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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kerry => Topic started by: fionadeb on Monday 07 May 12 19:28 BST (UK)
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Seeking any info on siblings John, Mary, Garrett, Lizzie Stack in Pittsburgh according to 1913 will of Margaret Stack Riley (their aunt) who died in Stamford, Connecticut . Their father was James Stack of Co. Kerry.
Seeking homeplace in Kerry of this James who had brother Garrett, sisters KAte, Margaret & possibly Elizabeth/ Eliza. All these sisters emigrated to USA. Garrett settled in Ennis, Co. Clare. Any clues leading to their birthplace in Kerry greatly welcome ! Fiona
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What years were these people born ?
Tara
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Hi Tara, sorry I don't have any further info on them. I'm hoping the names might ring a bell with someone. Fiona
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I've been on the trail of James for years now. Trying this as another long shot .... Fiona
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Hi Deb,
Well, what age was Margaret Stack Riley when she died in 1913 (you said you have her will).
Then we have a guideline for the age of her brother James and therefore his children.
Tara
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Don't have actual will - just info from it. However, in 1910 census, she is listed as 58 years old. Assuming her brother James was older as he seems to have stayed in Kerry while all the other siblings left? Could be a false assumption though.... Fiona
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Have you been using irishgenealogy as there are a LOT of Kerry Stack's on it and see can you cross reference the siblings ?
Tara
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I have spent months doing just that to no avail unfortunately ... thanks, Fiona
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Link to USA thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,596612.0/topicseen.html
Possible emigration of 'Garrit Stack' in 1895 as per USA census info but no details given. :-\
There are births
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Ok
on the 1900 Census there is a Garrett Stack in Pennsylvania states born 1870 Ireland
I have found the following Garrett Stack
name: Garret Stack
10 August 1870
Ballylongford, Kerry, Ireland
Father James Stack
Mother Honora Carroll
These are other children born to James Stack and Honora Carroll (most of them are names on your original list)
Mary Stack
22 December 1871
Ballylongford, Kerry, Ireland
Father James Stack
Mother Honora Carroll
Catherine Stack
21 July 1875
Kerry, Ireland
Father James Stack
Mother Honora Carroll
Margaret Stack
1 October 1878
Kerry, Ireland
Father James Stack
Mother Honora Carroll
Elizabeth Stack
17 February 1874
Ballylongford, Kerry, Ireland
Father James Stack
Mother Honora Carroll
John Stack
29 March 1880
Trippol, Kerry, Ireland
Father James Stack
Mother Honora Carroll
Do you think this could be the right family and Ballylongford is the townland that you are looking for ??
Tara
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Tara, this looks promising - thank you very much ! I will cross-reference and check. Fiona
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They were actually from Trippol which shows as Trippul on Googlemaps. I have been there before as it is beautiful, very near Ballybunion Beach and near Beal which is where I stayed in an old converted schoolhouse.
These children are all on irishgenealogy too
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9d67b80043263
Sponsor on this one is Catherine Stack (could this be James' sister Kate)
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/62a4ab0042140
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/b79a840042539
Sponsor on this one is Margaret Stack (could this be James's sister Margaret Stack Riley?)
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9a8df10043588
Fingers crossed Fiona
Tara
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Tara, some of the names/ dates match and others don't. Where did you get the first list from? Fiona
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The first list is from familysearch (the free site), the second from irishgenealogy (also a free site)
When you say they don't match - what do you mean ?
Tara
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Fiona,
Family Search has baptisms from this same couple: Stack/Carroll (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Astack%20%2Bbirth_place%3AKerry%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajames%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ahonora%20%2Bmother_surname%3Acarroll) and Stack/Carrol (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Astack%20%2Bbirth_place%3AKerry%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajames%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ahonora%20%2Bmother_surname%3Acarrol)
which are I think the ones Tara has found.
Garrett though has a different year of birth which is out by a few years.
The other links posted (must be on other thread) also seems as though there is a Clare connection :-\
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Hi Heywood
I'm confused
When you say Garrett has a different year of birth which is out by a few years - what do you mean ?
As far as I was aware I had only posted one with 10th August 1870.
Also where did you see a Clare connection ?
Tara
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When I say the lists don't match, I just mean that some of the info differs e.g can't find this Garrett, Margaret, or Catherine on Irishgenealogy, but it has a James (Jun.) who doesn't feature on Familysearch. The dates for Elizabeth differ - Irishgen says 25 Sep 1873 & FS says 17 Feb 1874. However, I assume it's the same family despite this. Thanks a million for all this. Fiona
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Hi Heywood
I'm confused
When you say Garrett has a different year of birth which is out by a few years - what do you mean ?
As far as I was aware I had only posted one with 10th August 1870.
Also where did you see a Clare connection ?
Tara
Sorry I mean the Garrett in USA censuses
There is a link to the USA thread, in my earlier post and there are then links to other posts elsewhere re the same family. That is where I saw a Clare connection.
It is confusing with the two threads running re USA and Kerry.
Census states that Garrett emigrated 1895 and there is an 1895 Garrit, 21 yrs emigrating to Stamford.
When I first saw that list on FS earlier, I thought it was the family and I can see now in my earlier post I was going to post them but then wondered about Garrett.
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Hi Fiona,
None of these sites are infallable and there will always be times that you will find someone on one site but not another.
It would appear with Elizabeth that there may have been 2.
1873 Elizabeth passing away and the next daughter 1874 being called Elizabeth in her honor (quite common practice for the time).
I sincerly hope this is one and the same family that you are looking for - fingers crossed
Tara
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Hi Heywood
HA It's late at night and I thought I was making mistakes !!
Yes, I looked at those other links. It is confusing when so many people seem to be wanting to track down a Garrett Stack.
If I'm reading it right though, there is one family dealing with a Garrett Stack son of John.............................
and then Fiona looking for Garrett Stack son of James.............
(both Garretts from Kerry, roughly same age, both appearing to settle in Pennsylvania) and I think this is where the confusion is.
Hopefully Fiona has a handle on it now !
Tara
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Sorry for causing confusion by posting on both the Kerry and USA threads. I thought different people might be viewing each! Goodnight for now & thanks for everything. Fiona
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It is difficult with Stack being a popular surname.
Looking again at Ellis Island there is a Kate Stack 18 yrs (Ballylongford) aboard the Teutonic bound for Pittsburgh in July 1895. This age differs by a year from the birth/baptisms found.
There is a Lizzie Stack 20 yrs (residence 'Yrippal') aboard the Teutonic in July 1897 - unfortunately the manifest doesn't match up and you would need to search back and forth for any further information. This is a couple of years different though to the births posted.
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Further info here:
Irish census 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Gullane/Trippul_West/1419661/) has Hanoria Stack in Trippul West.
1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Gullane/Trippul__West/271411/)
has Hanora Stack with daughter Elizabeth 26 yrs
NB: states Hanora has had 6 children but only 2 children are living. :-\
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Thanks, Heywood. The person I am actually searching for is Garrett Stack who was brother of James, father of the Stack siblings in Pittsburgh. I reckon Garrett was born c 1838 - had siblings James, Margaret, Kate/Catherine & possibly Eliza/beth (& maybe more). Didn't know his place of birth in Kerry but it#s looking now like Ballylongford (parish of Ballybunion) based on the info we turned up yesterday. Fiona
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Hi Fiona,
I think I have seen you mention on other threads a Garrett Stack 'tailor' - is is the birthplace of this Garrett that you are trying to track down ??
Tara
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Yes, Tara - that's the guy in question .... I'm pretty sure he's brother of the James Stack you unearthed last night. 8) Did you get to look at any church records when you were down in north Kerry?
Fiona
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My goodness, this is confusing.
So is this your Garrett (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Ennis_No__3/Brewery_Lane/1069888/)?
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Hiya Fiona,
Nope, I have no family branches in Kerry, so HA didn't drag the hubby and kids around churches and graveyeards for that holiday !
Hiya Heywood, I think I am on the same 'wavelength' as Fiona now.
I think I'm right in saying that Fiona's main interest is Garrett the Tailor and has been trying for years to find out the townland he originated in.
Through new info including wills of family members she is pretty sure that James (that we found yesterday in Trippul) is the brother of Garrett.
So I suppose you can say 'find the townland of one brother, you have the townland of the other brother'.
Tara
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Yes, that's him. We knew he was born in Kerry thanks to census info but not where .... ???
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Yes I too am now on the same wavelength - at last.
If only the original request had said that Garrett in Clare was the main interest and not the siblings and their father James. ;)
As you say - no Kerry birthplace. I found the children on FS and some grave inscriptions but no marriage for Garrett Stack and Ellen Halloran. :(
Tara seems to have found them though, thank goodness.
best wishes
heywood
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Hi Heywood, I posted queries re Garrett on message boards a number of times over the past few years and got no replies at all. So I decided to try the James' offspring route yesterday and I'm glad I did as it has finally turned up trumps thanks to you and Tara.
I have all the info on Garrett once he arrived in Clare - he married Ellen in Ennis cathedral in 1858 - and I have all the details of their children, & other descendents. The brick wall was in identifying where in Kerry he had come from. Thanks again.
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That's brilliant! I'm really pleased for you. :)
As Tara says- sometimes it's too late at night - but thankfully she got you there. :)
good luck
heywood
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Thanks, Heywood. Here's hoping the gaps in the records continue to be filled in. I am involved in transcribing gravestones and old school registers so am trying to do my bit. :D :) ;)
Goodnight.
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Aw, thanks guys !
I'm not great with district names for Kerry but Trippul seems to be the area named on most of the family's paperwork.
I'm wondering as one or two say Ballylongford.....is Trippul classed as a townland in the district of Ballylongford ?
Maybe someone can pinpoint this for you !
Best of Luck
Tara
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Apologies for reviving an old thread, but I am also researching Stacks from Kerry who emigrated to Pittsburgh. I don't know if there's any relation to your stacks, but my Stacks came from Ballybunion and at least two of the siblings went to Pittsburgh around 1880. The two that went were Honora Stack, born in 1857 and Philip Stack, born in 1860. Both were the children of Philip Stack and Mary Molony.