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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Louth => Topic started by: billbir on Tuesday 07 October 08 18:18 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find where my gg grandparents came from in Ireland but am not sure that I have enough information.
The names involved are Hugh Connor (1881 census says 90!!, but Durham death certificate says 66). He died at Tudhoe, Co. Durham in July 1881). His wife is another problem as her maiden name appears as two different ones on two of the childrens birth certificate. As she could not write, the person writing the census must have just written, based on the phonetics. It came out as Mary McInnerny.
They had 4 children:- Margaret born about 1846
John b 1850
William (my g grandfather) b 1857
Thomas b 1859
They must have moved from Ireland for Hugh to get work in the Durham mines. I would love to know where they came from. As anyone any suggestions?
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Unfortunately civil registration of births in Ireland began in 1864 which is too late for this family. Civil registration of Catholic marriages began in 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages) so am not sure if you will be able to get a marriage certificate either.
Have you traced the parents and all the children in all possible English census records to see if any of them have listed any county of birth in Ireland?
To search for the family in Ireland you really need to know where they lived (parish if not actual townland not just the county).
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aghadowey
You are confirming my worst fears. To my knowledge, only the two parents came from Ireland, but that is all it said on the Census. No location in Ireland. I also sent for the burial records of Hugh Connor, but that was written in Latin.
I am trying to trace back to living relatives of this family to see whether anyone can remember where they came from, but am finding this difficult, but I will keep trying.
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Sorry, forget my previous post! I have just received this info. which might help. I use Find My Past for census info. but they do not yet have 1851. I have now received a copy of the 1851 census, which shows them both coming from Louth. Is this any use?
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It's certainly a start and better than just 'Ireland.' Will get back to you shortly.
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There's a few Hugh Connor parish record details on line at the pay-per-view site Irish Roots - could not find anything close to McInnerny yet.
Church Marriage Connor Hugh 1825 Co. Louth
Church Marriage Connor Hugh 1828 Co. Louth
Church Marriage Connor Hugh 1833 Co. Louth
Church Marriage Connor Hugh 1840 Co. Louth
Shane
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shanew147
Thanks for looking, however as Mary was born (according to the census) in 1828 and Hugh's latest date of birth was 1815, then only 1840 would be feasible for Hugh and none of those dates for Mary, as she would be too young.
Another variation on Mary's surname was Macnany. This is one of my problems, not knowing what her real surname was, as she could only 'mark' the census.
I know that they were registered as born in Louth per the 1851 census, but do not know when they were married or where specifically, they were born, in Louth.
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A search of Co. Louth births lists - a Birth of a Michael McInally in 1821, he is the only birth with that surname spelling.
other 'McN' names include
MacNamee / MacNally / MacNullugh /MacNeil
McNally / McNeany / McNeil / McNemara
McNillow / McNillu / McNiece / McNieve
McNillan / McNillon
McNolty / McNolton
McNulty / McNulti
dont know if any of that helps - but it might give some names to think about....
Shane.
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shanew147
Thanks for the name suggestion, MacNamee and McNeany, sound the most likely.
Thanks for taking an interest.
Bill
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I now believe that I have an update on the above. I think that my gg grandmother Mary was a McEnaney. Therefore I am looking for a Hugh Connor born about 1815 and Mary McEnaney born about 1828, both from Louth. They settled in Co. Durham and had their first child Margaret in c1846. Other children were:-John, William and Thomas. I suspect that their marriage was around 1844/5 though I do not know whether they were married in Ireland and then migrated, or whether they travelled to Co. Durham met and then got married.
If anyone can help, I will be extremely grateful, as I am desperately trying to find their birthplace in Louth.
bill
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A further update is that if I have the correct Death Certificate Hugh Connor died in Tudhoe, Spennymoor Co. Durham in 1881. His age was stated as 66. This puts his date of birth as c1815. Mary Connor nee McEneny??) died in 1887 aged 67, which puts her date of birth as 1820.
Is it likely that an Irish couple would marry first in Ireland and then migrate to England? If so then there must be a marriage certificate for them, which would confirm their age and also Hugh's and Mary's father. Based on a birth of 1820 for Mary, then the earliest marriage could be 1836. They were definitely living in England by 1851 as they appear on that census along with the two children by then, Margaret born c1846 and John born 1850, both born in England. This would narrow the marriage down to between 1836 and 1845.
Does anyone have access to Irish (probably Louth) marriage records, that could help me?
Any assistance will be much appreciated.
Bill
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Hi Bill
I have just had a quick look at the IFHF site at
http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php?&set=yes
and found the following based on your info.........
Marriages 1840 [/b] (+/- 4 Years)
Surname First Name Year County
Connor Hugh 1840 Co. Louth Cooley
McNeany Mary 1838 Co. Louth, Dundalk
McEneny Mary 1839 Co. Louth, Tallanstown
McNany Mary 1840 Co. Louth, Haggardstown
McEneny Mary 1841 Co. Louth, Ardee
McEneany Mary 1842 Co. Louth, Louth
Baptisms - 1815 (+/- 4 Years)
Surname First Name Year County
Connor Hugh 1813 Co. Louth, Kilsaran
Connor Hugh 1814 Co. Louth, Dunleer
Baptisms - 1820 (+/- 4 Years)
McEneny Mary 1820 Co. Louth, Haggardstown
McEneany Mary 1821 Co. Louth, Kilsaran
You may wish to have a go at extending the period on either side of the base search dates.
Are you sure what religion and are you still convinced about Co Louth?
Best of luck
HB
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Hugo
Thanks for your response. I had been to the Online Louth Library and obtained the same sort of information as yourself. I have speculatively viewed one marriage cert. for Hugh and one for Mary costing me 10 Euros but without success.
The Louth connection is based on the English census of 1851 which shows Hugh and Mary being 36 and 27 respectively, coming from Louth, Ireland.
Unfortunately the ages in subsequent census, fluctuate wildly, with 1881 having Hugh as 90!!. His death certificate in 1881 shows his age as 66, which would confirm the 1851 age as correct.
Regarding the religion, I am sure that they were RC as Hugh's burial was at St Charles RC Church, Tudhoe, Spennymoor, Co. Durham and the paperwork, I obtained was in Latin.
Regards
Bill
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Bill
That's the problem with the IFHF site, you can't enter the bride and groom surnames. If you could, the search would be less lengthy (and less expensive too!)
Hopefully they may improve the searching aspect to include both surnames in the marriage search.
HB
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This is not strictly a new topic as I submitted the following question back in January 09. However I have a little bit more information this time so I thought I would try again. My question was:–
Re: Search for ancestors births in Ireland
« on: Tuesday 07 October 08 18:18 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find where my gg grandparents came from in Ireland but am not sure that I have enough information.
The names involved are Hugh Connor (1881 census says 90!!, but Durham death certificate says 66). He died at Tudhoe, Co. Durham in July 1881). His wife is another problem as her maiden name appears as two different ones on two of the childrens birth certificate. As she could not write, the person writing the census must have just written, based on the phonetics. It came out as Mary McInnerny.
They had 4 children:- Margaret born about 1846
John b 1850
William (my g grandfather) b 1857
Thomas b 1859
They must have moved from Ireland for Hugh to get work in the Durham mines. I would love to know where they came from. As anyone any suggestions?
I have now established that my great-great-grandmother remarried in 1883 after the death of Hugh. She married Michael Dooley on 29 January 1883 at St Charles Chapel Tudhoe, County Durham. Her age is now 52 which would make her born in 1831 but the censuses were suggesting 1825 which is a much more likely year of birth. I suspect that she might have lied about her age to her new husband who was already younger than her. The key piece of information to come out of this marriage is that her father's name was Bryan McNany. Secondly one of the witnesses was a Bridget McNany.
I'm hoping now with the extra bit of information I can get back to their place of birth in Ireland. Any help would be much appreciated.
Bill
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There was lots of information posted on your previoius thread so to avoid needless duplication I've merged it with your new post.
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aghadowey
Thank you for merging my topic, I wasn't sure how to deal with the new information bearing in mind the original topic is over a-year-old.
Bill
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I am trying to locate the birthplace of the above, who was my GG Grandmother, and finding it immensely difficult!! I know from the 1851 Census, that she and her husband Hugh O'Connor or Connor came from Louth, Ireland but I cannot locate them in the Louth records. I think that they must have come over to England at the time of the Potato Famine in Ireland and settled in Co.Durham. I have been unable to establish when Hugh and Mary were married, which could have been before they left Ireland or whether they met and married in England. I cannot find any record of them in the 1841 census. They had 4 children: Margaret, John, William and Thomas. After Hugh's death in 1881 she remarried in 1883. Her husband was Michael Dooley. On the marriage certificate, a witness was Bridget McNany and the fathers name was Bryan McNany (deceased). With all this information, I am hoping that some one can help me find the birthplace of this key relative.
Bill
Moderator Note : Topic Merged with existing thread on this couple
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Unfortunately you usually need a detailed location before you start a search for a baptism in Ireland - i.e. which town, townland or parish. In a small number of cases you can sometimes find clues if the family were relatively well off, or where the husband/father had certain occupations that may be listed in directories etc.
Not all parishes have records back as far as 1821, so knowing the location is vital.
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from the 1851 Census, that she and her husband Hugh O'Connor or Connor came from Louth, Ireland but I cannot locate them in the Louth records.
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Which Louth records did you search already ?
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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Shane
The only location info. that I have is from the 1851 census i.e. Louth, Ireland. I have checked the records of : Irish Family History Foundation
Bill
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Unfortunately just knowing the county is not specific enough - you need to know the parish or town, otherwise you could be searching for a record that does not exist.
I think IFHF/RootsIreland have transcripts for most, if not all, the available RC records for Co. Louth, but dont have records for any other denominations.
Shane
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Thanks for the reply Shane, but I do not know anything but Louth and that they were definitely RC
Bill
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New topic-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736085.new#new
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I am now wondering whether my GG Grandparents may have come from Monaghan and not Louth. I have seen a number of McEneaney's from Carrickmacross in Monaghan and it looks a very short distance from the Louth border. May be back in the 1840's it could have been in County Louth. Grasping at straws I know, but does anyone have access to the birth records for Carrickmacross?
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Hi,
I hope the people that took an interest in my previous posts are still around, and maybe some new eyes. This is an update on my previous post:-
Re: Search for ancestors births in Ireland
« on: Tuesday 07 October 08 18:18 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find where my gg grandparents came from in Ireland but am not sure that I have enough information.
The names involved are Hugh Connor (1881 census says 90!!, but Durham death certificate says 66). He died at Tudhoe, Co. Durham in July 1881). His wife is another problem as her maiden name appears as two different ones on two of the childrens birth certificate. As she could not write, the person writing the census must have just written, based on the phonetics. It came out as Mary McInnerny.
They had 4 children:- Margaret born about 1846
John b 1850
William (my g grandfather) b 1857
Thomas b 1859
They must have moved from Ireland for Hugh to get work in the Durham mines. I would love to know where they came from. As anyone any suggestions?
I have now established that my great-great-grandmother remarried in 1883 after the death of Hugh. She married Michael Dooley on 29 January 1883 at St Charles Chapel Tudhoe, County Durham. Her age is now 52 which would make her born in 1831 but the censuses were suggesting 1825 which is a much more likely year of birth. I suspect that she might have lied about her age to her new husband who was already younger than her. The key piece of information to come out of this marriage is that her father's name was Bryan McNany. Secondly one of the witnesses was a Bridget McNany.
I'm hoping now with the extra bit of information I can get back to their place of birth in Ireland. Any help would be much appreciated."
I have today discovered some information, which might help me break down the wall surrounding my Irish connection. I found two bits of information, which may be a total red herring, but I am hoping that someone can help me prove it correct.The UK Census in 1851 says that Hugh Connor and Mary McNany, came from Louth, but the address below suggests otherwise. However I believe that the location is very close to Louth. I have a feeling that they may have been born in Ardee, but that is speculation and I need some solid facts.
1) On Ancestry I found:-
Name: Bryan McNanny
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: Feb 1812
Marriage Place: Drumconrath, Meath, Ireland
Diocese: Meath
Spouse: Rose Clark
and then
2) The birth of Mary:-
Name: Bryan McNana
Gender: Male
Diocese: Meath
Spouse: Rose McNana
Child: Mary McNana
Both are from the Ireland Catholic Parish Registers
The problems that I have are:-
a) The birth of Mary differs considerably from every other record that I have being 1814 compared to the UK Census which suggests 1821 or thereabouts
b) I need to know whether Bryan and Rose had any siblings. Possible names are Michael, and Bridget.
Any help would be much appreciated.