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I'm looking for information on
Thomas Alfred knight born abt 1897 England who married Lottie Bradshaw
I believe he was a minister
I think he died Bedford Ohio
I'm also interested in his parents
Edward Knight and Thurza
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What information do you have on this family so far? Depending on the time frame of his arrival in the US, you may be able to find him on census records on www.familysearch.org, which also has some Ohio death records.
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Can see a marriage record Cuyahoga County. Ohio
Mr Thomas Knight born about 1897 and aged 25 years - Resides:- Bedford. Ohio. Occuppation:- Machinist. Father Edwrad Knight and Mother Therza Moore married Miss Myrtle Held born 1888 and aged 34 years. Resides 3113 Walton Avenue. Cleveland.
Marriage Date: 20 Nov 1922
Father's Name: Jacob Held (thats the spelling on the doc) and Mother's Name: Ellen C Sefried
Sandra
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Thomas in 1930 with wife and mother-in-law (immigration 1911 - occupation:- carpenter - buildings.)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4ST-X4S
Sandra
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All I know so far is Thurza moore and Edward knight went to Canada (that's what I was told by a family member)
I don't know any travel dates
I went on family search and found their son Thomas knight
That's about all the info I know so far
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Thanks Sandra for that info xx
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Look through here for possible obituaries. It is a link from the Cleveland Public Library, their necrology file.
http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/Authorize?sessionid=0&next=/html/obit.html&dbchoice=1:dbname=necr&bad=html/authofail.html&style=noframe
Thurza and Edward are listed
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Thursa Knight's death certificate is on www.familysearch.org as is Edward Knight's.
There is a listing for Thomas Alfred Knight on www.familysearch.org: North Carolina Deaths
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGSK-CJS
seems to have died in North Carolina, but was buried in Bedford, Cuyahoga, Ohio
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thanks for that link Genealiza, I have found something on there
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http://www-catalog.cpl.org/CLENIX
obituary for Thomas in The Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio)
KNIGHT, THOMAS : Husband of late Lottie P Bradshaw (Obit.).
Plain Dealer 14 Mar, 1979, pg. 14 sec. B
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thank you so much ;)
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Your welcome. Glad to have been able to help.
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Thomas Knight is the informant on the death certificate of Helen Held (mother-in-law) in 1943. His residence is Macedonia, Summit, Ohio
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was Thomas knight married twice.....Myrtle Held and lottie Bradshaw?
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Thomas and Myrtle (Sandra found their marriage record for 1922) Held are living with her mother in the 1930 census.
In 1920 census, Myrtle and Helen are living together and Helen is divorced from Jacob Held. There is a death certificate for a Jacob Held, not 100% sure it's the right one, but he dies in 1916 and is a divorced painter.
Myrtle is a boarder in the home of a George A Vocke in the 1910 census. She is a private music teacher, aged 21, and single. I haven't found Helen Held in the 1910 census yet.
Also, a death or divorce of Myrtle Held Knight needs to be found and a marriage to Lottie Bradshaw found.
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(No date of death but the year was 1957 - Knight, Myrtle (nee Held), beloved wife of Thomas, passed away Monday, late residence, 5520 Garden St., Maple Heights ? Friends may call at the Danald B. Johnson Funeral Home, 521. Broadway, Bedford, until noon Thursday. Services at the Four Square Church, 16811 Broadway. Maple Heights, Thursday, Nov. 7, 1957, at 2 p. m.
Interesting burial - Burke County North Carolina Cemeteries ???
Bradshaw, Lottie M. Pruette (b. 25 Jun 1902 - d. 14 Sep 1986)
Wife of W. Franklin
http://cemeterycensus.com/nc/burk/cem263.htm
Sandra
Added :-
Born on 25 Jun 1902 to Amos Pruette and Mary Hull. Lottie Mae married William Franklin Bradshaw(1897 - 1951) and had 10 children. Lottie Mae married Thomas Alva Knight.
Hope this link works - http://records.ancestry.com/Lottie_Mae_Pruitt_records.ashx?pid=126432090
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not sure if there are 2 thomas knights
Thomas Alfred and Thomas Alvo...or could Alvo be a nickname for Alfred?
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The 1920 census for the Edward Knight family stated that they immigrated in 1911. Looking on www.ellisisland.org, I found the following:
SS Mauretania
Liverpool to New York (11 Nov 1911 - 17 Nov 1911)
Knight, Edward, 45, b. Bosworth
Thirza, 50, b. Clipston
Tom, 14, b. Berkley
last residence: Leicester, England
contact in country from whence came: son Mr. F B Knight
57 Knighton Church Rd, S. Knighton
final destination: Cleveland, Ohio
going to join son, E Knight.9304 Euclid Ave, Cleveland
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http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Edward Knight married Thirza Moore March quarter 1883
Market Harborough, Vol 7a page 21
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1920 Census: Ohio, Cuyahoga, Bedford Twp
Lamson Road
Knight, Edward, head, owns home free, male, white, 54,
married, immigrated 1911, alien, can read, write,
b. ENG, parents b. ENG, spks English, laborer,
foundry, worker
Thurza, wife, female, white, 58, married, immigrated
1911, alien, can read, write, b. ENG, parents b.
ENG, spks English
Tom, son, male, white, 22, single, immigrated 1911,
un (unknown?), can read, write, b. ENG, parents
b. ENG, laborer, foundry, worker
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1930 Census: Ohio, Cuyahoga, Bedford Village
44 Cresswell
Knight, Thomas, owns home, $3000, male, white, 32, married,
first married at age 25, can read, write, b. ENG,
parents b. ENG, immigrated 1911, first papers,
spks English, carpenter, buildings
Myrtle, wife, female, white, 39, married, first at age 32,
can read, write, b. OH, GER, OH, spks English
Held, Helen, mother-in-law, female, white, 76, widow, can read,
write, b. OH, GER, GER, spks English
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www.familysearch.org
Ohio, Deaths, 1908-1953
Carrie Johnson, b. 1888 England
d. 18 Mar 1941
parents: Edward Knight
Thurza Moore
spouse: Elvin L Johnson
place of death: Bedford, Cuyahoga, Ohio
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Edward Knight, b. 20 Mar 1886 England
d. 31 July 1953
parents: Edward Knight
Thurza Moore
spouse: Bertha
place of death: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio
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Thank you so much Genealiza, they are the right people I'm looking for ;)
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I haven't been able to find Edward and Thirza/Thurza in the 1930 census. Maybe they were in Canada between 1920+, through 1930, up to before 1938, when Edward died in Ohio.
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I've been trying to search for anything on Rev Thomas Knight
but can't find anything....his church etc
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Are you interested in Thomas' siblings?
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Yes, any of them :)
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There is a City Directory entry for Edwin & Thurza in 1929 Bedford, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Edwin (Thurza) lab h 50 Cresswell Ave.
also
Thos ( Myrtle) carp h 44 Cresswell Ave.
Is this the son ? - Edward Knight Jnr (Bertha) driver h 150 Greencroft Road.
Marjorie Knight - student h 150 Greencroft Road.
Sandra
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I've sent a personal message.
Edward and wife Bertha are on Ellis Island coming back from a trip to visit her mother. I believe it was in 1914.
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Thanks Sandra x
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I replied :)
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~officer/pastors.html
Listing of Cleveland area churches and pastors, but I don't see Thomas listed. Maybe it was a later calling.
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I found a dif site with priest/vicar names and couldn't find him either....strange ???
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The Rev Thomas Knight is still evasive.
Edward Knight and Bertha in 1930 Bedford, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Edward Knight 43 Born England. Married at 21 years. Immigrated 1910. NA. Milkman. Dairy.
Bertha Knight 42 Born England. Married at 21 years. Immigrated 1910. AL
Daughter 17 Born Ohio. Not sure if this one is still alive. Details sent by pm just incase.
Daughter 14 Born Ohio.
Sandra
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http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/Authorize?sessionid=0&next=/html/obit.html&dbchoice=1:dbname=necr&bad=html/authofail.html&style=noframe
Obituary of sister Carrie Johnson:
Name: Johnson, Carrie
Date: Mar 21 1941
Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #042.
Johnson: Carrie, beloved wife of Elvin L. Johnson, daughter of Mrs. Thurza Knight and the late Edward, sister of Frank, Edward and Rev. Thomas Knight, Tuesday, March 18. Services Friday, March 21, from the Gospel Tabernacle, E. Grace st., Bedford
It appears that Thomas had become a Reverand by 1941.
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Thanks ;)
I wonder if Thomas took the service himself?
Gospel Tabernacle, E. Grace st., Bedford....maybe this is where he did surmons.
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There seems to be another sibling--Frank, mentioned in Carrie's obituary. He seems to be Frank Bryan Knight, b. March quarter 1884, Bosworth. I don't have access to the UK censuses, but he seems to be in the same area as Edward and Thirza for the 1901 and 1911 census. He may have married either Ellen Katherine Sanders, or Alice Sheen, in the March quarter of 1909. You might look them up and see what kind of family profile is developed.
http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/Authorize?sessionid=0&next=/html/obit.html&dbchoice=1:dbname=necr&bad=html/authofail.html&style=noframe
Obituary of Edward Knight (the younger)
Name: Knight, Edward
Date: Aug 1 1958
Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #124.
Knight, Edward, d. July 39, husband of Bertha (nee Hartsorn), father of Mrs. Alma ?????and Mrs. Marjorie ??????, and grandfather, brother of Thomas Knight. (??? may still be alive)
The above obit doesn't list Frank, so he must have died between 1941 and 1958.
Obituary from same source as above:
Name: Knight, Thurza
Date: Oct 23 1949
Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #046.
Notes: Knight, Thurza, d. Oct 20, beloved wife of the late Edward, mother of Frank (deceased), Edward, Mrs. Carrie Johnson (deceased) and Rev. Thomas Knight.
Frank dies between 1941 and 1949.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Deaths Dec 1943
Knight Frank B age, 59 Market Harbrorough vol 7a pg 15
Could this be him? The age is correct and he is in the same area from whence the other family members were registered.
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Wasn't sure yesterday when I sent the second marriage details you whether Alma Knight/Bunn/ Miller had passed on but it seems so.
Miller, Alma - 29 th Jully 1975
Miller. Alma Miller (nee Knight), beloved wife of Robert E., dear mother of ?? and ??. Grandmother. Sister. Private services were held. Memorials in her name are suggested to the Cleveland Area Heart Assn.
Sandra
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thank you both xx
Yes, I think there was a frank and he died...i'll see what I can find
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Frank Bryan Knight was married to Ellen Katherine Sanders March 1909 Hinckley 7a 79
They had a daughter by 1911 - Joyce Thurza Knight born Enderby. Leicestershire. Joyce married Reginald E Adams in 1928 Market Harborough - 7a 42. Joyce Adams died July 1998 Watford. Hertfordshire 5361 b Entry 149
Reginald Ernest died November 1994 aged 86 years - Leicester.
Frank, Ellen and Joyce were living with Edward, Thurza and Tom in New Cottage Stoughton Rd Oadby. Leicestershire, England 1911.
Sandra
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So Enderby must be their last uk address before they emigrated in 1911
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Yes, reply 17 - the 1911 passenger list gave Leicester so that tie's in well.
Sandra
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:o where did I get Enderby from?
you typed
Frank, Ellen and Joyce were living with Edward, Thurza and Tom in New Cottage Stoughton Rd Oadby. Leicestershire, England 1911.
That's Oadby...not Enderby..lol............strange I typed Enderby
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The British Armny Service Record for Frank Bryan Knight. Born about 1884 and aged 31 at enlistment in 1915. Occupaton:- Motorman.
Residence: 179 Knighton Church Road, Leicester
Regimental Number: 106567 - Mechancal Transport,
Sandra
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Enderby is where Joyce the daughter was born. In 1911 they were all at New Cottage Stoughton Rd Oadby. Leicestershire, England.
Sandra
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The cottages on Stoughton Rd were Framework knitter Cottages
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Ellen K Sanders/Knight. Born 1881. Died Q3 1935 - Aged 54 years.
Registration district: Leicester Volume: 7a Page: 244
Daughter of Joseph Bacon Sanders - Born 1842 in Sharnford, Leicestershire, England
died 15 Jan 1918 in Hinckley, Leicestershire.
Ann Saunt - Born 1841 in Sapcote, Leicestershire, England and died 1908 in Hinckley, Leicestershire.
Sandra
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Franks occupation in 1911 was chaffeur (domestic) and his father Edward was farm labourer.
Sandra
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Farm Labourer fits in with the rest of Thurza's family
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www.ellisisland.org
SS Lusitania
Liverpool to NY 7 Jan 1911 to 12 Jan 1911
Knight, Carrie, 21, domestic
Last residence: Little Stretton
going to join cousin: Mrs F. A. Chase
1219 East 112th
Cleveland, Ohio
She was travelling with her brother and his wife, Bertha
Edward states he's going to join cousin, Mrs. W. H. Chase
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from the 1910 and 1920 censuses the cousin appears to be the following:
1910
Warren H Chase, 39, b. OH
Thurza A 34, b. Eng immigrated 1889
Warren H 12
Arthur L 10
Paul B 4
1920
Andrew D b. ~1912
Harold M b. ~1913
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Cuyahoga County Probate Court
Warren H Chase marries Thirza A Moore
Vol 44, pg 296
(July 1896-Jun 1897)
from the 1900 census: Thirza A Chase b. Mar 1875, ENG, immigrated 1889, married 4 yrs, mother of 2 children, 2 children living
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Warren Howard Chase - 1870 - 1929
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lip/
Ann Thurza Chase - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lis/
Burial: Grand View Memorial Park Glendale Los Angeles County California.
Plot: West Mausoleum
Thirza is under Ann in 1930 Pasadena, Los Angeles, California. Wrongly transcribed on
https://www.familysearch.org/ it should show the following children with her - not Robert aged 16 years.
Anna Chase 54 Born England
Harold M Chase 17 Born Ohio (now deceased)
Ruth Chase 9 Born Ohio (now deceased)
Ruth Anne Farquhar [Ruth Anne Chase]
Born 7 Mar 1921 Ohio
Died 16 Apr 1997 San Diego
Mother's Maiden Name was Moore and Father Chase
Harold Murray Chase
Born 17 Dec 1912 Ohio
Died 1 Dec 1982 Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Moore
Andrew Dwight Chase
Born 14 Apr 1911 Ohio
Died 30 Nov 1982 Riverside
Mother's Maiden Name: Moore
Paul Bramwell Chase
Born 24 Aug 1905 Ohio
and Died 3 Mar 1981 Kern.
Arthur Leslie Chase
Born 11 Apr 1901 Ohio
Died 18 Jan 1986 Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Moore
Sandra
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Anna Thurza Chase [Anna Thurza Moore]
Born 8 Mar 1876 Other Country and died 9 Jul 1951 Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name wasHallum - Father's Surname: Moore
Sandra
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Think i'm getting a bit lost here...lol
Warren H Chase marries Thirza A Moore
Vol 44, pg 296
(July 1896-Jun 1897)
from the 1900 census: Thirza A Chase b. Mar 1875, ENG, immigrated 1889, married 4 yrs, mother of 2 children, 2 children living
Who is this Thirza Moore?
My Thirza immigrated 1911
Think I need to scroll back and try to fit all this in together
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This Thirza is a cousin to whom Edward and wife Bertha, and Carrie Knight are going to join when they immigrate in 1911.
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Sandra provided the deaths for the other children of Thirza and Warren Chase, here is the one for Warren H Chase jr:
http://dxsrv4.cpl.org/WebZ/Authorize?sessionid=0&next=/html/obit.html&dbchoice=1:dbname=necr&bad=html/authofail.html&style=noframe
Name: Chase, Warren Howard II
Date: Aug 23 1973
Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #099.
Warren Howard Chase, II, father of Warren Howard, III, grandfather of two, brother of Leslie, Paul, Harold Andrew and Ruth. Friday, Aug. 24, 1973
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This looks like the birth record for cousin Thirza
Thirza Annie Moore
Q2 1876
Registration district: Nuneaton. - Volume: 6d Page: 481
Sandra
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I've just gone through all the posts and fitted everyone in until I got to the chases....i need to find who this cousin Ann thirza moore was....
the only thing I know of the Moores is......Peter Moore born ashill norfolk and wife (my Great great Grandparents) had Louisa Moore (my great Grandmother) and Thurza...........Peter must have had more children then.
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I have found a Annie Grace Moore born 1885 nuneaton......father Alfred, mother Grace
Looked at my records...Peter Moores farher was Frances Moore of Ashill Norfolk
Think this is going to take a bit of figuring out.
My cousin went to Ashill Norfolk last year and spoke to an historian there and he told her the Moore's seem to pop in and out of Ashill due to the crop seasons.
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Thurza's sister Louisa was born Staffordshire
??? think they may have travelled around.
I do know we have Romany gypsies in the family....Louisa's husband Frederick Elks came from Gypsies.....wondering if the Moores were gypsies too.....hence travelling around depending where the crops were....gypsies tended to do this seasonal work.
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In 1871 Peter and Mary have quite a number of children:-
Peter Moore 52 Mary Moore 45
Francis Moore 15 Thursley Moore 13 James Moore 11
Sarah A Moore 9 Mary A Moore 5
Louisa Moore 1
In 1861 Ashill. Norfolk.
Peter Moore 42 Mary Moore 34
John Moore 11 Francis Moore 6 Theresa Moore 4
James Moore 1
Edward Tomsett 33 Jane Tomsett 27
Martha Tomsett 7 Jane Tomsett 5
Diana Tomsett 3 Rosina Tomsett 1
1851 Kings Lynn lodging with the Leatherhead Family
Mary Leatherday 48 Esther 14 John 11 Robert 9 Mary 3
Peter Moore 30 Born Ashill. Norfolk
Mary Moore 27 Born Bosworth. Lincolnshire.
John Moore 1 Born Lynn. Norfolk.
Sandra
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:o Wow.....I've been searching for them for years....where did you find them?
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Peter Moore's father:-
Francis Moore - Born 1771 in Ashill, Norfolk, England and died 9 th July 1843 in Ashill, Norfolk, England.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J8PL-C3G
Married 12 th October 1796 to Mary Faux born 1771 in Ashill, Norfolk, England and died 22 Jan 1846 in Ashill, Norfolk, England.
They are in Ashill. Norfolk for the 1841 Census with 2 of there 7 children
Francis Moor 70 Mary Moor 75 William Moor 45 Saml Moor 25
Sandra
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I knew they had Samuel and peter, but didn't know of any more...oh, I think they had a daughter Mary, but i'm not sure
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More for you to check out. Just found a user submitted entry on familysearch that says 8 children:-
John Moore birth: 14 Sep 1800 Ashill, Norfolk, England
burial: 25 Feb 1805 Ashill, Norfolk, England
Stephen Moore birth: 6 Apr 1805 Ashill, Norfolk, England
burial: 13 Jul 1827 Ashill, Norfolk, England
Mary Moore birth: 29 Mar 1799 Ashill, Norfolk, England
Samuel Moore birth: 12 Nov 1809 Ashill, Norfolk, England
burial: 7 Jan 1810 Ashill, Norfolk, England
Sarah Moore birth: 21 Jan 1803 Ashill, Norfolk, England
burial: 13 Jul 1829 Ashill, Norfolk, England
James Moore birth: 22 Feb 1807 Ashill, Norfolk, England
Samuel Moore birth: 11 Mar 1812 Ashill, Norfolk, England
burial: 27 Apr 1896 Ashill, Norfolk, England
Peter Moore 4 Sept 1814 Ashill. Norfolk. England
Source - Ashill Parish Registers 1538 - 1902 Church of England. Parish Church of Ashill
Sandra
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:) Thank you so much for this
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Your very welcome - will keep you out of mischief for a while :P
Sandra
Added from Norfolk:- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,592445.0/prev_next,prev.html
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Ran across this birth certificate for Arthur Leslie Chase:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23316-99788-37?cc=1932106
It lists Thirza Annie Moore Chase's birth as Nuncaton, Warwickshire, England
Don't know whether that helps or not.
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Thank you for that :)
I think it should be Nuneaton not Nuncaton....that would tie in.
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Just found this link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X35M-KRD
I was just writing down the name as it appeared on the birth announcement.
1881 Census: Husbands, Bosworth, Leicestershire
Thiaza A Moore, daughter of John and Harriet Moore
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:) that is great...now I know Peter and John were living in the same place
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that really ties in well with staffordshire too :)
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Looks like Harriet's name might be Mc Namay (mother-in-law)--Mary Mc Namay
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Here is your long awaited obituary for Thomas Knight:
The Plain Dealer, Cleveland, Ohio
14 Mar 1979
page 14, sec B
KNIGHT
Rev. Thomas Knight, formerly of Bedford, Ohio. Husband of the late Lottie Pruitt Bradshaw, Uncle of (*). Died in Valdesa, N.C. Services were held at 11 a.m. Tuesday, March 13, 1979 at the Bedford Assembly of God Church, 234 Center Rd. Arrangements by Johnson-Romito Funeral Home, 521 Broadway, Bedford.
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:) thank you so much xx