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Title: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: rosebakertree on Thursday 24 May 12 15:11 BST (UK)
One of my forefathers had a clothier shop/business in Cateaton Street, (now Gresham Street), London, in 1817. Does anyone have access to a street directory for this period? His name was George Randall, although he may just have been a partner. Any help much appreciated.
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: Sharon01 on Tuesday 29 May 12 07:08 BST (UK)
Hi,

The 1808 London Post office Directory has a George & William Randall, clothier, Lothbury.

See link fro Lothbury

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham_Street

Sharon
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: rosebakertree on Tuesday 29 May 12 14:48 BST (UK)
Hi Sharon,
Many thanks for that, must be the same person, probably working with brother William. Thanks again. Tony Randall
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: jennifer c on Wednesday 30 May 12 00:16 BST (UK)
1811 Holdens Directory
George & William Randall 8 Old Jewry - Clothiers

Jennifer
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: Chris Doran on Wednesday 30 May 12 01:44 BST (UK)
1825 Pigot's Directory has "Randall, Wm. 2 Charlotte St, Pimlico" under "Tailors etc." also tailors A.F. and John Randall, but no sign of a George unless he was by then a cabinet maker or feather maker.
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: rosebakertree on Wednesday 30 May 12 07:45 BST (UK)
Thanks also Jenifer and Chris, just the information I wanted. As a matter of interest, George was apparently born in Wilton, Wiltshire, married 1802, Salisbury, had his first child 1817, again in Salisbury, but alongside the birth entry was this mysterious note 'Clothier, Ch. Passage, Cateaton St.' unusual because no other entries had notes referring to the occupation & address of parents. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: RobinRedBreast on Saturday 15 July 17 11:00 BST (UK)
Hello There,

One of my 5x Great Grandad's William Spooner lived in Cateaton Street, in 1811. This is according to his Marriage Licence Certificate, dated the 26th of December 1811. He married Catherine Hodgkin, on that date, in Edenham, Lincolnshire.
Can anyone please find him in a London Directory, for this time/ around these dates? It would be much appreciated, thank you.
I don't know his occupation at that time. But I do know that he became a Linen Draper, when his first child, Frederick was born in 1814. I think his address, in 1814, was Henry Street, Pentonville.
By 1817/1818, he had moved to Chiswell Street. This is only half a mile away from Cateaton Street.

Any information would be gratefully accepted.

Thank you very much.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 15 July 17 11:28 BST (UK)
Re William Spooner, there is a man of that name in an 1811 London Directory, proprietor of a "Manchester" warehouse at 23 Lawrence Lane, Cheapside. "Manchester" was (and still is in Australia) a generic term for household linen and cotton goods.
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: RobinRedBreast on Saturday 15 July 17 11:33 BST (UK)
Re William Spooner, there is a man of that name in an 1811 London Directory, proprietor of a "Manchester" warehouse at 23 Lawrence Lane, Cheapside. "Manchester" was (and still is in Australia) a generic term for household linen and cotton goods.

Thanks very much for that. I'd never heard the term "Manchester" relating to household linen, and cotton goods. I think Cheapside was right near Cateaton street, wasn't it?

Cheers.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 15 July 17 14:40 BST (UK)
this mysterious note 'Clothier, Ch. Passage, Cateaton St.'

Another Randall at "Ch(urch) Passage" -
London Gazette
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/16612/page/1154

see last entry col 2
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 15 July 17 14:46 BST (UK)
Old Bailey trials

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18020918-47-defend379&div=t18020918-47#highlight

Another Randall at Cateaton Street
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 15 July 17 14:57 BST (UK)
London Gazette - William Spooner
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/17078/page/2257

2nd entry, col 1.
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 15 July 17 15:03 BST (UK)
The London gazette has other entries for William - 12 Mar 1816 and 30 Nov 1811

You can search the Gazette on line (I have limited my searches to 1810-1820).
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 15 July 17 15:08 BST (UK)
The Gazette has 5 entries for a Richard Randall 1810-1820
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: RobinRedBreast on Sunday 16 July 17 05:17 BST (UK)
London Gazette - William Spooner
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/17078/page/2257

2nd entry, col 1.

Thank you very much indeed. I think there is a good chance this may be my William: The earliest reference I can find to him being a Linen Draper in Chiswell Street, is via the: "Old Bailey Online Proceedings" dated the 29th of May 1816. This was when Thomas Bruce was indicted for stealing four handkerchiefs from him. I know what a Warehouseman is but what is a: "Factor" please?
He was put down as that in the 1816 bankruptcy proceeding.

Thank you.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 16 July 17 09:07 BST (UK)
If you google "old occupations" you can check out "factor" at different sites or google "factor wikipedia"
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: RobinRedBreast on Sunday 16 July 17 13:12 BST (UK)
Re William Spooner, there is a man of that name in an 1811 London Directory, proprietor of a "Manchester" warehouse at 23 Lawrence Lane, Cheapside. "Manchester" was (and still is in Australia) a generic term for household linen and cotton goods.

Hello There,

I wander if you could possibly tell me please what website this is from/ post a link to it?
Or is it only viewable on Find My Past or Ancestry, where you have to pay a subscription to view it?

Thanks.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 16 July 17 14:31 BST (UK)
It's in Holden's London and Country Directory 1811, volume 1, which I don't think is available online other than through a subscription site. It is also available to purchase on CD.

Incidentally I have just noticed a Wm Spooner, 18 Henry Street, Pentonville in the private residents directory of the same volume.
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: RobinRedBreast on Sunday 16 July 17 15:07 BST (UK)
It's in Holden's London and Country Directory 1811, volume 1, which I don't think is available online other than through a subscription site. It is also available to purchase on CD.

Incidentally I have just noticed a Wm Spooner, 18 Henry Street, Pentonville in the private residents directory of the same volume.

So there is one section for private residents, and one for business addresses?
When his Son, F W Spooner was born in 1814, he was down as being born at Henry Street, Pentonville.
Does this mean that both William Spooner's might not be the same person? Or is there still a chance that they could?   ::)
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: RobinRedBreast on Sunday 16 July 17 15:12 BST (UK)
It's in Holden's London and Country Directory 1811, volume 1, which I don't think is available online other than through a subscription site. It is also available to purchase on CD.

Incidentally I have just noticed a Wm Spooner, 18 Henry Street, Pentonville in the private residents directory of the same volume.

So there is one section for private residents, and one for business addresses?
When his Son, F W Spooner was born in 1814, he was down as being born at Henry Street, Pentonville.
Does this mean that both William Spooner's might not be the same person? Or is there still a chance that they could?   ::)

Thank you anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: RobinRedBreast on Sunday 16 July 17 20:16 BST (UK)
But then again I suppose if William Spooner was the Proprietor of that business, he would automatically be put down as the owner of that business at the address in the 1811 Directory.

And it would make sense that he would have a different residential address and not have been living in his own Warehouse.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 17 July 17 17:48 BST (UK)
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So there is one section for private residents, and one for business addresses?

Yes that's correct. It could quite possibly be the same person.
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: RobinRedBreast on Tuesday 18 July 17 08:11 BST (UK)
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So there is one section for private residents, and one for business addresses?

Yes that's correct. It could quite possibly be the same person.

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: RobinRedBreast on Thursday 20 July 17 19:30 BST (UK)
Is there also an 1809 and 1810 Holden's Directory of London?

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: CarolineMcG on Monday 24 January 22 13:29 GMT (UK)
I have also found a clothier in Cateaton Street: Wood and Downing. Can anyone help with more information, please? Was the Wood named Richard Wood, and did the Downing have any connection with a clothier in Melksham, Wilts at around the same time?
Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 24 January 22 13:40 GMT (UK)
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Wood and Downing. Can anyone help with more information, please? Was the Wood named Richard Wood

Richard Wood and Zachariah Downing. Partnership dissolved in 1795.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/14040/page/828

Title: Re: Cateaton Street Clothier
Post by: CarolineMcG on Monday 24 January 22 15:01 GMT (UK)
Thank you SO much Shaun. I have only just joined this site and to get a reply in a few minutes is incredible and so much appreciated