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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Breconshire => Topic started by: juiceanca on Sunday 29 April 12 23:20 BST (UK)
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Hello all
i wonder if anybody could help me to find the birth or marriage of a John Burston born in Brakenshire,South Wales on the 1871 Census age 42yrs married to maria.
On the 1861 census John Burston is 36 yrs old Born South wales married to maria.
On the 1881 census John Burston is 60 yrs old married to maria Born in Breckenshire,South wales.
On the 1891 Census John Burston is 72 yrs old Married to Maria born in South Wales.
All the above census were in staffordshire where he also died.
I cannot find them on the 1851 or 1841 census or even a marriage that ties in.
All i can find is they had a daughter sarah Ann Burston B.1853 in Critchowell,Breconshire which would suggest a marriage around that area.
Many thanks for your help julian
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You may need to buy a copy of one of the childrens birth certs to get Maria's maiden name
Freebmd has a lot of marriage entries with an uneven number of male/female names on the same page.
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Hi
I cannot see the birth for sarah Ann Burston1853 Crickhowell Breconshire
can you give ref please ???
cheers cardiff :-\
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can't see anything for Burston in the area and it's not a local name, but there is this birth reg at the right time & place
Sarah Ann Boston march qtr 1853 Crickhowell vol 11a pg 131
and in 1851
Llangattock, HO107/1590 folio 184 pg 4 (within Crickhowell regsitration district)
John Boston head mar 27 ag lab b. Devon, Barnstaple
Maria wife 26 b. Somerset, Whitscom
There's a birth & death of a Robert Boston in dec qtr 1850 registered Crickhowell & these are the only bmds for Boston registered Crickhowell. The first Burston bmd appears in 1899.
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Hi osprey
Thought I was going mad I could not see a birth Buston, Boston makes sense and you finding the 1851 census.
cheers cardiff :)
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still can't see a marriage though.....
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HI
I don't see a marriage looks like carolew is right they will have to get that birth certificate to see what maria's maided name is.
lets hope we are kept in the loop to see how it pans out :)
cheers cardiff
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Hello to all
Many thanks Cardiff, Osprey and Carolew for finding the birth and 1851census
You are very clever people,i had been trying for ages.if i get any further i will let you all know.
many thanks for your time
julian
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I noticed quite a few messages regarding JOHN BURSTON and family.
The John Burston that was born in Breconshire around 1821 who later married Maria and had a daughter Sarah was my great great grandfather.
My maiden name was Burston.
He resided in Consall Forge and was employed as a gamekeeper.
He also had children, Louisa, Rowland,Frederick, Winifred.
I also found Walter and Vernon Victor (Grandsons). Vernon Victor was my grandfather.
I have tried to find birth and Marriage records and can't find either.
I have found his death record in 1896 in Staffordshire but can't find any burial records.
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Welcome to Rootschat!
The original poster hasn't been online for a few months but may come back after notification from this post.
The GRO website gives Maria's maiden name as Allen on the 1850 birth of Robert and the 1853 birth of Sarah Ann, but the marriage still isn't leaping out for the moment.
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Thankyou for that information.
It helps me onto a further stage but I must admit I'm not a natural at anything to do with computers so I find sourcing information very hard work!
Kind Regards
L.R.
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I must add, this all started with trying to find the parentage of my grandfather Vernon Victor Burston.
Neither parent is named but I suspect it is Louisa who, the story goes was working in service, presumably on the country estate where the John Burston from Breconshire was working.
I think this may have been the Consall Estate in Staffordshire because his address was Consall Forge.
This is an area, not an actual forge so I can't establish exactly which house he lived in.
Anyway, it seems his mother became pregnant by the owner of the estate and a Robert Garside was paid off to marry her!
I suppose I will never find records of any of this because it would all have to be hushed up!
Are these Burstons your ancestors? which line are you following?
Kind Regards
L.R.
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no relation to me, just helping with the search.
Working from the places of birth as given on the 1851 census in Llangattock, I think Maria Allen was born in Wiveliscombe in Somerset.
1841 census Maundown (?), Wiveliscombe HO107/950/9 folio 47 pg 29
Ann Allen 40
Maria 15
Joanna 25
Sarah 7
all born in county
baptisms 1 Dec 1833 in Wiveliscombe daughters of Ann Allen, single woman
Maria, base born about 8 years old
Sarah, base born about 5 years old
and Robert base born bp 24 Feb 1828 son of Ann Allen single woman
When was Vernon Victor born?
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ok, found the birth reg.
Vernon Victor Burston dec qtr 1874 Cheadle vol 6b pg 334 no mother's maiden name.
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I wonder if John Burston and Maria never were married.
With moving up to Staffordshire it could have been presumed that they were.
I think this was the case very often for various reasons, one being that they couldn't afford.
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I'm not sure there was a large cost to getting married at that time. People married wearing their Sunday best.
1881 census Consall Forge
John Burston head mar 60 iron miner b. South Wales, Brekenshire
Maria wife 56 b. Brekenshire
Rowland J son 20 b. Staffs, Kingsley
Frederick G son 17 iron labourer b. Cheddlton
Winnifred A dau 12 b. Ipstones
Vernon Victor grandson 6 b. Kingsley
Walter M T F grandson 4 b. Kingsley
birth reg for Walter as Walter Noble Fitzwarren march qtr 1877 has no mother's maiden name. Baptism 21 Jan 1877 in Kingsley shows his mother as Sarah Ann.
Vernon Victor bp 31 Jan 1875 son of Louisa, abode Hazlescross.
Louisa married 25 November 1880 so a gap between Vernon's birth & her marriage
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Hi
I've not been able to find a marriage for John Burston born 1821/1825 to Maria.
Neither have I found the marriage of Rowland John his son to, I think Elizabeth Hampson.
I have found the grave of Rowland and Elizabeth at Kingsley Churchyard in Staffordshire and Elizabeth is described as his wife.
As this couple seemed to do a lot of travelling about, presumably following his occupation as a Gamekeeper I may be looking in the wrong place.
I have an idea that Elizabeth was from Lancashire, Liverpool I suspect, but as I said earlier, I am not a natural at this job and am probably not requesting the right information!
Regards
Laraine
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The marriage for Rowland John Burston was june qtr 1887 Cheadle vol 6b pg 429 with Elizabeth Hampson on the same page
1891 census Colwich RG12/2141 folio 5 pg 3
Rowland J Burston head mar 31 gamekeeper b. Kingsley, Staffs
Elizabeth wife 26 b. Knowsley, Lancashire
Mary M G dau 3 b. Cheddleton
Rowland dau 2 b. Ipstones
Arthur son 6 weeks b. Colwich
Birth regs of Mary M G & Rowland have mmn as Hampson, that on Arthur's is Hampton.
Using FreeBmd allows you to search all of England & Wales.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Census entries will show place of birth.