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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Jerik24 on Sunday 20 May 12 13:32 BST (UK)
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Hi I was wondering if anyone can help. I am new to RootsChat so not sure if I am doing this right. I am currently doing my family tree and a lot of my family were born in Pomarium. Does anyone have any information they can give me on Pomarium I am from Perth so I know where it was etc, but have been unable to find out what it looked like/what it was like before it was taken down and the flats were put up. If anyone can help with any information would be such a great help. My family lived there from about 1870 - 1915. Thanks Jeri :)
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Hi,
Have never seen a photograph of Pomarium but the attached etching might be of interest
regards,
dixons
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We were told that Pomarium (orchard) had been the area opposite the present-day bus station. Check with the Local History section in the Library.
Isis (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Hi All
From memory if you stand in the main carpark for the library and look at the hotel in front of you.
To you right is a row of shops and a Chinese restaurant and a carpark this was the pomarium orchard.
I remember collecting pears in the early sixties from here to us kids it didn't matter whether they were hard or soft they were our's and free.
http://maps.nls.uk/atlas/bartholomew/view/?id=1210
If you use the above link zoom in the pomarium orchard was from memory bounded by Pomarium street, Leonard street and Hospital street.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi,
It may be of little interest, but my 2nd Cousin twice removed, Robina (Henderson) Cuthbert, her husband James and their 4 children lived in 80 Pomarium Street from 1890 until they emigrated to New York State, USA in 1902. Robina and her siblings and parents Andrew and Helen (Marshall) Henderson lived and farmed on Moncrieff Island [the present golf course, I think] and James Cuthbert hailed from Craigie Village, near Blairgowrie.
Cheers,
DDJJAKE
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Hi I was wondering if anyone can help. I am new to Rootsweb so not sure if I am doing this right. I am currently doing my family tree and a lot of my family were born in Pomarium. Does anyone have any information they can give me on Pomarium I am from Perth so I know where it was etc, but have been unable to find out what it looked like/what it was like before it was taken down and the flats were put up. If anyone can help with any information would be such a great help. My family lived there from about 1870 - 1915. Thanks Jeri :)
Hello,
My great grandfather (James Petrie Duncan) and family were living at 12 Pomarium in the 1911 census. There is a full page photo of Pomarium as it was in the 1930s in the book "Lost Perth" by Jeremy Duncan (no relation as far as I know).
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Thank you all for replying. All your comments have been very helpful :)
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The 1848 map of Perth shows the arrangement of houses in Pomarium.
Scan down the web-page
http://www.borenich.co.uk/Ross_Document/John%20Douglas%20of%20Domnaheich.html
Throth
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My grandfather John McGregor resided at 83 Pomarium Street before 1903.
My grandmother Helen (Fenton) McGregor passed away at her brother's, John Fenton, 85 Pomarium Street in 1926.
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Have never seen a photograph of Pomarium but the attached etching might be of interest
Hi Dixons,
Do you have a date for the etching please?
It's a beauty & so like a photo...very good indeed!
Annie
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I've just found this old photo online.
(My Gt x 4 Grandfather Alexander Moncrieff lived at 'West Side Pomarium', Perth in 1841)
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/fascinating-collection-old-images-perth-9615869
(https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article9615825.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/old-pic.jpg)
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Nice photograph. Thanks.
It looks as if the houses are just about to be demolished, so the photo was taken just in time. Is there a date? After the last war, when everything was in short supply, hoardings made of doors were not uncommon.
By the way, here is an odd thought. We are assuming that Pomarium means that the area had once been an orchard, but is there any evidence? If the word was originally Pomerium instead, then it may have meant 'outside the city walls', or maybe it denoted an area of land belonging to one of the religious orders, like the Pomerium of Rome.
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Hi
There was an orchard there Lots of apples and pears early sixties. I believe what was left of the orchard that once belonged to the monks that built king James hospital. The orchard is just out of shot on the left hand side it was where the shops and Chinese restaurant are
Looking at that photo again that road is still there it runs behind the bus station and there are multi storey flats on the right and I think the photo is taken from the road that comes down between the Queens hotel and the bus station.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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I've just found this old photo online.
(My Gt x 4 Grandfather Alexander Moncrieff lived at 'West Side Pomarium', Perth in 1841)
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/fascinating-collection-old-images-perth-9615869
(https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article9615825.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/old-pic.jpg)
What a lovely pic! I can't fathom why those buildings were demolished as the brickwork etc. is beautiful unlike the site of the now Pomarium Flats which are an eyesore in every aspect!
Annie
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It looks as if the houses are just about to be demolished, so the photo was taken just in time. Is there a date? After the last war, when everything was in short supply, hoardings made of doors were not uncommon.
By the way, here is an odd thought. We are assuming that Pomarium means that the area had once been an orchard, but is there any evidence? If the word was originally Pomerium instead, then it may have meant 'outside the city walls', or maybe it denoted an area of land belonging to one of the religious orders, like the Pomerium of Rome.
What a lovely pic! I can't fathom why those buildings were demolished as the brickwork etc. is beautiful unlike the site of the now Pomarium Flats which are an eyesore in every aspect!
Annie
Hi
There was an orchard there Lots of apples and pears early sixties. I believe what was left of the orchard that once belonged to the monks that built king James hospital. The orchard is just out of shot on the left hand side it was where the shops and Chinese restaurant are
Looking at that photo again that road is still there it runs behind the bus station and there are multi storey flats on the right and I think the photo is taken from the road that comes down between the Queens hotel and the bus station.
Yours Aye
BruceL
Throth. I Found this info below online about the new blocks of flats, built by Wimpey and 'approved for construction in 1958'. So guessing the date of the old photo would have been the 1950's
Annie. Yes love those old large stone blocks and the stone edge windows in the old photo
Bruce. Yes, an old orchard used by monks it says here too
https://canmore.org.uk/collection/692154
...The Pomarium Street development was approved for construction in 1958. It comprises one eleven-storeyed tower block and one eight-storeyed slab block. They were built by Wimpey Construction using 'No-fines' concrete (made without fine sand or gravel). This shows the two blocks of flats together. They are built of similar components, but in different compositions. Both blocks have the same balcony designs, and patterns achieved by rows of windows. The lower block has an open utility area beneath it. The name Pomarium Street derives from the ancient use of this area as an orchard or pomarium growing fruits for the use of the monks of the nearby Carthusian Monastery. This was destroyed after the Reformation (1559), but the name survives to this day.
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I have photos from 1930 and 1955 but this site wont allow decent size files. If you send me your email address ill send them on to you. Thanks
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David,
You are allowed to add images upto 900kb, our members have no problem with this you just re-size them.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi ive just tried and had the message from your site saying 500K is a maximum.
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It was 500k but it is not 900k
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David, when you go attach an image on a post, you will see the following on the screen re restrictions. If you would like to keep to a size of up 500k for every image, suggest you post each image in a separate post:
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I've just found this discussion which is such an insight into those days. My great-great grandfather William Rattray Allan was born in 49 Pomarium in 1855. I am in the process of discovering if he later became Lord Provost of Perth as we have a photo of him in full regalia.
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Hi Richard
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Was there more than one William with that full name? This here details one with an 1858 birth https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10070999
Added: www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQL4-GDD must be the same William (not just women who can loose some years along the way ::)). Same day and month, just year is different (1858 v. 1855).
Monica
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One paper's report of his death gives some background for him (Dundee Courier 7 August 1933):
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Apparently my 4th Great Grandfather was born in Pomarium St, Perthshire, Scotland.
This was Peter Patrick BARRIE in 12 JAN 1798