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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Loulou330 on Monday 07 May 12 21:24 BST (UK)
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Hi -
I am trying to find any information about a Maria Chappell born 1862 in Stogumber. There is a connection to the Perry family through Maria's marriage to Walter Perry in June 1901. Walter and Maria had a daughter Lydia.
It is known that Lydia had three children whom she may have given up for adoption, before being adopted the little family spent some time in the Liverpool area - is there anyone out there who may be able to help?
Many thanks
Loulou330
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Hi
Not sure if you already have this information, apologies if so...
1871 Census England Somerset Stogumber
RG10/2355/18/30
Vellow
CHAPPELL
John Head Marr 39 Carpenter Master Somerset Stogumber
Mary Ann Wife Marr 38 Somerset Stogumber
Elizabeth Ann Dau Unmarr 16 House Maid out of Situation Somerset Stogumber
William John Son Unmarr 19 Carpenter Somerset Stogumber
Charles Henry Son Unmarr 11 Farmer's Work Boy Somerset Stogumber
Lydia Dau Unmarr 11 Scholar Somerset Stogumber
Maria Dau Unmarr 9 Scholar Somerset Stogumber
Frank Son Unmarr 4 Somerset Stogumber
Albert Son Unmarr 2 Somerset Stogumber
Alice Mary Dau Unmarr 6mths Somerset Stogumber
John George LOVELL Apprentice Unmarr 18 Carpenter's Apprentice Somerset Stogumber
Cheers
Karenlee
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Marriage 22nd June 1901 in Stogursy Somerset shows that Maria CHAPPELL was 39 and Walter PERRY was 28. Father's were Joseph PERRY and John CHAPPELL. So looks like the above family is correct... even with sister Lydia as a huge clue.
Cheers
Karenlee
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1901 Census England Somerset Stogursey
RG13/2264/35/10
The Well
PERRY
Sarah J Head Wid 62 Somerset Stogursey
Walter Son Unmarr 26 Agricultural Labourer Somerset Stogursey
Frederick Son Unmarr 19 Agricultural Labourer Somerset Stogursey
Maria CHAPPELL Visitor Unmarr 39 Servant Domestic Somerset Stogumber
Karenlee
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Maria may have died pre 1911 as she does not appear to be with Walter and their 2 children.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Thank you very much for your help Karenlee - I will speak to my friend and see where Maria was after 1911 as she definitely had not died.
Many thanks again,
Loulou330
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Your Rootschat message has been forwarded to me after my search was printed in the Slough Observer last week, so with great interest and excitement I registered in order to find you. I have the information previously stated regarding Maria but my search is actually for the names of children of Lydia Perry (married name Scarsbrook) who was the daughter of Maria Chappell and Walter Perry.
My father is one of the children mentioned in your message and he can remember two other small children although he does not have any names as he was only 3 when taken into care.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Cazy
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Hi Cazy - I think we could easily talk off-line lol
Loulou
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Hi Loulou
I'm a descendant of John and Mary Ann Chappell. My great grandfather and grandmother. My grand father, also John Chappell, born 1875, was the younger brother of Maria Chappell. There were 12 children. The youngest of the 12, Earnest, wrote his memoirs of life in Vellow, near Stogumber. The old house is still there, I've been there. My late aunt, father's sister, passed away a few years ago, but she gave me a wealth of info about her aunts and uncles. I'll look Maria up.
John, my grandfather, had children later in life. Early 1900's, he came to Bristol looking for work, as did a few of the family.
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Hi lanc1963
Many thanks for your reply, I look forward to hearing from you. My enquiry is for a friend so I will pass on your message tomorrow.
The lady we seek name was Lydia Perry and she was the daughter of Maria. Lydia lived and worked for many year for a Vicar and it a picture of her my friend would like more than anything. I hope this little bit of info rings some bells with you.
Many thanks and best wishes,
Loulou
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Loulou, I won't have a picture of Lydia, but I have got a family photo of John, Mary Ann and the 12 children, obviously including Maria.
I'll see what other info I have on Maria, in case it throws up any leads on Lydia.
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Lovely thank you.
loulou
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I've got some info on Maria.
Maria died on 20th June 1905 and was buried at Avon View Cemetery, Bristol in a family grave with her mother and father. Address with Walter Perry is Unity Buildings, Trowbridge, Wiltshire.
I've got nothing on any children of Maria and Walter. I've got the "In Loving memory" card. There's mention of her being daughter to John and Mary Ann and beloved wife of Walter Perry, but no mention of her being "mother".
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Hi, thank you for your information I will pass it on to my friend. I don't know whether she would be interested but if she is, would you have an electronic copy to pass on if she would like to see the "In Loving Memory" card?
It is a very sad and heartbreaking situation for my friend's father who would just like see a picture of his mother Lydia, daughter of Maria and Walter, but perhaps there are no surviving pictures of her. We do know that she was very involved in Church work at Eton but that's as far as the information goes. Carol has been in touch with a local researcher but nothing more was discovered really
Thank you very again on behalf of my friend Carol for your information.
Loulou330
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I am happy to scan the "In Loving Memory" card.
With regard to the family grave, Avon View Cemetery is only a couple of miles away from me. Maria's father John Chappell (passed away 4/9/1903), her mother Mary Ann Chappell (passed away 12/2/1926) and her sister Lydia Chappell (passed away 16/1/1925), are all interred in the family grave.
I am now wondering if the family grave is still there and intend to find out.
Out of curiosity, I also found the 1911 census for Walter Perry. It took some finding because Lydia's name was spelt as Liddia. It seems that Walter had left Bristol and returned to Stogursey, Somerset with Lydia and lived with his younger brother Frederick at the postal address The Cross, Stogursey.
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Thank you, I'll pass on your info to Carol.
I'll keep in touch
Regards
Loulou330
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Hello Ianc1963
I am also a direct descendant of John and Mary Ann Chappell. My great grandfather was Charles Chappell.
I have a photograph of the family in a formal setting. Is this the same as yours? There are 11 children on mine. I'd love to know why this photo was taken.
I'm very interested to read that one of the sons wrote a memoir of Vellow and that their house is still standing. Could you tell me more about this? The house Charles lived in when married (in nearby Stogumber) is no longer there.
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Hello Ianc1963
I am also a direct descendant of John and Mary Ann Chappell. My great grandfather was Charles Chappell.
I have a photograph of the family in a formal setting. Is this the same as yours? There are 11 children on mine. I'd love to know why this photo was taken.
I'm very interested to read that one of the sons wrote a memoir of Vellow and that their house is still standing. Could you tell me more about this? The house Charles lived in when married (in nearby Stogumber) is no longer there.
Hi, that sounds like it could be the same family photo I have. I don't know where it was taken or why
but I'm sure I was once told they weren't all together in the same place too often. Maybe it was before they all left Vellow, Stogumber?
Anyway, it's good to hear from a distant relative!
I was last in Vellow 8 or 9 years back. I also visited as a child in the early 1970's. There is a pottery work shop there and the same guy was still there that my mother and father spoke to in the 70's. His premises was originally the blacksmiths years back and he knew a lot of history. Our families property was the mill house, where there was a sawing pit and workshop for the wheelright occupation of John Chappell. They guy in the pottery identified the house for me. It was badly run down and there were trees and overgrown bushes practically hiding the property. Looking at Google satellite view now, it seems it has been bought and restored.
I'm hoping this link works Dropped pin
near Stogumber, Somerset TA4
http://goo.gl/maps/rG04z
So I'm guessing here. If Charles is your great grandfather, is your grandmother Mabel? I've got a 1911 census which shows Charles, Caroline, Mabel and Violet living at 61 Vicarage Road, Whitehall, Bristol. That's only a couple of miles from me, in fact I drove passed that road yesterday.
It looks like quite a few of the family came to Bristol and all lived quite close in the Whitehall and Redfield areas.
Btw, I'm Ian Chappell. My dad, Clifford Chappell is the son of John Chappell (born 1875) who is Charles brother. No idea what that makes us!! It seems there was a long line of John's in the paternal line.
I've got a fair bit on the family. It was 12 children, one died at birth. I understand Charles had a twin sister Lydea.
It was the youngest, Ernest, who wrote the memoirs. My mother typed them up in the 70's. Ernest was the only one I met. My dad's sister Eileen, who only passed away a few years ago, gave me loads of info on all the brothers and sisters, ie her aunts and uncles, she had an incredible retention of names, dates and places. Fortunately I spent an afternoon with her writing it all down.
Sounds like we need to share info and even get in touch?
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Hello Ianc 1963
Thank you for your quick reply. It's very good to hear from you. My sister and I have done quite a bit of work here and there on the family tree.
We are Mabel's granddaughters. The family stayed living at 61 Vicarage Rd until 1980! Mabel passed away in 1987 at the age of 99.
I need to make 3 posts before I can send a private reply. I'm sure there is much we could share.
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Btw, I'm Ian Chappell. My dad, Clifford Chappell is the son of John Chappell (born 1875) who is Charles brother. No idea what that makes us!! It seems there was a long line of John's in the paternal line.
I've got a fair bit on the family. It was 12 children, one died at birth. I understand Charles had a twin sister Lydea.
It was the youngest, Ernest, who wrote the memoirs. My mother typed them up in the 70's. Ernest was the only one I met. My dad's sister Eileen, who only passed away a few years ago, gave me loads of info on all the brothers and sisters, ie her aunts and uncles, she had an incredible retention of names, dates and places. Fortunately I spent an afternoon with her writing it all down.
Hello lanc1963,
I am interested in the BENNETT family of Bristol, and wondered if the Eileen you mention above is the daughter of John CHAPPELL and Edith Annie BENNETT? If so, I would love to see how we can share information.
I have a copy of the death certificate of Ethel BENNETT 1979, whose informant was Clifford N CHAPPELL, who could be the father you mention above.
Fingers crossed :)
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Hello Ianc1963
Hello Ian
I'm sorry it has taken me so long to get back to this. I find the site quite confusing and I have been very busy.
I hope you see this. I'd love to share more info with you about the Chappell family. I know they all lived in Newtown near Trinity church and Lawrence Hill when they first moved to Bristol. I think Charles Chappell and his wife were the last ones to make the move.
Hope to hear from you.
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Hello Pax158,
I sent you a private message with my personal email address - have you received it?
Yvonne