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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: BW252 on Thursday 31 May 12 18:58 BST (UK)
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I feel like throwing my computer out of the WINDOW!!!!!!
I am attempting to find the death of HB nee Turnbull born 1804 (age 47 on 1851 census) I have the death of her husband Walter B in 1881. 1861 census she is still with him but 1871 shows him with 3rd wife.
Just so frustrating trying to find death details of Helen!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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What town? :)
Barbara
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If its Hawick there is a Helen Turnbull who died in 1865 on Scotlandspeople. No maiden name or age mentioned but she would def be worth looking at.
Barbara
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Barbara
have looked at SP and nothing coming up???
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I think the entry that Barbara mentions shows in Castleton, Rox.
There is a period in the 1860s where the age was left off the index (although the actual cert shows full details). For these types of entries, ff you search with an age/birth year, it gives you nil result (this is why the SP death search screen includes the box with Include Unrecorded Ages in Age Range
Monica
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which 1851 did you find in - it should tell her place of birth.
location could help, but if her family was non-conformist may not be in the OPR, but if she died after 1855 her death should be registered somewhere, also try the surrounding counties
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No Monica, it was Hawick
as below. Perhaps you are putting in the birth date and as Monica says it won't come up then.
7
1865
BALLANTYNE
HELEN
F
HAWICK
/ROXBURGH
789/00 0129
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I do not think this my Helen. This HB is shown as aged 78 my Helen was born around 1805, age is shown as 47 on 1851 census
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Apologies Barbara, I searched surname as Turnbull.
Monica
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No problem Monica
so you have already looked at the original death record for that one BW and she is too old?
I still don't seem to know if it is Hawick I am looking for her in?
Barbara
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I take it that it is the Hawick census' you have been accessing
I look at the 1851 census and notice she was born in Wilton, but her brother Richard Turnbull was born in Ancrum, but helen and walter didn't seem to have any children on any of the census 1841-1861 while living in the Loan, Hawick - i take it that she a sister or aunt of a relative of yours.
Any avenue you could try is if she died in Hospital in Edinburgh the death Cert would be issued under Edinburgh - worth a look - I found one my Ancestor that way
Another option is that Walter and Helen never actually married and were common law man and wife - just a thought
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thanks Barbara and Terianne.
Walter although bCockpen, Midlothian seems to have lived all his life in Hawick, Census and DC. Helen was his second wife(DC).
I believe that Mgt is my GG Grandmother. Her illegitimate dau Helen Ballantyne Turnbull was born before her marriage to John Robson. I have always been intrigued as to where the Ballantyne came from as it is not a family name! My attempts to justify the Mgt living with Walter and Helen as my Mgt are why I am trying to find the parents of Helen (via her DC). My family tree does not record either Helen or Richard. Mgts parents were a Robert T and Mgt Aitken
Hope this makes sense? (Now you see why my PC is halfway out of the window!!!)
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I know this may sound obvious but it wasn't uncommon for an illegitimate child's middle name to by contacted to the father if the father is not willing to put his name on the birth certificate - its not like nowadays back then the father had to be asked to legally illegitimise the child even if the parent didn't marry.
It could be that the father of margaret's daug could be a Ballantyne. - just an idea - my be a relative of Walter's may be his brother Alex or a cousin or nephew
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Terianne has a point but I sympathise with you trying to find Helen's death even if just to rule her out. Where is she in 1841, do you know? and what date did she marry Walter, have you found a marriage?
Barbara
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She was with Walter in Hawick in 1841 (name spelt "Balintyne) have not yet found a marriage
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What I am thinking is that you only have one death certificate to say her name was Turnbull. Correct me if wrong. And that the informant often got things wrong. Doesn't help much in finding her death tho as she should be indexed under Ballantyne if she was married to Walter
They didn't have any children that you can see?
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I did some digging and found the birth of Helen Ballantyne Turnbull in the IGI mother Margaret b= 17 Mar 1857 - Hawick
You said Margaret went on the marry John Robson (both born in Jedburgh) was John a Tailor if you check the 1861 census there is a Margaret and John Robson living at Loan no 33 on the entry the children are listed as Hellen Robson aged 4 born Hawick and Archibald Robson aged 2 born Hawick - it could be possible that Helen was raised under his name. the age of helen fits.
Helen & Walter Ballantyne lived at Loan No 25 in 1861
BUT Also if you check the 1851 census Helen's 16year old niece Margaret was living with Walter and Her - the details fit
so it could be simply that Margaret named her daughter after her Aunt
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Terianne
Yes I have all the details you provide. All details fit and I fear that I will never find out who Helen and Richards parents were. Helen (1804) who married(?) Walter B has just disappeared!
You are correct that Mgt has simply named her dau after her aunt.
many thanks to you all