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John Arnold
Birth:1812 Kent, England
John is in these census's.....
1851 Age: 39
1871 Age: 59
1881 Age: 69
1881 Age: 69 Address: (Grocers Shop) High St
1891 Age: 79
1901 Age: 89
Death...
1901 Oct Age: 89 Maidstone, Kent, England
Wife: Mercey
1815 –
Children:
Alfred Arnold 1838 –
John Arnold 1838 –
Edwin Arnold 1846 –
Elizabeth Arnold 1856 –
Ester Arnold 1863 –
Elijah Arnold 1865 –
Polly Arnold 1872 –
I DONT HAVE ANY PARENTS FOR JOHN ARNOLD, IF YOU HAVE ANY INFO ON THESE PEOPLE I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW. THANK YOU! :)
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There's mor than that in census entries.
What birthplace is given for each entry?
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Hi all 1841 gives:-
John 30
Mercer 25
John 3
Alfred 3
Residing at Rip Street, Chislet, Kent
Census ref HO107/465/ 14/8/ 9
Keyboard86
All born Kent
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1841 is sparse with geographical info, but what do the others give?
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Hello Tanya
We need more information form the census returns to be able to help you.
each census and it page has a unique reference
1841 HO107 piece
1851 HO107 piece / folio / page
1861 RG9 piece / folio / page
1871 RG10 piece / folio / page
1881 RG11 piece / folio / page
1891 RG12 piece / folio / page
1901 RG13 piece / folio / page
!911 You may post details RG14 or the address
As a researcher it is useful to have the reference in case you need to refer to it at a later date!
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Hi all from 1881 we have
John Arnold 69 occ Town Carter b Stonner, Kent
Mercy 66 b Chislet Kent
Mercy 20 Grand child b Chatham Kent
Henry Sharp 22 Visitor b Barking Essex
Census ref RG11/896/56/6
Keyboard86
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And in 1871
John Arnold 58
Mercey 56
John 11 Grandson
Mercey 10 Grandaughter
Residing at Jenkins Dale Caravan, Chatham
Census Ref RG10/910/136/44
Keyboard86
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And in 1871
John Arnold 58
Mercey 56
John 11 Grandson
Mercey 10 Grandaughter
Residing at Jenkins Dale Caravan, Chatham
Census Ref RG10/910/136/44
Keyboard86
Living next door were:-
john Arnold 33
Sofey 33
James 12
Mary A 9
Esther 5
William 2
Alexis 0
In 1861 we have a possible:-
John Arnold 22 b Chilhurst Sussex
Maria Sophia 22 b Plumpstead Kent
James 2 b Hornchurch Essex
John 1 b Stroud, Kent
Residing Caravan, Tyne Green, Elesenham
RG09/808/37/20
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Hi all from 1881 we have
John Arnold 69 occ Town Carter b Stonner, Kent
Mercy 66 b Chislet Kent
Mercy 20 Grand child b Chatham Kent
Henry Sharp 22 Visitor b Barking Essex
Census ref RG11/896/56/6
Keyboard86
Baptism Mercy Huckstep 19th March 1815 Chislett Father Stephen Mother Ann
Marriage Mercy Huckstep to John Arnold 29th November 1834 Margate,.Kent
Keyboard86
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Hi there. My Nan, Annie Pickett is an ancestor of John Picot of Jersey. You cannot go further back due to the handed down belief that our ancestors were from Lyon France.
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Hi'Have you tried looking at Ireland as there are references to Pickett there also if it's any help to you.
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Hi there. My Nan, Annie Pickett is an ancestor of John Picot of Jersey. You cannot go further back due to the handed down belief that our ancestors were from Lyon France.
Hey, Annie Pickett is my great grandmother. I'm the granddaughter of Annie's son Thomas George Arnold. I don't know much about this side of the family as I never got to meet my granddad as he died young. I only know what I have found online :)
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Hi, I am new to this site and am also looking for John Arnold and descendants. Is it true that John's wife Mercy died in the county lunatic asylum in Barming, Maidstone?
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Hi,
I can confirm that Mercy Arnold died 26 Jan 1890 at the County Asylum, Maidstone, Kent from "degeneration of the heart after several years". Age 74. Informant D. Johnston Jones M.D acting Superintendant for the Asylum. Mercy was my 4 x Great Grandmother.
Her Husband John Arnold died 27 Aug 1884 at 3 Cage Lane, Chatham, Kent from "Brain Softening" age 73. Informant Granddaughter M. Pickett (Eastwood) same abode.
John was a Town Carter-does anyone know exactly what type of work this entailed and what sort of company he would have worked for please?
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Hi Sa11525,
For some reason it won't let me send a personal message to you. Anyway, I am still looking for the families of John and Mercy Arnold, I would like to find their parents, especially John's as he is in my line. One person I am also trying to find out more about is their grandson Edwin Arnold born 1871 at Chatham and his wife Elizabeth (possibly Merchant or Merchant Barnes). I have not found a death for Edwin yet. Elizabeth had about 13 children with different fathers as well as Edwin and did not marry them all. A lot of the children she put into care and they ended up in Canada. It is all very confusing.
Any help or info that we can swap would be great.
Regards
:)
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Hi Tanya
My great-grandmother was Elizabeth (Betsy) Arnold who married William Ackleton. I have also been trying to find out more about this side of the family - do you have any family photos of the Arnold family from around that time as I would love to see these.
Kind regards and Happy Christmas
Waynus :)
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Hi waynus james.
We have a family connection with Elizabeth Eastwood having married William Henry Ackleton. Elizabeth aka Betsy was the Daughter of Frances Eastwood but raised by Alfred Arnold. How far back are you with Alfred`s line? I am currently in the midst of writing up Frances Eastwood and Alfred`s stories/family lines and always eager to learn more.
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Hi Sal
Thanks for this - we have only just started researching this side of the family (more the Ackleton line rather than the Arnold line) and you have now really confused us!! Can you let me know the family connection with Frances Eastwood - was she married to Alfred Arnold?? We have Betsy's parents as John and Mercy Arnold - Alfred was her much older brother (twin to John) - did he raise her instead of her parents? In 1881 Betsy has her brother Elijah and sisters Polly and Esther living with her - was she raising these instead of her parents (see above that Mercy died in an asylum) - do you have any information about this. Off on holiday for a couple of weeks but when we are back will start looking on the census for some answers.
Please keep in touch - it is great to compare notes.
Kind regards
Waynus
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Hi,
Enjoy your holiday.
Frances Eastwood was not married to Alfred Arnold. They were together as a couple, from the 1861 census taken for Frances and at the latest 1863 when their Daughter Esther Arnold was conceived and remained together up until they both died in Chatham, Kent at the Ash Tree Lane Gypsy Camp. Frances 1916. Alfred 1927.
Betsy--was born Betsy Eastwood 6 March 1858 at the Wanderings, Kingston, Surrey--her parents were Frances Eastwood & Frank Page. Frances first born child.
Mercy Eastwood was Frances second born-Father unknown-23 Sep 1860 Old Place Farm, Sandhurst, Kent.
Alfred Arnold was the step-father to both girls and the Arnold children that he and Frances had together were their half-siblings.
In the 1861 census taken at Leigh, Kent Frances, Elizabeth & Mercy are living with her parents George & Phoebe Eastwood. Frances was age 21 and single, surnames nominated for all 3 was Eastwood.
In the 1881 census Elijah and Polly Arnold are visiting Betsy and William--Alfred & Frances were at the Penenden Heath Gypsy Camp in Boxley, Kent at that time with Betsy and William Ackleton`s daughter Mercy, age 3, visiting them, its really not that far from where they were living in Chatham. Esther Arnold is their Sister and could have been living with Betsy & William.
John Arnold and Mercy Huckstep are the parents of Alfred. Alfred is not a twin.
Alfred was christened (CR/) 22 March 1840 and although I have not yet pinned down his birth GRO I do believe that he was also born in 1840, probably the Canterbury area, because Mercy and John CR/ their children quite soon after they were born. The problem with finding his B/GRO is that there are too many same named boys within a 3 year plus or minus age group to choose from.
His known Brothers were;
William CR/ 13 March 1836 St. John the Baptist, Margate, Kent.
John born 24 Jan 1838 at Nethergong, Chislet, Kent. CR/ 25 Feb 1838 Chislet.
Edwin born 23 Feb 1842 Chislet. CR/ 25 Feb 1838 Chislet.
I hope this helps you in sorting out who belongs to who.
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thank you so much for this I will be in touch soon happy new year to you.
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Hi,
Bit of a slip up there; Alfred was christened in Chislet and Edwin was christened in 1842.
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Would be interested in Arnold chatham have lots of info
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hello,i am trying to fathom out mary ann hedges and mary sophia. it seems john arnold who lived in chatham is with these women,1881 and 1891 census shows john and mary ann,1861/71 and 1901 census says mary sophia with john, also mary ann was born in romford in 1881 in 91 plumstead,sophia was born in plumstead,some people say they are the same people,when i go to match the children on ancestry even they were born in different places .i do know that there were and still are 2 arnold families in chatham that i dont think are actually related can any one clear this up please thanks
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John and Sophia were my great great great grandparents they had my grandad Alf they thrived at Chatham hill he had many brothers fans sisters I can email them to you
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A lot of these did not church and had many partners and even more kids , my mum did not allow the arnold names .
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My John born 1838 and Mary Ann 1837 I think from irland
Had James 1860 romford
John 1861 Chatham
Mary 1862
Esther 1864
William 1867
Selina 1873
Eliza 1874
Henry 1875
Eliza could be Elizabeth 1876
Sophia 1878
Elizabeth 1880
Young John married louisa and had Albert Mary and Alf my grandad
Can't find a link to elijah
But a Elizabeth married a hook
Have lots of info can match them up
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I have eligih age 6 in the work house with Sarah arnold age 91 1871 census I think she may have been a relative
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1891 census, Travelling Van, Beacon Road, Chatham
RG12, piece 665, folio 5, page 1
John Arnold, Age 53, Head, Born Canterbury, Kent
Mary Ann, 53
Selina Arnold, 20
Henry Arnold, 19
Eliza Arnold, 15
Sophia Arnold, 9
Alfred Arnold, 8
Elizabeth Arnold, 7 im sure there must be different ones i also have this .....
Name Age
John Arnold 33
Sofey Arnold 33
James Arnold 12
Mary A Arnold 9
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john arnold mercy huckstep marriage on ancestry fits ,but john arnold 1838 i have found in chatham with mary ann hedges and mary sophia im puzzled at this,also there are 2 different families in medway both arnolds
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Hey, The Arnold family you speak of are my family so i will try and clarify for you.
John Arnold 1809 marries Mercy Huckstep 1813, they have a son John Arnold 1838 who marries Sophia Maria Hedges 1843.
There are so many Arnolds, twists and turns it can all get a little confusing.
Serra