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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: cyclamen on Wednesday 23 May 12 20:15 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find information about John Irwin, father of Joseph Irwin who married Margaret Wray on 22nd May 1873 in 1st Dunboe Pres Church.
Joseph Irwin was a merchant in Newtownlimavady. John Irwin was a miller.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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Hi, you may already be aware but John Irwin left a Will, a copy of which is held in PRONI
REF: D1118/14/I/5
1895
John Irwin of Roemill, Limavady, miller, probate copy of will and letters of administration.
Regards
Joe
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Griffiths Valuation for 1858 has a James Irwin with a house, corn & flax mill plus 33 acres (plot 9a), in the townland of Drummond just outside Limavady. There was a John Irwin living adjacent in a house & gdn in plot 9e. Same family perhaps?
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Thanks to both of you. I wasn't aware of the will in PRONI. It does sound like the right person.
The John in Drummond could well be the same family. Unfortunately there are a lot of Irwins in the Limavady area at this time.
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The John in Drummond could well be the same family. Unfortunately there are a lot of Irwins in the Limavady area at this time.
Yes, but I wouldn't expect too many of them to be millers.
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I think this John who died 9th June 1895 is actually a brother of Joseph who married Margaret Wray and not the father.
I looked at John Irwin’s will yesterday and found that John had two brothers. Henry Irwin who was a woollen draper and Joseph Irwin who was in business with his brother. The firm was called J and J Irwin. According to the will his wife was called Susan. I have the marriage of John Irwin who married Susan Gault on 30th July 1878. John’s residence at the time of marriage was Ballyleaghery and Susan was from Terrydrum.
So it looks as though I am still hunting for the father!
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I have a little bit of information about this: The John Irwin whose 1895 will you mention actually had 7 siblings: Joseph, Henry, xxx (died young), Robert, James, Elizabeth, William. Their father was John who died in 1873.
The elder John's wife was Mary Ann Chambers, she died in 1903. John came to Glen Mills (mill and farm in Ballymully townland) in 1872 just a year before he died.
The William mentioned above was my great-grandfather.
Glen Mills is still in our family today, owned by my brother and still a working mill.
(This is from notes compiled by my cousin many years ago: I don't know what they were based on and have not cross-checked against official sources. Some of it will have been recollections of my grandfather William who died in 1983.)
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Welcome to Rootschat.
This is likely some of your family- "Irwin William of Glen Mills Limavady county Londonderry farmer and mill owner died 17 April 1931 Probate Londonderry 10 July to William Irwin farmer and mill owner. Effects £2814 6s." see www.proni.gov.uk
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Thanks for the information about John Irwin who died 1895.
I have the marriage of a William Irwin who married Mary Fleming on 3rd July 1918 in Balteagh. He was a farmer as was his father William Irwin. Place of residence for William Irwin the younger is given as Ballyleighery. Could this be your William?
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Yes, the younger William was my grandfather. The marriage date you give matches the note I have to the day, and Mary Fleming was his wife (she went by "Minnie").
As for the townland I can't remember now whether it is Ballymully or Ballyleighery (also spelled Ballyleagry). I will have to ask my dad who still lives there. Anyway the two are adjacent.
Also the PRONI will record mentioned by aghadowey would be for the older William, my great-grandfather. I didn't previously know his date of death.
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William Irwin who died on 17th April 1931 was aged 80. His son William was present at death.
This must be his marriage. William Irwin of Glen Mills Ballyleighery married Sarah Ross also of Ballyleighery on 29th March 1888. William's father was given as John Irwin, a farmer. I was only able to find one child of this marriage. William Irwin who was born 1st July 1891.
I have more information about your family. If you make one more posting I will be able to send you a P.M.
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Hi,
William Irwin, son of William Irwin and Sarah Ross, married Mary Fleming on 3 Jul 1918 in Balteagh Presbyterian Church.
Regards
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Thanks cyclamen. Obligatory third post here to enable PM.
I also can send you what I have about John Irwin's forebears, although it is sketchy - some names, very few dates.
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Hi
I have tried to send a PM to Forestial but no reply. I am trying to gather information about the Irwin family from Limavady. Annie Mary Irwin born 1st July 1879 died 1967 was my husband's grandmother. She was the elder daughter of John Irwin (died 9th June 1895) and Susan Gault. Her younger brother Fred was killed in WW1 and is remembered on the memorial in Limavady. We have a lovely picture of Fred commissioned after he died. I would be interested in any genealogy that anyone has about the above John Irwin's family.
Thank you
Mo
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There's quite a bit of information about John Irwin already posted on this thread. Is there something in particular that you are looking for?
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I sent a PM to Forestial who had intimated in reply 6 of this thread, that he had some notes on the family which had been compiled by cousins years ago. I haven't heard anything from him and thought that perhaps if he no longer visited the site he may have passed on information to someone else.
I have photos of John Irwin and Susan Gault's family which might be of interest to other Irwin family members.
Mo
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PM reply sent to Mo37.
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Hi,
I have some details of Fred Irwin. When he died he was a 2nd Lieutenant in the 9th Batallion of the Royal Enniskillen Fusiliers. He was awarded the Military Medal. He died on 16 August 1917 and is buried in the New Irish Farm Cemetery just north of Ypres. He is commemorated on a plaque in Limavady 2nd Presbyterian Church as well as the Limavady War Memorial. His parents, John Irwin and Susan Gault were married in Largy Presbyterian Church in 1878.
Regards
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This is a photograph of the portrait of 2nd Lieutenant Fred Irwin which we have.
Mo
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Hi,
The ribbon he is wearing looks like that of the Military Medal.
Regards
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Yes, he did get Military Medal-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/rohpci/rohlimavady2.html
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William Irwin who died on 17th April 1931 was aged 80. His son William was present at death.
This must be his marriage. William Irwin of Glen Mills Ballyleighery married Sarah Ross also of Ballyleighery on 29th March 1888. William's father was given as John Irwin, a farmer. I was only able to find one child of this marriage. William Irwin who was born 1st July 1891.
I have more information about your family. If you make one more posting I will be able to send you a P.M.
cyclamen - please see this link. I am unsure what William and Sarah Ross' relationship to my 3rd great grandfather John Irwin was. http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Irwin-1401
But William and Sarah definately took over the house of 3 acres with corn mill, buying the property on mortgage from Henry Lecky ion 1896. John Irwin was my 3rd great grandfather, who was married to his lessors sister Margaret Lavinia Forsythe (Lessor was Samuel Forsythe Junior) and his son my 2nd great grandfather was also John Irwin, who married Mary Jane Caldwell in Bovevagh in 1871 then in 1887 married Annie Pollock in Scotland. John Irwin senior died 1872, and his son John junior is on the valuation rolls until 1886. I have reconstructed both their lives after much research and Ulster Ancestry research reports. John Senior was not always a corn miller, he was a farmer until 1870, when suddenly his fortunes changed and he was able to upgrade from a small holding of only 1 rood 20 perches to the massive by comparison 3 acre 3 rood farm. Later the farm was downsized to 1 acre 20 roods and this is what William and Wife bought. John Junior was a jopiner by trade, and he made a number of trips to Dalziel where there were a number of coal mines. John could make alot of extra money buiulding support structures for the mines and did so which may have accounted for the change in fortunes. ANy way, check the site because I have tracked most of Johna and John Juniors kids and siblings. One branch I know is ion Australia and one is in London. This is a difficult family because they went all over the place, and the destruction of many Irish records has made it hard to track them in Ulster, but not so much in Scotland in the 1880s. I think William might have been another son of John Senior, but I found no record of his birth.
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Looking at William and Sarah's marriage, we can see William of Glen Mills was born around 1867, in Londonderry, to a father named John Irwin who was a farmer.
The only WIlliam born to father John Irwin around 1887 is a William born in Carrick/Boveva to John Irwin and Jane Hutton.
John Irwin (probably born around 1844) and Jane Hutton were married in Dungiven 1864. Of note John's father was another John Irwin probably born around 1824.
Witness 2 to this marriage is a Levinia Hutton. Besides my Lavinia, this is the first other Levenia I have come across on a parish record from Ireland
I am not sure how all this fits together. My John Irwin Senior was born around 1824, but his son John was born 1854 and later married to Mary jane Caldwell in 1871 and he was a bachelor who had not been married before. John Senior's wife was Lavinia FORYSTHE, but since I have no marriage record I have no idea, all I have are her kids marriage records that say her last name was Forsythe.
Certainly Wialliam's father and grandfather knew my family, and were most probably cousins.
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Other docs discussed.
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Of course the old family saying "there's a right way, a wrong way, and the Irvine way" would not seem to apply given my spelling.
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Well here are the Glen Mills Irwins as far as I can put the family togther based on what was discussed on this forum. I spoke to forrestal and got some more stuff, and I also got some documents of roots ie. Still not sure if and how my Great Great Grandfather John Irwin was related to William Irwin and Sarah Ross, who bought his cornmill and farm in 1898, which is now Glen Mills.
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My tree for comparison
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Glen Mills to John Irwin