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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland Resources => Topic started by: shanew147 on Monday 25 January 10 15:14 GMT (UK)
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Updated Sept 2016
Please read Joy's update on this link here first http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755569.0
Summary of how to order certs :
1. download the order form from the GRO website and print it out
2. fill in your address and credit card details on the form
3. on a separate sheet put the references of the certs you require, and also mention you require research certs.
4. post the order to GRO Head Office in Roscommon
Full civil registration of Births, Marriages & Deaths started in Ireland in 1864. In addition non-Catholic marriages were registered between 1845 and 1863. An online index to these is available on the Irish Civil Index (http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c8o/) on familysearch.
You can search the registrations for all Ireland up to 1922, and for Republic of Ireland up to 1958.
Certs are available by post from the GRO. Download the order form from the GRO website - see : http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm
Ignore the extra details on the form, e.g. R.S.I. number, and just enter your own name, address and credit card information, plus the following details for each cert you require :
Name
Record Type (e.g. Birth)
Registration District
Year/quarter (*)
Volume No.
Page No.
* Prior to 1878 only the year is available on the index. The other details listed on the FamilySearch index (film, image no. etc) are LDS internal references, and not required by the GRO.
You can attach a separate sheet of paper with the references mentioned above. Make sure to mention that you require 'Research Certs'. Once you give the correct references, each cert should only cost €4.
A research cert, is a photocopy/scan of the original register. Certs may also be ordered and collected (up to 5 per person, per day) from the GRO research room in Dublin.
(Important Note - the online HSE service mentioned on the GRO website is designed for more recent certs, and only covers restricted dates, and doesn't provide the facility to specify the BMD Index details )
see the topic Tips for searching Irish BMD civil registrations (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,453932.0.html) for advice on searching the index.
see this link at Connors Genealogy for a map of the registration districts (http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/RegistrarDistrictsMap.jpg)
(Note : The rest of this thread is just discussion on the process described above)
(26/03/2013 updated)
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Excellent summary Shane. ;D
The only problem I've had with GROI is that payment by cheque must be in Euro drawn on a Irish bank (impossible unless you bank in RoI) or by sending them your credit card details - when their website specifically warns (in bold) that you do so at your own risk ::).
Hopefully they will have the facility to order and pay securely online soon.
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I recently ordered a certificate from Roscommon. My bank (in Canada) drew up a money order in euros on the branch (bank) they have in Dublin and there were no problems at all. Certificate was received with no problems.
CeBe
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I have today sent for a death cert. As usual, I asked for a copy entry from the register and enclosed a 5 euro note.
I have done this successfully several times!
I will let you know when it arrives! ;)
Kooky
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I knew someone had tried this method successfully... but couldn't remember who it was!
Shane
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Yes twas me!
I read about it on rootschat, but I also can't remember who suggested it ;D
Kooky
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Hi I've just tried to print off the form and it has come out unreadable! I find the payment very awkward and will have to send my card details which I really don't want to. I will leave it for a while and go back to it. At least I have the details and maybe they will update their payment options. Thanks anway.
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The only thing you need from the GRO Form is the address.
I usually draft a word doc listing the certs I need and that is quite acceptable. Make sure you give all the details listed above by Shane.
There are a number of ways to pay for your certs (E4.00 each):
Credit Card or Cash work equally well. If you are abroad you should be able to buy Euro currency from your local Foreign Exchange.
Most banks can issue you with a Bank Draft or Money Order made out in Euro. You pay with your local currency.
Good luck with your research.
Dara.
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I usually enclose a 5 euro note to cover postage!
Kooky
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Received today the copy of death cert. ordered on 25th Jan.
I think that is quite good for 5 euros!
Cert. confirms an address for the informant.
Kooky
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The form tells me marriage cert photocopies are E6 - I was going to send cash - how much should I send for them to post it back to the UK?
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As far as I know a 'research cert' is still €4 - this is a photocopy of the register. This applies if you provide the full reference details - mentioned above. See - http://www.groireland.ie/research.htm
The €6 fee includes a search where you dont know the specific details.
Shane
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I wonder if the GRO are ever going sort out 'secure on-line ordering'?
Is their website ever going to be overhauled - it looks very dated now.
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Their site has looked that way since 2003!
I wrote to them complaining about it and got a useless bureaucratic response. I think they need an entirely separate site (linked) for researchers. Online ordering is a priority but the forms could be fixed for historic cert ordering too. It's not like other State sites can't do online dealing - the Revenue is very well setup to receive our tax online!
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I think with the current 'economic situation' (dont mention the R word!), along with the civil service strikes & go-slows, it could be a while before anything like this is even considered...
Shane
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I wonder if the GRO ever looks at comments like these on sites such as RootsChat?
Perhaps a 'Grumpy Petiton' would help?
HB ;D ;D ;D
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Hello all,I have used the gro several times,i have paid with my card and found no problem,i have also never had a problem with the application form download,lucky maybe,for me anyway a good service thus far,though i do agree it could be made easier.
Regards Diarmuid. :)
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Thanks for this information.I am a novice and this is my first day using this site and have found two relations using the irish civil index.
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You can order certificates for Northern Ireland online, in person, by post , telephone or fax. The online section is a secure https.
http://www.groni.gov.uk/index.htm
http://www.groni.gov.uk/index/order_certificates.htm
All information is included on the site including FAQ's.
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Paid with my card too and it charged me £3.40 - so glad I didn't put a E5 note in! Every penny counts ;)
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Can I just check, the copy of the register for €4 will have exactly the same details as getting the copy certificate for €10? I'm a bit confused!
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A research cert (the €4 one) is a photocopy/scan of the original register which in my opinion the best option... as if here are any sections that are difficult to read you can ask others to assist.
The other types of certs are general or certified transcripts (i.e. for passports etc) and are done from the same register. The details included in both on the research certs or these transcripts is the same.
Shane
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Thank you, the €4 one definitely sounds more attractive from a cost point of view!
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I often look up the familysearch.org site which gives BDM details on-line
If you send the GRO in Roscommon the year, quarter, volume and page number with the name and any other details you have they will send on the cert to you.
Also when I order I send my credit card details but omit the 3-digit verification code and ask them to phone if they require it - once they phoned! For snail mail it works!!
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Just to clarify, I have been over to the Dublin GRO Research Room last week from the UK and only managed to locate a couple of certs I needed, now I am back and can access my pc / familysearch pilot site I am looking to obtain more photocopies.
Do I obtain these from Roscommon GRO or the Dublin research room ? I did bring a couple of slips of paper (application cert. forms) back with me from the research room in case I wanted to post some requests, but it seems like you have requested photocopies from Roscommon for 4 euro and sent the cash ?
Thanks.
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Orders by post are handled by GRO Roscommon. See their website for the address.
Shane
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Because I am impatient by nature, I have begun to use the rootsireland.ie site which provides me instant gratification. For 5€ I receive an official looking transcription which I find to be an adequate substitute for the certificate.
Cathie Locke, Canada
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Just be cautious of the Irish Roots transcripts - they are only as good as the human who typed them initially and their interpretation of the original.
Also for legal proof you will still need original certificates
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I agree about the transcriptions - even found errors, provable errors on the 1901 and 1911 transcriptions from the archives. They can be seen more easily when the name is one you are looking for. Much of what I am gathering now is not needed for any certifiable kind of proof so they suit my purposes. But thanks for the comment and advice.
Cathie
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You can now apply on-line for certificates, but it seems they provide only the full thing at 11 euros a pop. No "research certificate" option and the presumption is that a search is required.
http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/find_a_service/bdm/certificates_ie
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The HSE site only provides certs for:
Records available for purchase on this site:
Births:
Births registered in the Republic of Ireland from 1922 - present.
Births registered in the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland from January 1864- December 1921.
Marriages:
Marriages registered in the Republic of Ireland from 1922-present.
Marriages registered in the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland from January 1920- December 1921.
Deaths:
Deaths registered in the Republic of Ireland from 1924 - present
All previous registrations are still from the local office or GRO
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Postal ordering from outside Eire is safe and easy using MyTravelCash pre-paid Euro Mastercard. They let you have a proper Mastercard credit card which you pre-load on-line in Euros. You pay MyTravelCash in your own country's currency - their exchange rates are very competitive.
You quote this card number with your postal request to Roscommon, so your normal credit card details are not revealed and the most you could ever lose is the amount you have loaded.
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I have recently ordered 2 marriage certs from Gro Roscommon, one 1883, one 1896. Cost 4 euro each. Simply exchanged sterling for euro and posted. Five days later received both certs. Very efficient I think.
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thanks all of you for all the helpful hints, links and information . I recently started to research my family roots with very limited information available to me . The little I do have , with the help of this thread (and the entire site), has enabled me to order a birth cert. for my grandmother . Thanks again to all ! (and hope to be able to progress in my searching)
Jack :)
p.s. ordered cert. on dec. 6th and rec'd it today (dec. 11th) 8.00 euro for the cert. , 2.00 euro search fee and 2.00 euro postage back to me in USA
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TO ShaneW147: Just one final thing. When I asked how to order LISMORE certs, you provided the ROSCOMMON GRO info. Doesn't WATERFORD have a GRO?
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Roscommon is the central registration office and holds records for all of Ireland up to 1922 (just Southern Ireland after that). The reference details on the familysearch indexes refer to the national index, which is that used by Roscommon.
Shane
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Okay ;o)) Thanks for that, Shane. So then does the DUBLIN GRO hold the same stuff (prior to 1922) as the ROSCOMMON GRO ? Excuse my thick headednes!! I'm a stickler for details.
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The Dublin GRO office has a research room - where you can view the index books with the same reference details as the familysearch index (i.e. registration district, volume & page), and order certs on the spot (up to 5 a day).
You can visit the research room and order certs, but only the Roscommon office provides an ordering service by post.
Shane
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Just be cautious of the Irish Roots transcripts - they are only as good as the human who typed them initially and their interpretation of the original.
Also for legal proof you will still need original certificates
I have also found errors, for example, the name on a marriage cert given for the father of my great grandmother was written as A. Fowling but the same cert ordered from Gro Roscommon stated that she was a foundling. The gro cert also gave the names of the witnesses which was omitted from the Irish roots transcripts. Although it may take longer ordering directly from the GRO, I think that researchers who require full details of a particular registration should order the photocopy which now costs 6euro. I have received several such copies and have been well pleased with both the transcriptions and the service and will now obtain any future certs by this means.
Chris
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Could I confirm that a copy from the registers now costs 6 euros?
Kooky
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I ordered 2 certs in April quoting the Index References and I was only charged 8 Euro.
Guess the €2.00 search fee is still waved if you quote the index reference.
H
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Thank you!
Kooky
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I am just about to order some certificates and have downloaded the forms. They say for a photocopy it costs 6 euro's. Presumably this is the same as what everyone has been talking about but they have put the price up by 1 euro? I will need names of parents and their occupations from the certificate. Will a photocopy for 6 euro's provide me with that info?
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As far as I know the price of a research cert is still €4, as long as you include the full references needed to order the cert - i.e. name, year/quarter, registration district, volume & page. Extra changes apply if the GRO staff have to carry out a search - giving the references means no searching is required.
for details included in the birth register and on the cert (which is photocopy of this) see : Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
Shane
p.s. presumably you are referring to a birth cert ?
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in case it's marriage cert you are ordering then see : Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Father's names and occupation are included on marriage certs - mothers are not
Shane
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Thank you for the info Shane.
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Hi
Could someone tell me please on the Birth Certificate Form - where do i put the year/quater and volume & page no reference - i can't seem to find it on the form ???
Also, what do gro roscommon charge for posting to england.
Thanks in advance :)
Shamrockqueen
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have a look at the first post on this topic ... here (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.msg2973464.html#msg2973464)
It doesnt matter where you put the reference details - somewhere on the order form, or even better on an attached page.
I dont believe the GRO charge any extra for postage outside Ireland. €4 for a research cert - once you include the references
Shane
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Hi Shane
Thank you for quick reply. Will post forms tomorrow now. :)
Shamrockqueen
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It cost me 4 Euro (£3.61) for a photocopy of an original record with the search discount for adding information to the form. I paid by entering my debit card details. It took about 10 days for a delivery to the UK.
C
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I have mentioned this before before just for any new people
I have found if you fill in the form with as much information as you have, even if that is only a name; then enter the Quarter, Year, Volume No. and Page No. where it asks for the date; and the location as the District
This is how I have completed the form.
If you have more information:
such as Father or Mother's name for Births;
Spouse for Marriage (even a first name);
Occupation for Death;
it will help if the record is not located and a search is required.
The fees on all the forms are now shown as:
Note 1
If the record you have requested cannot be found, a search fee of €4.00 will be charged.
Note 2
Photocopies of entries in the registers are also available at a cost of €6.00, (additional copies - €4.00). These contain exactly the same information as a Certificate but are only of use for research purposes
I haven't had to order certs recently but they have obviously increased the fee
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I ordered a photocopy very recently and was still charged just €4. The website has said €6 for some time now, so there appears to be a slight discrepancy between the info on the website and actual practice.
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Has anyone been able to send in a request for a certificate by email? I've ordered a couple by snail mail which I have not received yet (Australia) but realized there is another which would suit my purpose better and would love to be able to just send the order form over the net. Anyone ever managed it? If so what address did you use?
Regards Gerry.
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I dont believe there is any way to use email for ordering - as well as by post you can also contact the GRO by phone or fax. See : http://www.groireland.ie/fees.htm
p.s. you can also order certain certs from the HSE (Health Service Executive) - see : link (http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/find_a_service/bdm/certificates_ie), but they dont cover all dates, require more details, cost more than a research cert, and do not use the same Index references
Shane
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Thanks Shane, t'was as expected. Thank god my other side led straight back to Scotland and their wonderful system.
Regards Gerry.
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Hi,
Thanks for the info on certificate ordering.
I faxed Roscommon on Tuesday evening and received my 2 certificates in Scotland on Saturday, all for only 8 euros.
Am going to take full advantage of this service now as its the most progress ive made in 2 years on my Irish relations.
Can you tell me what information is on a death Cert. Does it include parents names.
My 3x Great Grandfather died in County Antrim in 1888. Is it correct I can order that cert from Roscommon too.
Regards
Mark
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The Irish birth certificate I got didn't have a lot of useful information in my case, date, cause of death and address may be useful but in this case I already knew this, no parents names etc.
Moderator Note : Full certs are not permitted
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Thanks Gerry, i know what to expect now.
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I have recently been getting some certificates from Roscommon and have been pleased by their service, being in Australia means it does take ages to get anything.
I've been using the Mastercard Travel Money card for this purpose and find this is very satisfactory and means I don't have to give the details of my primary card through the post.
The cost has been 4 euros each and response has been fairly quick when I've ordered a single certificate but the last order I put in was for 9 certificates and from checking the credit card action nothing has happened 3 weeks after sending it, maybe having trouble with one may be holding up the order.
The office will not contact you by phone, especially overseas and no net either so if there is a problem its all snail mail, they do give you a number to call and this got me through direct to the person concerned and the problem was solved very quickly, she even let me order another couple of certificates there and then so it actually saved me time and money.
It seems to work fine if you give them exactly the information they require, don't worry about their form just make up your own and be sure to sign it. I'll attach a copy of the form I've been using.
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Trying to post a copy of the form, may have to do it some other way.
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Changing it to a text file made it look a little untidy but the details are all there.
Gerry.
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full certs are not allowed on RootsChat - see these topics for notes on the details they include :
Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Details included on a Death Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)
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Sorry, should have realized about not publishing full certificates. One thing I'd add in regards to the contents of marriage certificates is that in the 'Residence at Time of Marriage' column, on some of the certificates I've received the address is simply given as Belfast, not much help if relying on that as a confirmation.
Regards Gerry.
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I have never before ordered a certificate from the GRO in Roscommon so thought I would read this thread and I am little puzzled. The GRO website informs me that the cost of a certificate is 10 euros and there doesn't seem to be a difference between whether or not you have the details of the record. The record I need is for a death which occurred in 1867 - I have the name, age, place of registration, vol no, page no and FHL film no (which I gather I do not need to supply as it is irrelevant to this search). I do not have a quarter in which the death took place. Will this be enough information? Has the cost of Irish certificates increased enormously in recent months or is there another way of getting them which I don't know about? The early posts on this thread refer to certificates at 4 euros and I know they are likely to be more than that now, but 10 seems a huge increase in price!! If anyone can offer any advice I would be very grateful. Thanks
Chirp
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It is still 4 euros for a photocopy, provided you provide the name, place, year, quarter (where given), volume & page number. Put that information on the line marked place of death. Quarters were only introduced around 1880ish. Your death is before that which is why none is shown. The higher price is for a full copy certificate, not a photocopy.
You cannot order a photocopy on line. You need to print off the form and then either post or fax it to Roscommon. Do not worry about leaving some boxes blank on the form. As long as they have the name and reference details given above, they'll find it.
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Excellent - thank you for your prompt reply.
Chirp
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Hi
I have just ordered a research copy cert from GRO for a marriage in 1932, Dublin
Would I get the details of mother of the groom, ie. her maiden name
Regards
genseacher
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No. Only the fathers names are given on Irish marriage certificates. You won't get any information on the mothers.
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Thanks Elwyn
Hopefully the childrens certs I have ordered will come up with the mothers maiden name, if they are the right children, keeping fingers crossed
Regards
Genseacher
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Hi,
The information I have is the name (John Sullivan), occupation Sergeant in R.I.C and the exact date of death in Dec 1909 and Limerick as the location.
There are a couple of entries that this could be, so will it cost 6 euros, as oppose to 4 ?
Confusing !
Thanks,
Sam.
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As I understand it, if you can quote the place, year, quarter, volume and page number, then it's 4 euros. If you don't/can't quote that, and just rely on date of death it's 6 euros as they will have to look up indexes to find the page number etc.
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Yes, and remember that's for a photocopy not a real certificate. Gerry. ;)
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Hi,
I would like to order a marriage cert from Roscommon. I have the date - 4 Feb 1850 - and district - Coleraine, Derry -and the names of the bride and groom. Is this enough for a €4 copy from the register? And would this give all the usual info ie residence, religion, and Fathers names and occupations?
Cheers,
Margaret
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That sounds like an extracted record. You need to locate the references on the Index record to order a cert without requiring a search :
Name
Record Type (e.g. marriage)
Registration District
Year/quarter (early records just just have a year)
Volume No.
Page No.
for notes on the details a research cert will show - see :
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
If you post the names I'll try to locate the references for you...
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Thats very kind of you.
The names are Robert Ballentine and Mary Eliza McGee married 04 Feb 1850, Coleraine Civil Registrars Office, Londonderry.
Thanks
Margaret
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here are the references :
name: Robert Ballentine
registration district: Coleraine
event type: Marriage
year: 1850
volume : 4 / page: 192
A matching index record appears for a Mary Eliza McGee.
Shane
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I would like to order a marriage cert from Roscommon. I have the date - 4 Feb 1850 - and district - Coleraine, Derry -and the names of the bride and groom. Is this enough for a €4 copy from the register? And would this give all the usual info ie residence, religion, and Fathers names and occupations?
Since the marriage took place in the Registry Office there will be no clues as to religion of either party.
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Shane,
Many thanks for this will save me a few pennies!
Margaret
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Hi Shane,
forgot to ask if you know if its still €4 for the copy.
Margaret
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as far as I know the price hasn't changed.
As long as you provide the references, as above, and ask for a research cert - that's the cost
Shane
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Many thanks Shane.
Margaret
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I'm sorry - I'm still confused. Here you say the photocopy if you can give all details is 4 euros, but the GRP Roscommon fees tell me it's 6. Am I missing something or is it simply that the price has gone up?!
Sue
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If you include the full reference details i.e. registration district, year/quarter, volume and page numbers, and ask for a research cert - then you should only be charged €4.
The additional charges apply is the GRO have to carry out a search.
Shane
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Thanks, Shane - you must be getting fed up of repeating the same things!
Sue
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Can you get a marriage certificate from 1899. The dropdown menu on the online order form doesnt go back that far.
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For certificates pre 1922 you have to print off an order form and then either post or fax it to GRO. The on line ordering arrangement is only for certs post 1.1.1922 (as far as I am aware).
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Thanks Elwyn. My impatience led me to the online option but I guess I will have to do the snail mail bit.
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I recently ordered a certificate from Roscommon. My bank (in Canada) drew up a money order in euros on the branch (bank) they have in Dublin and there were no problems at all. Certificate was received with no problems.
CeBe
oh good to know I live in Canada too so instead of my parents in Dublin spending what little they get I can do it myself
I have a few I would like to get
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I want to order a marriage cert of my father and mother but only know the month and the year, GRO ask for the full date, will what I have be enough.
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Provided you also have the location, they should be able to find it OK from the month and the year. Or if you post the information you have here, it may be able possible to find you the relevant reference numbers, which can also help.
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My Father was James Craig and married my Mother Mary Whiteside from Donard Street Belfast, they married in Belfast in June 1944, that's all I know.
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YOu will need to apply to the Northern Ireland office for post1922 certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0m5l/
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its been a little while since I last requested copies from the GRO - can someone confirm to me the easiest way to do this from overseas. What I was doing was emailing a request with index details and then calling and paying by credit card. i was paying 4 euro a search. The photocopy was then mailed to me.
As i live in Australia the combination of calling at the right time and then awaiting the few weeks postage is a little frustrating.
Has there been any advancement on this? Has the price changed ( my 4 euro a search seemed very reasonable and others seemed to be paying more??). when I called and spoke to the lovely ladies they always seemed bemused to be getting a call from overseas - so how are others doing this?
thanks in advance.
Barbara
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Once you provide the full index references from the BMD Index, and request a research cert the cost should still be €4 per cert. I dont think GRO have an Email address - just download the form and post to Head Office.
see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.msg2973464.html#msg2973464) (1st post on this thread)
Shane
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I download the appropriate form and then fax my requests (with credit card details). From Oz it's 0011 353 90 6632999 - €6 for the first copy, €4 for additional copies. Time to arrive can vary between 2- 3 weeks, in my experience.
Eddie
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It’s still €4 for photocopies (including the first one) provided you give them the full reference details (ie place, year, quarter (where there is one), volume & page number). They may add costs for postage outside Ireland. I don’t know.
There is no e-mail option for certs prior to 1922 and for photocopies. You have to use mail or fax. Generally, as Eidde says, they take about 2 weeks. A bit longer obviously if you live further away.
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Looking back at thread and looking at the standard form I remember why I do it differently!! the form is unworkable for the purpose we need and the pricing is very confusing - I use a word document with all my requests clearly detailed and at the end confirming the total payment amount -@ 4 euro a search.
When I first did this a few years back I rang and asked GRO Roscommon what to do. I have no access to a fax so they gave me an email address (being the email address of the lady I spoke too - not an official GROI email address) so i emailed her and then at her suggestion rang back an hour or so later and gave her my credit card details. worked well but think this was a bit back door!!
If they could only bring in a paypal payment arrangement it would be so much easier and safer. An email address would be great too!! Between people posting credit card details to posting cash its asking for trouble - yet its a priceless service!!
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In response to bclc71's comment, some years ago (Feb 2008), I wrote to GROI (using their comment form) and suggested that they use the same on-line ordering system as the GRO for England & Wales. After all the indexing system is the same for both since the GRO(I) registration system was modelled on the GRO(E&W).
Therefore, since the two systems are the same wouldn't it make sense for GRO(I) to purchase a ready-made on-line ordering system from GRO(E&W) and at the same time have some 'nice' BMD certificate templates on which to have them printed or perhaps even more imaginatively be able to email the results out to on-line customers.
Their response, in Mar 2008, was that my comments "will be addressend in separate correspondence with you"
Just think, they could save money on international postage, time on putting certificates into envelopes and if they smartened up the photocopies using coloured BMD templates (a la GRO E&W) they could even charge more! (Although not as much as Southport)
By and large I must say that when I need to speak to the staff at Roscommon I have almost always found them to be helpful; one young man went the 'extra mile' to help me find the birth of my grandfathers brother.
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for the separate correspondence ...................................
H
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I am slightly confused - there is nowhere in the form to put the full reference details i.e. registration district, year/quarter, volume and page numbers.
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The form is not really designed for historic certs... just fill in your details on the form - name, address credit card etc and attach a separate sheet of paper with the references mentioned in the first post in the topic, and mention that you wish to order 'Research Certs'
Once you give these, each cert should only cost €4.
Shane
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The form is not really designed for historic certs... just fill in your details on the form - name, address credit card etc and attach a separate sheet of paper with the references mentioned in the first post in the topic, and mention that you wish to order 'Research Certs'
Once you give these, each cert should only cost €4.
Shane
Thank you very much, I shall do that.
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I printed off the marriage certificate form and put in the details of the marriage & requested a 5 year search too.
They married in 1906 (They searched from 1902-1906). ???
No entry/record was found for the marriage - my g grandparents defiantely married in ireland. So i'm wondering - what do i do know to continue my search? :(
regards
shamrockqueen
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Have you searched for the bride and groom in the civil registration index to narrow down the dates, possible spelling of names, etc.? It's not uncommon to find a mariage took place earlier or later than expected.
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I requested a death certificate from 1960 for my grandmother
They did a 5 year search and said none could be found
I resent the application attaching the death notice explaining I was 100% in my dates
There was still no death record found and I have never worked out why!
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Have you searched for the bride and groom in the civil registration index to narrow down the dates, possible spelling of names, etc.? It's not uncommon to find a mariage took place earlier or later than expected.
Hi Aghadowey
Yes - i've searched the civil registration index and found nothing. Also i've tried searching on roots ireland - nothing again. :(
I'm wondering if i ask for a further 5 year search from 1907 - will they find it? Only my grandfather was born in 1907. On the 1911 census it stated they were married in 1906. ???
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I requested a death certificate from 1960 for my grandmother
They did a 5 year search and said none could be found
I resent the application attaching the death notice explaining I was 100% in my dates
There was still no death record found and I have never worked out why!
Hi Myluck
It's so annoying - when you know 100% the information you send is right! >:(
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Before trying to re-order suggest you search again to see if you can find them in the index. Usually best to start very broad search (such as name only) then use the options on left of page to select decade, etc. Unusual names help although they can sometimes cause mistranscriptions.
www.familysearch.org
I can only remember not finding 2 registrations.
1) great-great-grandparents' marriage: I had date and names of 2 possible churches- eventually found in register but had been omitted from Registrar's & GRO index
2) death for widow of relative: death notice in local newspaper mentioned she died at son-in-law's residence and I would have liked to have known name of informant (hopefully either son-in-law or his wife whose first name I don't know) but even after looking through registrations covering district for that period it couldn't be found.
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Hi Aghadowey
Thanks for the info - but have tried all options - believe you me! Nothing found. Surely they would have married? ???
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I requested a death certificate from 1960 for my grandmother
They did a 5 year search and said none could be found
I resent the application attaching the death notice explaining I was 100% in my dates
There was still no death record found and I have never worked out why!
Unfortunately not all deaths were registered. There are burial records for my great-great-grandparents in Athenry, Galway, but their deaths were not registered; the registrar in Galway checked the original register for me.
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Not sure how things worked in 1906 but I know of recent cases where people who have married in church have discovered later that the priest never sent in the form to the register.
One lady only found out when she applyed for a passport in her married name, turned out hers and a few other couples forms had fallen down the back of a press in the sacristy and had been there for over 10 years.
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Hi shamrockqueen
Are you looking for the marriage of Patrick Mullane and Mary Collins
Regards
Genseacher
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Hi shamrockqueen
There is a marriage of Patrick Mullane and Mary Collins in Oct to Dec 1899 Vol 5 Page 1, Bandon, Cork
On the Irish census 1901 and 1911 a lot of the ages are not accurate especially for parents, ie. in my own family age was recorded as 28 but the actual age was 36 so I would expand ages up to 10 years.
Children ages tend to be fairly accurate.
In relation to Thomas Mullane
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Firmount/Garraun_North/404366/
Regards
Genseacher
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The form is not really designed for historic certs... just fill in your details on the form - name, address credit card etc and attach a separate sheet of paper with the references mentioned in the first post in the topic, and mention that you wish to order 'Research Certs'
Once you give these, each cert should only cost €4.
Shane
Thank you very much, I shall do that.
It arrived today, and he is who I hoped that he was. :)
I had posted the application on Friday 1st June and the marriage record arrived today, Saturday 9th June!
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excellent - well done GRO Roscommon... and your search!
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excellent - well done GRO Roscommon... and your search!
Thank you. And my thanks again to you for your help. :) :) :)
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Can anyone please tell me whereabouts GRO is,in Roscommon Town?
On the address it says Convent Rd.
The only places in Roscommon I am familiar with(on our numerous journeys from here in Armagh to my daughters' in Galway!)are the shopping places...heatons,tesco etc..also know where the hospital is.
Is there a limit on the number of copies you can purchase in one visit?
If there is,and two of us are looking...can we have a limit each(if you know what i mean!)
Also,can i pay on the spot there either with euros,credit card or debit card?
As my daughter lives around an hour from there,it would be no problem getting there.
Do i have to take details with me,or are there comps available for research?
Elaine
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Roscommon is the head office, and does not have a research facility for the public.
You can visit the research room Dublin to collect certs on the spot or access the Index books to look up references, but in most cases it's much simpler, and cheaper, finding the required references on the FamilySearch website.
The GRO research room is located in the Irish Life Centre on Lwr. Abbey Street in Dublin. And there is a limit of 5 certs per person per day. Additional certs over this limit can be posted out. They only accept cash as far as I know in the research room - never seen any credit cards used.
You can use a credit card for orders by post - work out the same cost per cert either way.
S.
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thnx Shane...will google where Lwr Abbey St is....as pensioners we can travel from Armagh to Dublin free,using our bus passes.
Elaine
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The GRO office is very close to Busaras and Connolly Railway Station.
S.
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Directions to GRO Abbey Street Lwr (http://www.irish-birth-certs.com/where-is-gro-research-room.html)
This office is a little like family research, you know its there but takes a little bit of finding!!
It is not well signed, the doorway is a rather plain standard glass door.
Staff however are very helpful
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thankyou.
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As I live in England I have always just sent the cash and not had any problems at all. I took the GRO reference from FamilySearch and so far have only had one wrong certificate.
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Just to say that if you are in the area the GRO at Roscommon does have public counters. I took in the form from the website filled in and 5 mins later left with a photocopy. Good stuff.
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RootsChatters may like to know (if they didn't already) that Roscommon will now, if asked, issue copy certificates by email.
I ordered 3 certificates (by fax) on Friday 12th at about 1530 and received them by email this morning at 1000 - less than 3 working days is impressive!
On the application form I added in large emboldened type PLEASE ISSUE CERTIFICATES BY EMAIL TO
then my email address.
Now looking forward to the online indexes ;)
H
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That's great to know Thanks for the update
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You can order certificates for Northern Ireland online, in person, by post , telephone or fax. The online section is a secure https.
http://www.groni.gov.uk/index.htm
http://www.groni.gov.uk/index/order_certificates.htm
All information is included on the site including FAQ's.
If ordering marriage certs online, they say you need to fill in the name of the church on the application. If this is unkown, could it work ok if you just enter 'unkown'? [Know it was 1911 Belfast]
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Assuming you have the necessary GRO index references for this marriage and you don't want to spend over 4 times the amount at Belfast (for a fancier certificate with the price of the certificate £15.00 emblazoned upon it!), why order from Belfast? Order from Roscommon.
Do bear in mind that in 1911 the GRO for the whole of ireland was in Dublin, it wasn't until after partition in 1922, when Northern ireland came into being, that a separate GRO to cover Northern Ireland was established.
I have been ordering certificates from Dublin & Roscommon by fax and credit card since 2003 without any credit card issues; although I do have card (with a low limit, just in case) that I use for on line purchases.
Hope this helps.
H
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Assuming you have the necessary GRO index references for this marriage and you don't want to spend over 4 times the amount at Belfast (for a fancier certificate with the price of the certificate £15.00 emblazoned upon it!), why order from Belfast? Order from Roscommon.
Do bear in mind that in 1911 the GRO for the whole of ireland was in Dublin, it wasn't until after partition in 1922, when Northern ireland came into being, that a separate GRO to cover Northern Ireland was established.
I have been ordering certificates from Dublin & Roscommon by fax and credit card since 2003 without any credit card issues; although I do have card (with a low limit, just in case) that I use for on line purchases.
Hope this helps.
H
Thanks very much for that. So ordering from Roscommon you can get just a photocopy which is cheaper and you can't do that from Belfast? Otherwise fancier certs are about the same cost from either source?
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Correct on both counts.
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Correct on both counts.
Thanks again :)
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Summary of how to order certs :
1. download the order form from the GRO website and print it out
2. fill in your address and credit card details on the form
3. on a separate sheet put the references of the certs you require, and also mention you require research certs.
4. post the order to GRO Head Office in Roscommon
The form will not download, any suggestions.?
Full civil registration of Births, Marriages & Deaths started in Ireland in 1864. In addition non-Catholic marriages were registered between 1845 and 1863. An online index to these is available on the Irish Civil Index (http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c8o/) on familysearch.
You can search the registrations for all Ireland up to 1922, and for Republic of Ireland up to 1958.
Certs are available by post from the GRO. Download the order form from the GRO website - see : http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm
Ignore the extra details on the form, e.g. R.S.I. number, and just enter your own name, address and credit card information, plus the following details for each cert you require :
Name
Record Type (e.g. Birth)
Registration District
Year/quarter (*)
Volume No.
Page No.
* Prior to 1878 only the year is available on the index. The other details listed on the FamilySearch index (film, image no. etc) are LDS internal references, and not required by the GRO.
You can attach a separate sheet of paper with the references mentioned above. Make sure to mention that you require 'Research Certs'. Once you give the correct references, each cert should only cost €4.
A research cert, is a photocopy/scan of the original register. Certs may also be ordered and collected (up to 5 per person, per day) from the GRO research room in Dublin.
(Important Note - the online HSE service mentioned on the GRO website is designed for more recent certs, and only covers restricted dates, and doesn't provide the facility to specify the BMD Index details )
see the topic Tips for searching Irish BMD civil registrations (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,453932.0.html) for advice on searching the index.
see this link at Connors Genealogy for a map of the registration districts (http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/RegistrarDistrictsMap.jpg)
(Note : The rest of this thread is just discussion on the process described above)
(26/03/2013 updated)
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If the form won't download, then the solution is to put the same information in a letter. They will accept that quite happily, provided all the payment information is there too.
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If the form won't download, then the solution is to put the same information in a letter. They will accept that quite happily, provided all the payment information is there too.
Thats great thank you.
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For Phildude/or Anyone else
If you would like to send me a PM with your email address I can forward a copy of the 'modified' GRO Word document that I have been using for the last 10 or so years (updated so that I can have delivery by email).
H
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Faxed my request for 5 certificates (Mixture of Birth and death) on Friday 11th requesting that they be emailed and got them in my inbox this morning (21st). Only 6 working days. Well pleased. I may well be spending a small fortune before Christmas. Thanks for the tip HugoBeauchamp
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First post for me so Howdy to all. I just posted to Roscommon for 5 certs but obviously forgot to read the finer print. I found the references for 2 certs (1895 and 1880) and included those (thanks to the advice from others). 1 cert i could not find the references for but had the date of marriage in 1872. The other 2 marriages were for 1828 and 1854. Assume they will trash those last 2 requests since prior to 1864.
So if i get three certs emailed back i will be happy.
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They certainly won’t be able to help you with a marriage in 1828. For the 1854 marriage they may have it if it was not RC. (RC marriages were only recorded from 1864 onwards but other denominations from April 1845).
For marriages before the statutory registration dates, you need to search parish records. To do that you need to know the exact denomination as well as the parish. If you have that information, post it and I’ll try to advise you what your options are for searching the records.
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Thank you Elwyn. Appreciate the quick reply. Here are the two older certs i am researching...Peter
GG Grandparents (i found this extract on www.rootsireland.ie and wanted the actual certificate to verify)
Name: Patrick Mitchell
Spouse: Mary Farrell
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 –September -1854
Event Place: Tuam, County Galway
Registration District: Tuam
Their daughters marriage certificate says Tuam No. 1 so i am assuming both marriages occurred at The Cathedral of the Assumption in Tuam.
GGG Grandparents
Name: Philip Wynne
Spouse: Mary Conlon
Event Type: Marriage
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Event Date: 1828 (per daughter Catherine’s pension application in 1917)
Event Place: Mullinabreena (I think), Reg Dist: Coolaney, Union: Tobercurry, County Sligo
Registration District: Coolaney
For this one I have a GRO Marriage Cert for Philips son, John, at the Mullinabreena Chapel (now called Sacred Heart) so assumption for Philip's marriage here as well.
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For the 1st one- there will be no certificate, only an entry in the church register but probably minimal details (usually date, bride, groom and perhaps 2 witnesses).
For the 2nd- remember that marriages usually take place in the bride's church so that might not be the same place son married. If the information is purely from a pension claim form there might not be a surviving record in church archives.
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Ok. Thank you again.. I am still in the learning state for Ireland research and appreciate your guidance.
For the first one you were spot on as that is all the info i got from the extract. I was thinking there might be more......
For the second one I will have to wait until i visit the church and keep my fingers crossed. I am assuming my ancestors who stayed in Ireland never left Achrony ..... seeing some surnames in the 1901/1911 census in the same exact location. Just need to work on the connections.
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You can see what RC records exist for each parish using this link:
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/
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Does anyone now of an Email address instead of the FAX number?
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reply 93 on this thread says they may not have e-mail
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They are offering to Email scans of your requested info, so it seems logical that they might offer an incoming Email address for certificate request with attached word documents of their forms.
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Email is not a secure way to send your credit card details.
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Think the idea is to e mail the request than phone the card details, rather than fax the request phone the card and get the results by e mail or post.
Makes sense to just use phone and email.
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In general they won't accept an incoming e-mail order for a photocopy. You could try phoning them and see if they'll let you pay by credit card over the phone. (I have no experience of trying this with GRO Roscommon , but I do know that people do routinely do pay over the phone when ordering certificates from GRONI in Belfast, even from overseas).
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I posed the question as the FAX machine wasn't answering, but now I have succeeded by using a program called PAMFAX I have completed this process before successfully, the only down side is that you need to scan your document before sending it as opposed to feeding it into a dedicated FAX machine, it cost me 79p UK. You need to add credit to begin, I haven't used this for over a year and my credit was e activated instantly. I expect they might accept a phone call after you send your request if you are particularly sensitive about card details, but probably no less secure than sending it in the international post, or you could request they call you.
MB.
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Could any one advise me the best place to get a copy of a marriage cert for the 1860s for county cork? I have never ordered before, so is it cheaper to get it emailed rather than the post? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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A research Cert is €4 by e mail or post and all certs are ordered from the GRO in Roscommon by post or fax.
I don't think the online ordering service does Research Certs so would be alot more expensive.
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The very first post on this thread explains it all very well except the bit about including you e mail if you want to receive it that way. (That wasn't available at the time that post was made).
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Great, I'll do that! Thanks for the help! :)
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Tigerella - I have been faxing (using pamfax) from USA to GRO in Roscommon on several occasions. The faxes cost me .13 cents and i usually get an email back from the GRO in a few days with the cert attached. The key is to know the date (of BM or D) region, volume, and page number for them to do a successful match. I recently sent them a one page fax with several death records (same name different Vol/Pages) listed on the form and they responded, again, within a few days. Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the reply Wynnepa. I ordered one Monday to see how it turned out, and received them by email yesterday so was very impressed with the service. Have sent away for more already! :)
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Has anyone ever ordered marriage certs from the 1840s/1850s in Ireland? Do they provide names of fathers and residence like the 1880s?
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Civil registration of non-Catholic marriages started in 1845. The details on the marriage certificate remained unchanged for long after Catholic marriages were included in 1864 so, yes the residence of bride and groom and their fathers' names & occupations should be shown.
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All Registry Offices across Ireland now have access to all the records for Ireland.
If you are in Kerry and need a photocopy of an entry for Donegal one just goes to the office in Kerry..etc
One doesn't need the CERTIFIED one, just the photocopy which is a mirror image for €4 containing the same data.
The CERTIFIED one is printed on special paper and used for Legal/Administration purposes.
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I am a bit confused, what do you write in the civil status section and the PPS number sections on death certificates?
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I usually leave the PPS blank. The civil status is widowed, married, or single if you know it. If not leave it blank. The key is providing the Month/Date, Volume #, Page #, and registration district.
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PPS is quite recent thing... basically his/her Social Security Number, which no one would know except for close kin!
Ignore it!!
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Thank you
Trish
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All Registry Offices across Ireland now have access to all the records for Ireland.
If you are in Kerry and need a photocopy of an entry for Donegal one just goes to the office in Kerry..etc
One doesn't need the CERTIFIED one, just the photocopy which is a mirror image for €4 containing the same data.
The CERTIFIED one is printed on special paper and used for Legal/Administration purposes.
I decided to give this a go today.
I wanted Certs from Naas, Belfast and Dublin South.
Mixed results.
We are not a research facility from one staff member (potility I should say).
So I said not to worry I thought I'd just give it a try, I'd get them from Roscommon.
Another staff member said they would have a go if I liked but wouldn't be able to have them today as they were having computer problems but as I was here I may as well fill in the forms.
I had to fill in a seperate form for each cert.
They were pretty sure they wouldn't find the Belfast one.
I was than told to hang on they could try now.
The woman who did the searching came out to ask what the mother's maiden name on the Belfast one was, thanks to Aghadowey who had looked on one of the Northern Ireland index's, I knew the name, wouldn't have got it other wise I think.
So I got one Belfast Birth 1907, one Dublin South marriage 1940 and one Naas birth 1909 but no Death Certs. The didn't have deaths before 1926 I think she said.
The staff were lovely, and I got my certs in about 20 minutes but I did feel it really wasn't their thing, not sure I'd bother them again, although when I said that I was told of course I should go back to them.
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No it's not their thing to do one's research for them!
You need to Volume numbers etc same as when sending to Roscommon for them! They were very nice and helpful to even do lookups etc... They should be commended for their helpfulness!!
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No it's not their thing to do one's research for them!
You need to Volume numbers etc same as when sending to Roscommon for them! They were very nice and helpful to even do lookups etc... They should be commended for their helpfulness!!
I had all that.
They even complemented me on having so much and than told me the Vol and Page numbers were no use to them.
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Since Sinann went to purchase the certificates with the details needed in order to do so it doesn't sound like the swtaff were being asked to do any research but more a case of not being familiar with requests for vital records.
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No it's not their thing to do one's research for them!
You need to Volume numbers etc same as when sending to Roscommon for them! They were very nice and helpful to even do lookups etc... They should be commended for their helpfulness!!
I had all that.
They even complemented me on having so much and than told me the Vol and Page numbers were no use to them.
The few times I've been in I was asked for the Vol and Page numbers, probably different offices have different way of doing things. Certainly a great way of getting stuff from all over Ireland, at local office.
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I did ask had they never had a similar request and was told only once or twice, so I think they are just not used to people looking for old certs, interesting that before they looked at the info I did have I was asked if I was getting this off the census, it was when I said no that they became willing to have a look so perhaps they have been annoyed by people in the past just using the census to look for certs.
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I am about to order a death cert from the Roscommon Office. I have downloaded the forms and there is nowhere on the form to put Vol and Page numbers - just name, age, place of death (though I don't know that and will just have to put Dublin Sth reg district), and my own details obviously (before someone tells me I haven't downloaded the entire form!).
I think ordering certs from the island of Ireland is horribly confusing.
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The problem with ordering certificates from the GRO is that those forms were not designed for family researchers but were meant for people ordering their own birth certificate, parents' death certificate, etc. where they would presumably know those details asked for on the form.
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I did ask had they never had a similar request and was told only once or twice, so I think they are just not used to people looking for old certs, interesting that before they looked at the info I did have I was asked if I was getting this off the census, it was when I said no that they became willing to have a look so perhaps they have been annoyed by people in the past just using the census to look for certs.
Indeed the vast number of Old Certs being ordered are from people outside Ireland, wouldn't think there are too many walking in from the street. Possibly even offices where no one has yet walked in for them.
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If i know the Vol/Page number i put it on the form under or next to the date. Never had a problem ordering BMDs from Roscommon. Ive just sent them a marriage request where i don't know the vol/page but i do know the date of marriage and registration district from the church records.
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I have found that the staff are very helpful in the GRO by post and phone; I have only once walked into the Roscommon office!
Once I could not locate a death record and attached a copy of the newspaper obituary to my application and received the certificate (the surname spelling was different to any I expected)
As long as the request is not completely vague but has either a specific date or reference i.e. Year; District; Quarter (if applicable); Volume and Page they will endeavour to find the record
Also I dislike having to put too much detail re Credit Cards on paper by fax or post - I have always added "please telephone for full details" which they have done so without delay
They could however invest a small amount of time in revamping the forms and online systems
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I am currently researching death and marriages records for four female Irish ancestors.
I have a name, location and year of birth for each of them and some of them never married. However I do not know what happened to them after 1958.
Also, for marriages, I do not know the name of the 2nd party, is it possible to find marriages for someone if you have their parents names? The father would have been mentioned on the certificate
thanks
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New form for ordering research certs.
Claire Santry explains it http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2015/07/new-combined-application-form-for-gro.html
New form
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/images/content/GRO_Documents/Form_for_DAHG_site.pdf
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Thank you, that's just what I needed. It's so simple when you know what you're doing ...