believe that Dorothy was a nurse.
After my own mother died in 1981 we lost touch and I believe that they both died and would be interested in any information that you have on them as family or not they were always very good to us and especially to my mother who had been widowed when myself and my brother were young.
It would make life very easy for me if Thomas Conde born around 1799 and grandfather of Lavinia Conde was the sibling of Mary Cond ( conde?) born around 1806 who married James Bolas in 1824. If only I could prove that the Thomas Cond who was a witness at their wedding was the Thomas Cond born in 1799.
Thanks for your time Trish White
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Unfortunately this is not a will, but we have a Thomas Bolas inkeeper and his relict Mary.
Bolas, Thomas, Chirk, Denbigh
Thomas Bolas : bond, 1827
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/931883
This is a will , with names of various children, including a James .
Bolas, William, Halton, Chirk, Denbigh, Yeoman
William Bolas : will, 1825
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/179420
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The Bond and the Will are fantastic and make great reading. Does anybody know how I can download them?
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I don`t think that`s possible , you have to buy a digital or paper copy .
http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en
There are only 4 Bolas names on the wills section.
Just search the name , nothing else.
These may be linked.
Bolas, Anne, Wrexham, Denbigh
Anne Bolas : bond, 1806
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/86493
Bolas, Thomas, Wrexham, Denbigh, Yeoman
Thomas Bolas : will, 1806.
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/407239
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http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon
Change page view to English.
On LH side check Family History.
There is a "Search for" list.
Select Marriage Bonds. Make sure you select SAVE,
Now search for Bolas, there are 11 results,
They may be of use .
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Thank you for the Bonds and Wills link
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Unfortunately this is not a will, but we have a Thomas Bolas inkeeper and his relict Mary.
Bolas, Thomas, Chirk, Denbigh
Thomas Bolas : bond, 1827
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/931883
This is a will , with names of various children, including a James .
Bolas, William, Halton, Chirk, Denbigh, Yeoman
William Bolas : will, 1825
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/179420
Fascinating links Wilcoxon ;D
James and Mary Bolas - as in the original post - are my husband's 4* great grandparents. We have masses of info on son William and family though haven't been able to get further back than James and Mary.
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I'm back on the Bolas line and think I have made a mistake somewhere :-\ Too many with the same name and the Middlesex mystery doesn't help. If anyone fancies a look, I'd be really grateful.
William BOLAS (1826-1901) and Naomi JONES (1823-1879) were my husband's 3rd great grandparents. I am happy with the family from there down, though William says he was born in Selattyn, or Chirk or Oswestry and has half a dozen different occupations :) It is his parents, who I believed to be James BOLAS and Mary COND, that I'm now wondering about.
I had James BOLAS and Mary COND marrying in Selattyn on 22 May 1824. They had 5 or 6 children (as far as I've found), though note the change of abode and occupation for Ann... then back again with James before moving to Middlesex.
Thomas, baptised in Selattyn on 25 Sep 1825, James a farmer, of Paradwys
William, baptised in Selattyn on 3 Sep 1826, James a farmer, of Paradwys
Ann, baptised in Selattyn on 14 Sep 1828, James a publican, of Oswestry
James, baptised in Selattyn on 14 Feb 1830, James a farmer, of Paradwys
Mary Ann, no baptism found, but living with her widowed mother Mary in 1841 and 1851 in St Mary, Whitechapel
and possibly Charles, baptised in St Mary, Whitechapel, Middlesex on 8 Jul 1836, James a labourer, of Baker's Row [no death / burial yet found but not with mother Mary in 1841]
I can't find deaths / burials in Middlesex for either James senior or Mary but there is one for James in Chirk in 1837 (right age, 38), so I'm wondering if he returned to the area. According to the death cert (3 Nov 1837, burial in Chirk on 8 Nov), he was a 'late innkeeper', informant his brother William of Cross Keys, Chirk, also an innkeeper.
James (1851, Spitalfields) and Mary Ann's (1852, Bethnal Green) marriages list father James as a victualler but William's (in Chirk on 13 April 1846 and in Wrexham on 16 Aug 1879) say he was a farmer.
I have also received the death cert for Mary Bolas, (died 7 Jan 1839, buried 14 Aug), aged 79, who was the widow of Thomas, innkeeper. This ties in with the bond document Wilcoxon found earlier as regards Thomas and Mary, but were they James' parents :-\
I am now totally confused - was James a farmer or an innkeeper / victualler? Could he have been both? Were there two James and Mary Bolases...
Apologies for the confusing post; I had hoped to keep it simple but the (same) names don't help. If anyone can make sense of it that would be great, thanks :)
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I have found the burial for Charles Bolas - his baptism 9/7/1836 Whitechapel states he was born 30 October which must have been 1835. Home address given as Bakers Row.
Have found a burial for Charles Boles aged 10 months buried 18/9/1836 at Mile End New Town Independent - home address is Bakers Row, Whitechapel.
Annette
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Possible death entry for Mary Bolas in London:
Mary Bolar died 1860 Whitechapel - GRO index states she was aged 63.
Annette
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In answer to your question 'Farmer' or 'Victualler', could he have been both? Yes, he could. I did a quick check on FindMyPast's 1851 census only searching on occupation 'Farmer and Victualler' and got 6 results. I guess they had to augment their income when times were hard.
Annette
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Annette, that is fantastic, thanks so much, esp the possible death of Mary who has been a puzzle for some years. I had tried Bolas, Bolus, Bollass, Boles (all family variations seen before) but not thought of Bolar. The age fits too (great new facility on the GRO). I'll send for the death cert now (specifying James as husband).
I only found Charles last night while typing up my query and checking the facts but the burial fits too, thanks.
While i realise people often had to move to find work, i find it hard to imagine that the family moved from shropshire to London in the 1830s.
Thanks again, Deirdre
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Lucky that the death is on the GRO website as even with the details it's not coming up on either Ancestry or FindMyPast ::)
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Whatever the family had hoped for in London obviously didn't come to pass since James was only a 'labourer' when son Charles baptised in 1836 and widow Mary was 'Laundress' in 1841 and 'Charwoman' in 1851.
It's quite possible that James became ill in London and was sent back to his parish of origin i.e. Chirk where he subsequently died. Or that when he became ill he wanted to die 'back home' and went of his own accord. Who can say.
Annette
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James died of consumption so as you say, he was presumably sent (or chose to) return home. The other 2 surviving children both married in London.
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Couldn't the Thomas Bolas bp.25/9/1825 Selattyn be the Thomas Bolas who married Ann Gibbons 12/7/1846 St. Anne, Limehouse? A tree on ancestry has the certificate and it shows his father as 'James Bolas, Dead'.
Census shows his birthplace in Shropshire with places beginning with 'S' which could be some kind of corruption of 'Selattyn'.
I note that dau. Ann bp.1828 was bur.13/1/1829.
Annette
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Deirdre
There are some entries for both BOLAS and COND on my website if you'd like to take a look.
Hope something there might help.
Jill Rose
www.clwydsurnames.org.uk
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Census shows his birthplace in Shropshire with places beginning with 'S' which could be some kind of corruption of 'Selattyn'.
Annette
Maybe the early part of this thread might be of us. E.G this and around:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=592198.msg4427972#msg4427972
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Thanks Jill, and Gadget, i'll have a look.
Annette - I hadn't found anything on Thomas after his baptism and he wasn't with mother Mary in 1841 or 1851 so I didn't pursue it, but that marriage looks promising thanks. I had a note that Ann was buried in Jan 1829 but she is not in the Shropshire burials on FindMyPast so wasn't sure.
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Ann's death here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=592198.msg4427972#msg4427972
From Selattyn records.
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Just reading through the thread, it looks as if there is a danger of going it around in circles!
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Just reading through the thread, it looks as if there is a danger of going it around in cirlces!
Perhaps i should have started a new one and linked to this one, but as it was relating to the James and Mary in the subject it seemed sensible to continue.
In any event, if the Mary Bolar death found by Annette is mine, then i've got more than i bargained for, and am delighted. The other children (siblings to William) are really only extra info.
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Deirdre
There are some entries for both BOLAS and COND on my website if you'd like to take a look.
Hope something there might help.
Jill Rose
www.clwydsurnames.org.uk
Hi Jill, thanks for the link, really useful site.
At the end of the 4th Bolas cont'd section (starting 490 Chirk) it lists a number of Bolas men under 'Misc Shropshire 1828/29'. Is this from a directory and does that mean William and James were innkeepers at the Malster and the Swan?
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Yes, Deidre, the entries are from Pigot and Co's National Commercial Directory.
The 'Swan' is the name of a public house but 'maltster' is an occupation i.e. preparing the malt for making beer, or I suspect probably making the beer as well!
Jill
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Deidre ~
You said earlier
I have also received the death cert for Mary Bolas, (died 7 Jan 1839, buried 14 Aug), aged 79, who was the widow of Thomas, innkeeper. This ties in with the bond document Wilcoxon found earlier as regards Thomas and Mary, but were they James' parents
You also said that a brother, William was the informant on James death. This might be evidence that Thomas and Mary were the parents:
William Bolas,bpt 21 Jan 1798, Chirk s of Thomas and Mary of Halton
James Bolas b. 13 Sept 1799, Chirk. S of Thomas and Mary of Halton
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Yes, Deidre, the entries are from Pigot and Co's National Commercial Directory.
The 'Swan' is the name of a public house but 'maltster' is an occupation i.e. preparing the malt for making beer, or I suspect probably making the beer as well!
Jill
Thanks Jill, we have a local pub called the Malsters so i just assumed the same 😀
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Thanks Gadget, given what has been found since my long querying post yesterday when i was mainly concerned that 'our' William, born 1826, didn't belong in this part of the extended family, i'm happier now that i do actually have the right family group, albeit a confusing one with occupations and places.
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William, James's brother is on the Chirk Census in 1841 - HO107/1399/3/6/16 - you may have seen him. Aged 40 and down as Innkeeper. I think the page was a mixture of people. It has a footnote that it was added! (my ancestors are on the same page).
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Yes thanks Gadget, i have that entry. William died in 1846 aged 48.
Amazing to hear that you have ancestors on the same single page.
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To add, particularly for Annette.... i have been in touch with Tower Hamlets registrars who confirm that some of the details i gave to them match some of the info on the 1860 death certificate so i've ordered a copy, but it looks very likely that Annette has found Mary 😀🎉
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I'm back on the Bolas line and think I have made a mistake somewhere :-\ Too many with the same name and the Middlesex mystery doesn't help. If anyone fancies a look, I'd be really grateful.
William BOLAS (1826-1901) and Naomi JONES (1823-1879) were my husband's 3rd great grandparents. I am happy with the family from there down, It is his parents, who I believed to be James BOLAS and Mary COND, that I'm now wondering about.
I had James BOLAS and Mary COND marrying in Selattyn on 22 May 1824. I can't find deaths / burials in Middlesex for either James senior or Mary but there is one for James in Chirk in 1837 (right age, 38), so I'm wondering if he returned to the area. According to the death cert (3 Nov 1837, burial in Chirk on 8 Nov), he was a 'late innkeeper', informant his brother William of Cross Keys, Chirk, also an innkeeper.
This isn`t much help with the Bolas line, but looks like Mary Conde`s father.
The NLW website is playing up at the moment, it`s very slow.
I have managed to pick these details out.
http://hdl.handle.net/10107/109806
Cond, William, Mardy, Selatyn, Salop, Shoemaker
Will 1839 died May 1839.
He had a lot of land and property
William Conde shoemaker of Selattyn
He has eldest son William
Youngest son John
Son Thomas Conde
Daughter MARY BOLAS
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That's fantastic, thanks wilcoxon, i'll look at that tonight (only on my phone at the moment).
Updated to add: forgot i had my ipad with me ::). Great find, and easy to read, thanks. Wonder how much a shilling is worth now? And how come a shoemaker had so much land and property ???
And added.... a shilling from 1839 is just under £4 now using the retail price index, or £5.29 using gdp deflator. Doesn't sound a lot but i guess it needs to be relative to income at the time.
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http://hdl.handle.net/10107/677748
This is worth looking at, he has links to Selattyn
Conde, John, Pen y geulan, Berriw, Montgomery, Gardener
Date 1854.
The site is still very slow loading after the first page.
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Brilliant, thanks Wilcoxon, John appears to be the youngest son of William, as mentioned in the earlier will. Found him with 5 of his 7 named children in 1851 :)
Can't find William's death or burial though :(
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On looking at the will again, it was written 26 Jan 1836.
The date of death is a bit messy so it might be May 1836, in that case it won`t be registered.
It will have to be a search in parish registers. Family Search doesn't seem to have them online.
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29th November 1853 Berriew. Aged 52.
(John not William)
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29th November 1853 Berriew. Aged 52.
I must be looking for the wrong William, I thought Deidre was asking about the one with the will proved 1839.
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I gave John's burial -thought you were querying date of will.
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Brilliant, thanks Wilcoxon, John appears to be the youngest son of William, as mentioned in the earlier will. Found him with 5 of his 7 named children in 1851 :)
Can't find William's death or burial though :(
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don't see any entries for William around that time.
Th last will you mentioned was John's - I assumed that was the will you were referring to.
You said:
On looking at the will again, it was written 26 Jan 1836.
The date of death is a bit messy so it might be May 1836, in that case it won`t be registered.
It will have to be a search in parish registers. Family Search doesn't seem to have them online.
These are my distant relatives too but haven't looked at them for ages ::)
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I've searched the Denbighshire, Shropshire and Montgoemryshire burials 1830-1840 and nothing showing for William and nothing in my earlier notes
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His will says he died May 1838 as far as I can make out as it's smudged. This from an inner page - Testator died in the month of May 1838
see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=370538.0;attach=455785;image
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It was William's death I was looking for - found John's in Berriew thanks.
The date is smudged and I thought the 1838 had been changed to 1839 but in any event, I can't find William on the GRO site or FreeBMD. Tried a variety of spellings ::)
FindMyPast has the Selattyn register - there's a gap from 1812 to 1838 burials - but nothing there for 1838 to 1840 (amazing register, gives dates of birth, death, abode, relationship and, in many cases, cause of death). A general search of Shropshire burials doesn't bring it up either.
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The date is smudged and I thought the 1838 had been changed to 1839
The will was proved in April 1839 so he couldn't have died in May 1839.
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The will was proved in April 1839 so he couldn't have died in May 1839.
I saw that it does look like the 8 has been written over to a 9 so checked anyway.....
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All we know is that he died sometime between Jan 1836, when the will was signed and April 1839, when the will was proved. As it is recorded that he died May 183?, it must have been May, 1836, 1837 or 1838.
I'm related via his son, Thomas, the shoemaker's son, Edward.
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Looks like it must have been May 1836 or 1837 then (though if the year is wrong maybe the month is too) so before registration and sadly missing from the burial register 🙁
My husband is descended from William's daughter Mary who married James Bolas, their son William who married Naomi Jones (she was killed by a train in May 1879 taking a shortcut home across the Cefn viaduct) and their daughter Mary Hannah....
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Unrelated to the actual topic but I've just discovered a newspaper article about Naomi Bolas - see previous post - imprisoned for 4 months with hard labour in Jan 1867 for stealing £43 in gold :o
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That viaduct is pretty high!
Here's a photo that I've found of Edward Conde's granddaughter:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=370538.0;attach=455807;image
My sister had it and sent a scan to me a good while ago.
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Thanks for the photo, have very few!
Never actually seen the viaduct but have seen pictures. The newspaper story is pretty graphic - cut to shreds, collected body parts scattered along the track 🙁 - one of very few articles i've found on any of our family.
Good to hear we are related, if distantly and only by marriage.
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Unrelated to the actual topic but I've just discovered a newspaper article about Naomi Bolas - see previous post - imprisoned for 4 months with hard labour in Jan 1867 for stealing £43 in gold :o
I`d love to see that, but can`t find it on Welsh Newspapers. Would she have been a Jones or a Bolas then ?
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Bolas, found it on FindMyPast. Rushing out now but will pm you link later if you like.
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Bolas, found it on FindMyPast. Rushing out now but will pm you link later if you like.
I don`t have FindMyPast , but if you tell me which paper it`s in I might find it.
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Shrewsbury Chronicle of 11 Jan 1867.
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Shrewsbury Chronicle of 11 Jan 1867.
Typical, not on the site I have, never mind .
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To add, particularly for Annette.... i have been in touch with Tower Hamlets registrars who confirm that some of the details i gave to them match some of the info on the 1860 death certificate so i've ordered a copy, but it looks very likely that Annette has found Mary 😀🎉
Just to say that I've finally had the death certificate and it certainly appears to be Mary..... aged 63, of 12 Vine Court (she was in 18 Vine Court in 1851 and no number Vine Court in 1841), widow of James Bolas, farmer. Only query is the informant, an Ann Bolas, as I was expecting one of her sons Thomas or James, or daughter Mary Ann Saunders, but I will look for Ann now. Edited to add: found Ann, wife of Thomas :-[
Thanks again Annette :)
Can't find her burial sadly, there appears to be a gap just when I need it ::)