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Title: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Thursday 03 May 12 22:28 BST (UK)
In 1923 Jane and Florrie returned from their travels via New York heading for Leigh in Lancashire.
From then I have no idea what became of them.

Jane was the widow of Eldred Smith b 1879 son of Thomas Smith 1829 and Harriet (Calland) 1840 and Florrie was unmarried

They travelled with a friend Ernest J White b.1879 Leigh Lancs Who
 lived at 37 Vernon St. Pennington in Leigh in 1911

If anyone could tell me what became of them after 1923 .  I know that later they continued on their travels to Honolulu

Hoping someone can help me away from this Brick Wall

Colaine
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: karenlee on Friday 04 May 12 00:18 BST (UK)

Hi

FreeBMD shows...

Death Index
June Quarter of 1964 Volume 10d Page 47
Leigh Lancashire
Ernest J WHITE aged 85 ( born about 1879 )

Cheers
Karenlee
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Friday 04 May 12 13:53 BST (UK)
hI

Thank you for your prompt reply
I don`t really know much about Mr White but on the ships manifest 1923  he was listed as Friend( in England)  to Jane and Florrie .
Not sure if he actually travelled with them. His address was listed as 32 The Avenue. LEIGH Lancs
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: mshrmh on Friday 04 May 12 14:12 BST (UK)
Colaine - have you approximate date & place of birth for them?
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Friday 04 May 12 14:37 BST (UK)
Jane Elizabeth Barrett 1886 Kidderminster Worcs
Married Eldred Smith 1912

Florence Barrett 1898 Halifax yorkshire

I have all information up to 1923
Thanks
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 04 May 12 15:04 BST (UK)
You have the information ,yes ,but any one trying to help you does not,
so where do they start,without the basic information,
place and date of birth ,



for instance I was looking here
St Mary the Virgin Leigh
9th of March 1870
Eldred Smith
son of Thomas and Harriet
abode Pennington,
father a cotton manufacturor

so  am I correct in assuming this is the Eldred you mentioned
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 04 May 12 15:14 BST (UK)
Ernest James White was a cashier


so possibly a person Eldred trusted as he is mentioned in his probate record
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 04 May 12 15:33 BST (UK)
Do you know if Ernest James White was married


Ernest James White to Jane Alice Daniels,St Marys Leigh,
1907,


ammended you have this from the census
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: mshrmh on Friday 04 May 12 15:34 BST (UK)
Thanks for the details - from searching I see there was a previous thread that has Florence going to Canada in 1924
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,470949.20.html

With a name like Smith, there are numerous possibilities of re-marriage or death for Jane - you would need a lot of time & patience to work through them. Sorry!
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 04 May 12 16:14 BST (UK)
Returning to England
April 1923
President Monroe
New York to London
Miss Florence Barrett ,single,aged 25,no occupation,of the 32 the Avenue Leigh
Mrs Jane E Smith ,housewife,aged 38, of 32 the Avenue Leigh
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 04 May 12 16:26 BST (UK)
From your other thread ,you know Florrie Barrett returns to Canada on the Andania  in 1924 ,
naming Mr White as her next of kin in England,
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Saturday 05 May 12 11:55 BST (UK)
Just to Summarize (in my mind)
Jane and Florence were last recorded travelling to Canada in 1924

What became of them after that is anyones guess
I remember( as a child)  that they visited us (from Honolulu) but we were not at home and left no  contact address .

Thanks everyone for your help .Maybe one day the puzzle will be solved.

Thanks again
Colaine
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Thursday 04 April 13 21:02 BST (UK)
Hi All Thanks for your help on this subject
I am still working. Between 1919 and 1927 they travelled 14 times I have found and as far as I know settled in Honolulu.
My latest findings are that both ladies sailed from Liverpool to Colon (Cuba) July 1927on the `ORDUNA`

Also they applied for citizenship and Naturalization both lived in USA at the time
This record was on Ancestry but I dont have membership. Maybe someone would be kind enough to confirm this for me.

Thanks again

 
Title: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Tuesday 26 April 16 16:20 BST (UK)
Hi All
Still looking for info on Jane E Smith and Florence Barrett (sisters)
JANE E ( Born Barrett) 1884 Kidderminster
              Married Eldred Smith in 1912 (he was born 1879 Leigh Lancs and died 1914 Fylde)
FLORENCE (Flo) born 1898 Halifax

After the death of Eldred the two sisters travelled extensively finally settling (I think) in Hawaii
I have lots of info on their sailings 1919-1927 but have now drawn a blank.
Please look at my previous posts if you think you can help.
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: dawnsh on Tuesday 26 April 16 16:52 BST (UK)
Hi colaine

It helps us if you can include the url of your previous topics such as this

topics now merged
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: shellyesq on Tuesday 26 April 16 17:05 BST (UK)
If you don't have the information already, it might be helpful to get an exact birth date for them.  If they subsequently remarried, it may be easier to find them with a birth date.
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: brionne on Sunday 08 May 16 08:41 BST (UK)
Family Search have the following.

Florrie Barrett Christening 25 Sept 1899
Salterhebbie York England
Father William Barrett
Mother Sarah Anne Barrett

1901 William Barrat b 1856 Bridgenorth, Loom tuner carpet.
         Sarah Barrat wife, b Staffordshire
          6 children incudes
         Florence Barrat age 3 b Halifax
         Jane age 17, Yarn spinner b Kidderminster.Worcs.
Address,41 Cleveland Avenue Halifax Yorks.
         
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Sunday 08 May 16 16:19 BST (UK)
Hi Brionne
Thank you for your reply.Yes this is the right family.
I would love to know really what happened to Jane and Florence after 1921 after they had travelled around the world.
thanks again
Colaine
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: shellyesq on Sunday 08 May 16 18:24 BST (UK)
Perhaps you could work out which births are Florence & Jane on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/.  At least narrowing their birth to a 3-month time frame might help.
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: brionne on Sunday 08 May 16 19:48 BST (UK)
Jane Elizabeth Barrett 1884
Kidderminster 2nd Qtr, 6c  259.

Florence Barrett 1897
Halifax 4th Qtr,  9a   400
Both found Free BDM

However there is another one NOT on Free BMD
Flora Barrett 1897 2nd Qtr
Halifax 9a   447.

Is it feasible that Jane Elizabeth is in fact Florence mother.Stranger things do happen.
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: brionne on Monday 09 May 16 09:06 BST (UK)
Have searched extensively for Jane Elizabeth and Florence after 1927,last positive sailing on the Orduna July 27th Liv to Colon Cuba.[Family Search]
But nothing comes up,that can confirm them.

A few Jane or Jane E Smith disembarking New York 1950s. [Family Search]

Examples,June 29th 1957 Caronia Mrs Jane E Smith,  Britain 901432 born Britain.
355 Guy Park Avenue,Amsterdam New York.
with Ann Smith and Ann R Smith.

Mrs Jane Smith 1st Class Queen Elizabeth Southampton to NY.30 Aug 1955
V-1652712 Britain.
Care/of Mrs J F Stein 40 East  66th St New York.

Its a mystery,hope there is no offense re my comment on above post re Florence parentage,as non was intended.

Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Monday 09 May 16 09:45 BST (UK)
Hi Brionne
Thank you for your interest in my family.
In the 1911 census Sarah an Barrett (my g grandmother) had a boarding house in Blackpool.
Jane E and Florence (Florrie) lived there together with Eldred Smith.
Jane married Eldred in 1912 and he died in 1914.I have a copy of his will and her left his money to his widow (Jane) and a mr Ernest J White ( cashier),
After the death of Eldred the two sisters ( and occasionally mr White)went travelling,mainly too and from Hawaii.
Between1919and 1927 I have 15 ships manifests with their names on.
I also have an 'alien cert'dept of labor for Jane when she arrived in Honolulu in 1922 on the 'sonomo' fromSydney.
My family have told me that one of the sisters married a military man but I can't find any proof. They came to visit us in the early 1940's but we missed them. An auntie told me.  They came from Honolulu and looked very affluent.
Thanks again for your interest

Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: brionne on Monday 09 May 16 13:23 BST (UK)
Thanks for mentioning the 1911 info.

Its certainly tricky trying to nail these two women down.
Notice an Australian marriage for a Florance 1939.
 Possible that either or stayed in the United States,due to their continued visits to Honolulu.
Hopefully not killed at Pearl Harbour,some civilians were. Brionne.
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: rosball on Saturday 21 May 16 22:36 BST (UK)
Have you checked their parents and siblings death notices?  As they were affluent they may have put in quite detailed death notices including their full name and location.

regards
   Ros
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: shellyesq on Sunday 22 May 16 00:07 BST (UK)
There is a list of civilian casualties at Pearl Harbor here - https://www.nps.gov/valr/learn/historyculture/civilian-casualties.htm  No matches there.
Title: Re: Jane E Smith (Barrett) Florence (Flo) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Thursday 02 June 16 20:41 BST (UK)
Hi Shelly
Thanks for your help but I know that the sisters visited England around 1948
So the couldn't have perished in 'Pearl Harbour'
Thanks again for your help.
Title: Jane E Barrett Smith and Florence Barrett
Post by: colaine on Sunday 13 January 19 19:25 GMT (UK)
Hi All
I would like to update you of my findings re the above sisters.
I have now found that Florence married Isaiah McKenzie (police Officer)who was born in Chesterville Ontario Canada in 1905. He lived most of his life in Michigan and they were married in Panama Canal Zone in 1930. He died in Christobel Colon Panama in 1962.
Florence died 1971 Trenton Wayne Michigan .Before she married she travelled (with her sister Jane E Smith) .I have a total of 20 plus voyages they made together.
Hope this is of interest .
Colaine
Title: Re: Jane E Barrett Smith and Florence Barrett
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 13 January 19 19:45 GMT (UK)
Great to have an update - Perhaps it would have been better to post on the orignal threads and then the people who helped you would be more likely to see it.

These seem to be the original threads appertaining to Jane E Barrett Smith and Florence Barrett :-

topics now merged

Sandra
Title: Re: Jane E Barrett Smith and Florence Barrett
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 14 January 19 05:22 GMT (UK)
Hi All
I would like to update you of my findings re the above sisters.
I have now found that Florence married Isaiah McKenzie (police Officer)who was born in Chesterville Ontario Canada in 1905. He lived most of his life in Michigan and they were married in Panama Canal Zone in 1930. He died in Christobel Colon Panama in 1962.
Florence died 1971 Trenton Wayne Michigan .Before she married she travelled (with her sister Jane E Smith) .I have a total of 20 plus voyages they made together.
Hope this is of interest .
Colaine

Hi Colaine,

A couple pieces of the information seem to be off a little bit.

Isaiah's last name appears to be "Mackenzie"

In 1937 & 1941 their address is listed as Colon, Panama

1937 Passenger list: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24KK-RRG

1941 Passenger list: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24LX-5Q2

In 1947 their address is listed as Monroe, Michigan

1947 Passenger list: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:245G-M4H

Isaiah died 16 Jul 1967 in Toledo, Ohio and where he was buried

Death Record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VKLG-KPV

Florence died    02 Oct 1971 in Trenton, Michigan and her death record has place of burial as    Toledo, Ohio. I assume she was buried with Isaiah

Death Record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FH7Z-7S7
Title: Re: Jane E Barrett Smith and Florence Barrett
Post by: colaine on Monday 14 January 19 15:14 GMT (UK)
Thank you.
Title: Re: Jane E Barrett Smith and Florence Barrett
Post by: colaine on Monday 14 January 19 15:17 GMT (UK)
Hi. Could you transfer my post to the other ones please. I don't really know how to do it.  Thanks
Title: Re: Jane E Barrett Smith and Florence Barrett
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 14 January 19 15:21 GMT (UK)

Sure Sarah would be happy to do that for you - send her a pm on this link (left hand margin - send pm)


https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4

Sandra
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: sarah on Monday 14 January 19 16:25 GMT (UK)
All now merged together  :)

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 14 January 19 16:31 GMT (UK)


Thank you Sarah.

Belated Happy, Healthy New Year to you both
Regards
Sandra  ;)
Title: Re: Jane Smith and Florence (Florrie) Barrett
Post by: colaine on Monday 14 January 19 18:20 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all your Help .Happy New Year