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I am looking for the family history of this family. Their daughter Mary Fahey was my great grandmother. Gigi4
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Hi
It will help us a lot if you can give us a few more details, where and when was Mary born, do you know anything at all about her parents place of birth, dates etc. Do you have Maary's marriage certificate, it should give her parents names, fathers occupation, mothers maiden name.
mum mum
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Mary Fahey was born in 1858 (possibly Australia) and married George Cornelius Beilby in 1881 in Australia. I have no information on Mary's her parents other than their names.
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Marriage in VICTORIA:
FAHEY Mary (born LANCASHIRE) m. BEILBY George Cornelius (born GEELONG) 1881 #3537
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Birth in LANCASHIRE:
FAHEY Mary b. Dec qtr 1858 - Saint George , Manchester, County of Lancashire #8d/231
This has been corrected in reply #21
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Death of husband George Cornelius BEILBY in VIC:
BEILBY Geo Corns age 40yrs d. WBEAL 1899 #7821
Father: Beilby Jas
Mother: Elizth BAKER
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Hi
You say that you have the parents names, how did you get them, do you have her death certificate, if so, they are not always accurate, the marriage certificate is usually a more reliable document.
mum mum
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I agree about the need to see documentary evidence and will have to look for these in the UK. I am in Australia.
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Her parents names along with other useful information will be on her marriage certificate in my reply #3 above.
You can purchase & download immediately a copy of the certificate for $17.50 from the VIC BDM:
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
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Hi
There is an online tree which gives parents for them but it is a little confusing, there seems to be conflicting information about where people were born and arrival dates ???. It certainly would be better to go straight to the source, the marriage certificate, then you should be able to narrow down the births for them.
mum mum
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Mary Fahey was born in 1858 (possibly Australia) and married George Cornelius Beilby in 1881 in Australia. I have no information on Mary's her parents other than their names.
She was born Lancashire, England according to the marriage index.
As you have the parents' names could you please post them and we could possibly find them on a census.
Application for License approved 1888 Mary S BLEIBY
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ll8/
Mention of the death of Mr George BLEIBY 40 years 1899 son of John BLEIBY of Chalambra
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ll9/
Mention of George’s widow…1899.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ll6/
Government Gazette – Mary BEILBY – Application for License Approved– 1903
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ll7/
Australian Electoral Roll
1903 Wimmera/Sheep Hills
BEILBY Mary Sheep Hills Home duties
Cando
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The parents' names are in the title Cando ;D
cheers,
Ros
Adding : sorry Cando my mistake (of course) :)
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The parents' names are in the title Cando ;D
cheers,
Ros
Hi Ros
I think the problem is that there is conflicting information, trees on Ancestry with those parents all have Mary as born in Australia whereas according to the marriage index supplied by ~MERLIN~ Mary was born in Lancashire. Gigi4 hasn't indicated the source of the parents names but if its the Ancestry trees then the marriage certificate would be helpful in that it would confirm parents names.
Andy
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I think the problem is that there is conflicting information, trees on Ancestry with those parents all have Mary as born in Australia whereas according to the marriage index supplied by ~MERLIN~ Mary was born in Lancashire. Gigi4 hasn't indicated the source of the parents names but if its the Ancestry trees then the marriage certificate would be helpful in that it would confirm parents names.
The Ancestry trees also give Mary's place of birth, and her father's as NSW, also her parent's marriage. There are births in NSW for James and Eliza/Elizabeth Fahey, including Mary born 1858, this still may not be the same family. There is a James Fahey who dies in NSW in 1885, but whether it is they same man is unsure, his wife Eliza died in 1892 NSW.
Get the marriage certificate. :)
mum mum
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Mary BEILBY (FAHEY) appears to have remarried or partnered a Mr D JENKINS before WWI.
If you read two of the son's WWI files who were born to George & Mary you will see her name as Mary JENKINS living in Richmond VIC 1815 & step-father D JENKINS living in SA 1918.
http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=18709
http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=18706
I'm a bit pressed for time at the moment so I can't go any further, but perhaps one of the other RCer's will help until I can return :)
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The marriage certificate for Mary Fahey and George Cornelius Beilby states Mary's parents as being JOHN FAHEY and MARGARET COMRAY (could be Comroy, Camray, it's difficult to read). It confirms that Mary was born in Lancashire England and that James Fahey and Elizabeth Graham were NOT HER PARENTS.
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Could you please give any other information about Mary your great grandmother...who did she marry and when did she die?
Cheers
Cando
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I am looking for the family history of this family. Their daughter Mary Fahey was my great grandmother.
Gigi4
Mary Fahey was born in 1858 (possibly Australia) and married George Cornelius Beilby in 1881 in Australia. I have no information on Mary's her parents other than their names.
Gigi4
So the above is NOT correct.
6206/1858
FAHEY Mary
Father James Mother Eliza A
District Campbelltown
Cando
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Some speculative research ;D
Births to a James and an Eliza in NSW
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lls/
and a James and an Elizabeth in NSW
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0llt/
Perhaps the death of Eliza A/Elizabeth A
068/1892
FAHEY Eliza A
Father David Mother Ann
District Campbelltown
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5219/1912
FAHEY James
Father Thomas Mother Catherine
District Campbelltown
Cando
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I am a descendant of James Beilby b.1830, Yorkshire. He married Elizabeth Baker 1827. James and Elizabeth sailed to Australia on the Caroline Agnes 1849. I am interested in finding information on the ancestors of James and Elizabeth.
Gigi4
So is the above correct as James BEILBY and Elizabeth BAKER are the parents of George Cornelius who was born 1858 and married Mary FAHEY dau of John FAHEY and Margaret C*?
I am confused now ;D
Info about your great grandmother Mary would help us ;D Marriage, death.....
Cando
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The marriage certificate for Mary Fahey and George Cornelius Beilby states Mary's parents as being JOHN FAHEY and MARGARET COMRAY (could be Comroy, Camray, it's difficult to read). It confirms that Mary was born in Lancashire England and that James Fahey and Elizabeth Graham were NOT HER PARENTS.[/color]
We are looking for Mary Fahey, parents John and Margaret, born Lancashire, England. does the marriage certificate give her age, and her fathers occupation. We may be able to find them on the English census.
mum mum
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Marriage of Mary's parents & her correct birth both in County Lancashire:-
Marriage:
FAHY John m. CUNRY Margaret 1860 at the Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackburn, LANCASHIRE #RM/34/1
Birth:
FAHY Mary b. 1861 Accrington, Preston, LANCASHIRE - Mother's Maiden Name: CUNRY #ACC/21/83
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I am looking for the family history of this family. Their daughter Mary Fahey was my great grandmother.
Gigi4
Mary Fahey was born in 1858 (possibly Australia) and married George Cornelius Beilby in 1881 in Australia. I have no information on Mary's her parents other than their names.
Gigi4
Where did you initially find the parents of Mary as James FAHEY and Elizabeth GRAHAM?
I can't see a birth of a daughter to George Cornelius BEILBY and Mary FAHEY.
Well if it is now John FAHEY we are searching
Perhaps her father or a relative..
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0llm/
FAHEY Jno
Father Fahey Jno Mother Bridget HOGAN
At Sheep Hills 85 years 1906 Reg#7078
FAHEY John Born Ireland 74 years Status Married
Hospital record 12 Jul 1897
Place - Elaine
Occupation Labourer In Colony 32 years Religion Roman Catholic
If the above info is accurate this could be the family's arrival but mother is Mary.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=23
Arrived on the NAPIER May 1865 Port B Fiche 246 Page 003
FAHEY John 32 years
FAHEY Mary 31 years
FAHEY Michael 11 years
FAHEY John 9 years
FAHEY Mary 3 years
Another resource states this family are English.
Births Sep 1862
FAHEY Mary Liverpool 8b/7
John Fahy 30
Margaret Fahy 30
Michael Fahy 8
John Fahy 6
Edmond Fahy 25
Roger Franese 25
Catherine Corcoran 20
1861 Census RG9/3062/63/31
Living at Lowerfol, Old Accrington, Lancs
FAHY John Head Married 30 years Labourer Born Ireland
FAHY Margaret Wife 30 years Cotton weaver Born Ireland
FAHY Michael Son 8 years Born Lancs Accrington
FAHY John Son 6 years Born Lancs Accrington
FAHY Edward Relative 25 years Unmarried Cotton Weaver Born Ireland
What is Mary's age on the marriage cert? If this is the correct family Mary was possibly born c1862 and would have needed parental consent to marry in 1881.
Did Mary's father or legal guardian, give consent for her marriage to George?
Death
FAHEY Margaret
Father Conroy Denis Mother Margaret McLAUGHLIN
At Elaine 83 years 1899 Reg#13553
Frustrating when ALL the information on certs is not posted.
Cando
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Marriage of Mary's parents & her correct birth both in County Lancashire:-
Marriage:
FAHY John m. CUNRY Margaret 1860 at the Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackburn, LANCASHIRE #RM/34/1
Birth:
FAHY Mary b. 1861 Accrington, Preston, LANCASHIRE - Mother's Maiden Name: CUNRY #ACC/21/83
Perhaps I have the wrong family on the census if they only married in 1861.
Cando
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Hi
I thought that was their arrival on the Napier too Cando, I wonder if Margaret was his second marriage, the older children may have been his first wife. Anything is possible.
mum mum
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Well if it is now John FAHEY we are searching
Perhaps her father or a relative..
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0llm/
FAHEY Jno
Father Fahey Jno Mother Bridget HOGAN
At Sheep Hills 85 years 1906 Reg#7078
Make sure you have a look at this link because it mentions that his daughter is a Mrs D Jenkins, yes the D is wrong but so are a lot of other things. If she remarried or partnered a Jenkins this most likely is Mary's father.
mum mum]
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There could be a mistrancription on the shipping list ....Marg and transcribed as Mary.
For the GRO reference
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Jun 1860
CUNRY Margaret Blackburn 8e/555
FAHYJohn Blackburn 8e/555
Cando
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Hi Cando
I've seen censuses and passenger lists were Marg (abbreviation for Margaret) has been transcribed as Mary so the Napier passengers could well be the right family.
Elaine is not that far from Geelong where George Beilby was born, where was the Beilby/Fahey marriage?
Mary Fahy born Accrington 1861 could well be 3 when the Napier arrived in 1865 depending upon when her birthday was. and the ages of the boys, Michael 11, and John 9 fits with the 1861 Accrington census.
Also, even though the John Fahy/Margaret Cunry marriage was in 1860 the boys could be from a previous relationship.
Married women were often referred to by the husbands name, ie Mrs John Smith, so Mrs D Jenkins would not be incorrect if her second husband was a D Jenkins. Whether there was an actual marriage or not is a different issue.
Andy
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I can't see a birth of a daughter to George Cornelius BEILBY and Mary FAHEY.
Didn't search late enough. Apologies.
Cando
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Elaine is not that far from Geelong where George Beilby was born, where was the Beilby/Fahey marriage?
Elaine is the residence of John FAHEY Labourer in 1897 and death of Margaret FAHEY in 1899....and the birthplace of one of George and Mary's children.
Still puzzled where the James FAHEY and Elizabeth GRAHAM came from ;)
Cando
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Hi Cando,
James Fahey and Elizabeth Graham must be the NSW couple, who someone else has put in their Anscestry tree as the parents of Mary Fahey. There were two Mary Fahey's born around 1858-61, one in NSW to James and Elizabeth and one in Lancashire to John and Margaret.
mum mum
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Another reason to treat online trees with caution.
Cando
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Also, even though the John Fahy/Margaret Cunry marriage was in 1860 the boys could be from a previous relationship.
John and Margaret may even have married sometime after they began living as husband and wife, the boys may be hers.
Can we see John or those boys on the previous census?
mum mum
Another reason to treat online trees with caution.
Yep Cando, I know, but sometimes they can give you an idea. This one does mention the Jenkins connection.
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John's birth is registered under his mother's name:
CUNROY John b. 1855 Accrington, Preston, LANCASHIRE - Mother's Maiden Name: CUNROY #ACC/14/52
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Can you find Michaels two years earlier?
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This is the only one that looks likely but no mother's maiden name given :(
FAHEY Michael b. 1852 Prescot, LANCASHIRE #PRE/14/75
I am also searching for a possible first wife to John & her death.
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Thank you all for this mass of information. Sorry I did not give more details of the marriage record. Here it is:
Date 27 September 1881 at Elaine, Victoria, George Cornelius Beilby, 23 (Batchelor, Farmer) born Geelong, present address Mandurang, usual address Mandurang and Mary Fahey, 20 (Spinster, Servant) born Lancashire, England present address Elaine, usual address Minyip. Parents (Names and Mother's Maiden name) James Beilby, Farmer and Elizabeth Baker, John Fahey, Farmer and Margaret Cunry.
by licence and according to the rights of the Catholic Church
I will go back through my records to find the source for James Fahey and Elizabeth Graham which is most clearly incorrect. Gigi4
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Hi
I would be having a look at the link that Cando posted about the death of John Fahey at Sheep Hill reg 7078 in 1906, it really looks like it could be your guy and his death certificate may give more info.
mum mum
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Well if it is now John FAHEY we are searching
Perhaps her father or a relative..
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0llm/
FAHEY Jno
Father Fahey Jno Mother Bridget HOGAN
At Sheep Hills 85 years 1906 Reg#7078
Make sure you have a look at this link because it mentions that his daughter is a Mrs D Jenkins, yes the D is wrong but so are a lot of other things. If she remarried or partnered a Jenkins this most likely is Mary's father.
mum mum]
Hi TO All,
I have just discovered this info about my Great Grandmother Mary Fahy many thanks to you guys.
Mary Fahy married David Jenkins (not sure when) after the death of my GGFather George Cornelius Beilby in 1899.
My name is David from Melbourne, Great Gson of George Cornelius Beilby 1858-1899.
George C died in 1899 just after my Grandfather Allan Ernest Beilby was born in 1898.
I found that Mary remarried a David Jenkins circa 1902, I looked up Allan Ernest & Harry his older brothers enlistment papers for WW1 and found that Allan had David Jenkins listed as stepfather next of kin and Harry who won the Military Medal ranked as a Lieutenant in France, had Mary Jenkins as mother but cannot find any records for her or David Jenkins at this stage.
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I am a descendant of James Beilby b.1830, Yorkshire. He married Elizabeth Baker 1827. James and Elizabeth sailed to Australia on the Caroline Agnes 1849. I am interested in finding information on the ancestors of James and Elizabeth.
Gigi4
So is the above correct as James BEILBY and Elizabeth BAKER are the parents of George Cornelius who was born 1858 and married Mary FAHEY dau of John FAHEY and Margaret C*?
Yes this is correct,James was my GGGrandfather, the family from NSW is INCORRECT
I am confused now ;D
Info about your great grandmother Mary would help us ;D Marriage, death.....
Cando
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I am a descendant of James Beilby b.1830, Yorkshire. He married Elizabeth Baker 1827. James and Elizabeth sailed to Australia on the Caroline Agnes 1849. I am interested in finding information on the ancestors of James and Elizabeth.
Gigi4
So is the above correct as James BEILBY and Elizabeth BAKER are the parents of George Cornelius who was born 1858 and married Mary FAHEY dau of John FAHEY and Margaret C*?
I am confused now ;D
Info about your great grandmother Mary would help us ;D Marriage, death.....
Cando
David would you please post your comment/s below the quoted posts. I did not add any red font to my original post and you have added information that is not in my original post.
This request is over 12 months old and the OP has not been logged in since Feb this year.
Cando
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I am a descendant of James Beilby b.1830, Yorkshire. He married Elizabeth Baker 1827. James and Elizabeth sailed to Australia on the Caroline Agnes 1849. I am interested in finding information on the ancestors of James and Elizabeth.
Gigi4
So is the above correct as James BEILBY and Elizabeth BAKER are the parents of George Cornelius who was born 1858 and married Mary FAHEY dau of John FAHEY and Margaret C*?
I am confused now ;D
Info about your great grandmother Mary would help us ;D Marriage, death.....
Cando
David would you please post your comment/s below the quoted posts. I did not add any red font to my original post and you have added information that is not in my original post.
This request is over 12 months old and the OP has not been logged in since Feb this year.
Cando
OK Sorry CANDO,first time i tried to post but i will get the hang of it.
The info about James Beilby & Elizabeth Baker above is CORRECT and the info about James Fahey & Elizabeth Graham is INCORRECT.
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my name is Graeme pratt my ggparents were George Cornelius beilby and mary fahey/beilby/Jenkins I have her born in 1858 in Victoria marriage in 1881 and died about 1925.
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bbear1998, you may be correct or you may not be, do you have any docos to certify the date?
I cannot find anything to positively say one way or the other about her death date, my info came from family info but that may also be possibly incorrect.
I did look up her name in the cemeteries index at Fawkner and although i didn't find the exact name there was a similar name in a nearby plot but haven't investigated it further as yet?
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I have since looked into the passing of my Gr Grandmother Mary Margaret Fahey / Jenkins and found that she died in Richmond Vic. 28th March 1918 as per The Age newspaper memorium 28/3/1919.
She is in fact buried at Fawkner Cemetery Vic. under the name of Mary Jenkins in the Roman Catholic section.
Have not been able to find a marriage cert. for her & David Jenkins as yet.
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Hi To All, I have just come across this thread and can help with info.
Mary Margaret Fahey was born in Lancashire in 1862 came to Australia aboard the "Napier" in 1865 ex Liverpool with her parents John Fahey & Margaret Cunry with siblings Michael 1854 & John 1856.
Mary Margaret Fahey is my GGrandmother she married George Cornelius Beilby GGF in Elaine (near Geelong) Victoria Australia and one of their children was my Grand Father, Allan Ernest Beilby 1898.
George C died in 1899 and is buried in the Sheep Hills cemetery, Mary then married a David Jenkins & is buried in Fawkner Cemetery Victoria Australia under the name of Jenkins.
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Hi ! I believe the boarders with the John Fahy Family in Accrington Lancashire in 1861 census , Edward Fahy ( relative ) and Catherine Corcoran are my great grandparents married in Blackburn Lancashire in 1862. I do not know if John Fahy was Edward’s brother or cousin. Edward and Catherine Fahy stayed in Lancashire and had my great aunt Catherine in 1862 or 3. They did not emigrate to Australia. They stayed in England a few years. With the cotton crisis in England, Edward went to USA in 1864 and started working in the cotton mills of Central Falls Rhode Island. He sent for Catherine and his daughter in 1874. In 1875 my Grandpa , John Lee Fahy was born in 1875. I hope this is correct and we are related !
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Hi To All, I have just come across this thread and can help with info.
Mary Margaret Fahey was born in Lancashire in 1862 came to Australia aboard the "Napier" in 1865 ex Liverpool with her parents John Fahey & Margaret Cunry with siblings Michael 1854 & John 1856.
Mary Margaret Fahey is my GGrandmother she married George Cornelius Beilby GGF in Elaine (near Geelong) Victoria Australia and one of their children was my Grand Father, Allan Ernest Beilby 1898.
George C died in 1899 and is buried in the Sheep Hills cemetery, Mary then married a David Jenkins & is buried in Fawkner Cemetery Victoria Australia under the name of Jenkins.
David you posted on this thread four years ago :)
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Hi ! I believe the boarders with the John Fahy Family in Accrington Lancashire in 1861 census , Edward Fahy ( relative ) and Catherine Corcoran are my great grandparents married in Blackburn Lancashire in 1862. I do not know if John Fahy was Edward’s brother or cousin. Edward and Catherine Fahy stayed in Lancashire and had my great aunt Catherine in 1862 or 3. They did not emigrate to Australia. They stayed in England a few years. With the cotton crisis in England, Edward went to USA in 1864 and started working in the cotton mills of Central Falls Rhode Island. He sent for Catherine and his daughter in 1874. In 1875 my Grandpa , John Lee Fahy was born in 1875. I hope this is correct and we are related !
Have you the 1862 marriage certificate for Edward and Catherine? It would give you the names of the bride's and groom's fathers.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Mar 1862
CORKERHAM Catherine Blackburn 8e/428
CORKERHAN Catherine Blackburn 8e/428
FAHY Edward Blackburn 8e/428
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Thank you so much, CANDO !! I ordered a copy of thier certificate from GRO. I will let you know in several weeks when I receive it .
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Cando, Thank You . I finally received My Irish born great grandparents’ marriage certificate from GRO. Edward Fahy and Catherine Corkerhan ( Corcoran ) were Married March 5, 1962 in Lancashire England at St. Oswald’s Church, Blackburn. He was 22 and she was 20. Best of all, thanks to you, I know the names of my great great grandpas. Edward Fahy and William Corkerhan or Corcoran. Edward was listed as a boarding relative with John Fahey and Margaret Cunry Fahey. They were not brothers but maybe cousins. ( John’s father was John, not Edward).I still do not know where in Ireland Catherine and Edward were born but sifting through Griffith’s Valuations. I guess the Mary Fahey Bielby descendants in Australia are cousins of mine. Edward and Catherine went to USA instead during the Cotton Crisis in England. Thank you so much for your help !