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I am trying to find out what happened to Grandfather's sister Florence Harding b. 1883 Somerset. Up to now after a long search nothing has given me a clue. Florence is on U.K. Somerset Census 1901 working in Taunton but can find no marr. or death. Find my Past has two maybe candidates leaving U.K. (Liverpool) 1904 but ages are unknown. One is from Liverpool to Sydney Australia, the other New York U.S.A. Can anyone check these two entries for me please. If she did not emigrate, I cannot think what can have happened to her and this search has taken me years and she is the only one of my Grandfather's siblings I cannot find so very glad of any help to solve mystery. Many thanks for your time. Her birth reg. is in name of Harden but interchanged with Harding throughout family with various Certs in both names but Harding is used more often and seems to have settled.
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New South Wales Passenger Lists - Florence Harding
Port of Departure: Liverpool to Sydney. New South Wales - arriving 30 Apr 1904
on the Suevic gives no details of age to identify Florence. (According to previous threads your Florence was born 1883 Somerset if I remember correctly)
New York Passenger List - Florence Harding
Port of Departure: London to New York, arriving 19 September 1904 on the Minnetonka.
Florence was a US Citizen - no other details.
Sandra
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Hi,
The only info it gives about Florence Harding arriving New York from London, Sept. 19, 1904 aboard the Minnetonka is that she was a U.S citizen.
claire
Ooops Beat me to it!
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Many thanks, Looks like I can discount the New York one. I wonder who the Sydney one is. I thought she might have followed her sister to USA. Will I ever find her, will keep trying but a very common name, so many of them. Thank you for your interest and time, both of you. syljun
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Hi Syljun,
Sister Sarah lived until the ripe age of 98 years, perhaps Florence did also.
If you get the exact birth date for Florence, we can check that against the USA SSDI Index and possible find her, if she died after 1962 ish when the index was fully up and running.
Sarah immigrated to the USA by way of Canada before crossing the border, it was a cheaper way to travel to the USA that way at the time.
Despite checking numerous Canadian passenger lists for Florence Harding I haven't come across anything that identifies her.
Sandra
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Thank you Sandra, May well be worth sending for Birth Cert. I would like to find out what happened to her. Will get back to you when I know more. Syljun
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Hi,
You have probably already looked into it, but the only Florence Harding I can find born in Somerset in 1883 is:-
Births Mar 1883
Harding Florence Wellington Som 5c 327
(There is also a Florence Emily Harding born in Dulverston 1883, but as you haven't mentioned a middle name I assume the above is her).
There is also this marriage record:-
Marriages Dec 1906
Harding Florence Wellington, Som. 5c 578
Ridgeway William Wellington Som 5c 578
And in the 1911 census, there is:-
William Ridgeway b.1886 Residence: Wellington, Somerset;
Florence Rdigeway b.1882 Residence: Wellington Somerset
Eddy Chris Ridgeway b.1906
Alice Evelyn Ridgeway b.1908
Ernest William Ridgeway b.1911
Thanks,
Darin.
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Thank you mazzie74, My Florence was registered with surname of Harden Bridgwater Dec.Qtr 1883 as explained before the name Harden intermingled with Harding but subsquently later on seemed to stay as Harding. It has been a trial for me for many years tracing various members but now Florence is only sibling of my Grandfather that I cannot find after 1901 Census when she was working as Domestic Servant alongside her sister Sarah who was a cook at home of William Thompson (Ironmonger and shopkeeper). I have researched the Wellington Florence and cannot find any connection to my line of Harding family although family names seem to be consistent in both Harding families but christian names were very common as I have found to my cost. Cannot find death, ages well out so she most likely moved away, perhaps when sister Sarah emigrated to America 1903. Sorry long winded, Syljun
P.S. I need all the help I can get.
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P.S. to above. Have been on Australia Board and a kind researcher has found a notice in Victoria Public Record Office that Florence Harding who sailed on SS Suivec was 22yrs of age which fits in nicely with my Florence. I am hoping to further research to confirm or eliminate her as Grandfather's sister.
Any further help from anyone would be great. Here's hoping. Syljun
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Hi Sylvia,
Another possibility - but doesn't give age:-
Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 8 January 1910
Sailing From Liverpool - Miss Florence Harding.
Thanks,
Darin.
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Hi again Sylvia,
Queensland Figaro and Punch - Tuesday 2 July 1912
Possible marriage - gives husbands origin (Leicester), but not Florence's:-
Thanks,
Darin.
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Hi again Sylvia,
On the off-chance that the Harding - Wheatcroft marriage is the correct one - it looks like her death was 1943 as per this in memorium from 1947:-
Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Queensland) - Tuesday 21 October 1947
Addenda - also found the death notice 1943.
Thanks,
Darin.
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gosh Darin you have been busy. Nothing to say age or where born but if Florence died 1943 she would be 60. Perhaps if I could find approx birth of her husband it might give a clue. thanks for info. will have to investigate further and put out SOS. will try anyway to further research. Thanks again, appreciate help. Might crack this wall. Syljun
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Hi Sylvia,
birth of husband:-
Births Mar 1882
Wheatcroft Alliene Louis Stow, S. 4a 680
Stow is in Suffolk, not Leicestershire, so he must have moved there after birth.
Thanks,
Darin.
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Hi again Sylvia,
Somebody has Alliene Louis Wheatcroft and Florence Harding in their tree, but they have Florence's parents as Richard Ross Harding and Isabella Piercy Canopus Hardie, and state that she was born in Queensland in 1880, so looks like a dead end.
That's why it didn't state an English town of origin in her marriage record.
Sorry,
Darin.
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Oh dear, Here was me thinking I was about to find her. Perhaps the 1904 Sailing of Florence from Liverpool will come up trumps if I can further research. You have worked hard and thank you for your time. Regards, syljun
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Hi Sylvia,
One more crack,
What about this marriage:-
Marriages Dec 1907
GLEAVE Edward Henry Ulverston 8e 1529
HARDIN Florence Ulverston 8e 1529
Now this marriage is in Cumbria, but in the 1911 census, the Gleave's are living in Yeovil, Somerset and Florence is given as born in Somerset - age 30 - not too far away.
Her husband was born in Lancashire.
Household GLEAVE, Edward Henry 1884 27 M Yeovil Somersetshire
Household GLEAVE, Florence 1881 30 F Yeovil Somersetshire
Household GLEAVE, Henry Hardin 1910 1 M Yeovil Somersetshire
Thanks,
Darin.
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Hi again Sylvia,
Somebody has Alliene Louis Wheatcroft and Florence Harding in their tree, but they have Florence's parents as Richard Ross Harding and Isabella Piercy Canopus Hardie, and state that she was born in Queensland in 1880, so looks like a dead end.
That's why it didn't state an English town of origin in her marriage record.
Sorry,
Darin.
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The 1943 death of Florence Wheatcroft is indexed on Ancestry and does have her parents as Richard Ross Harding, and Isabella
Andy
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Florence Hardin was b. 1881 Montacute, Somerset so can rule her out. Still searching.
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Did Florence Harding in fact ever marry.
Found this entry on the Samaria 29 th July 1939 Liverpool to New York via Boston.
Florence Harding b1883 no occupation, travelling with Vera Bellman,teacher 44.Same booking no.
Brit Citizens last address,Glastonbury.
Were they going over to escape the War,as so many did at that time.
Brionne.
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Interesting Brionne, Fact is I do not know if Florence married. If she was in U.K. 1911 why wasn't she on 1911 Census.
1901 Census she was working as Domestic Servant so hardly think she had much money to go travelling but perhaps someone could find some info. to Vera Bellman. Florence would be 55/56.
Thanks for the entry, will try and find out more Syljun
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Hi
Servants sometimes travelled with their employers, have you checked the Scottish and Irish censuses?
Andy
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Hi, Can you post your correct Florence Harding b1883 again in 1901 with all details please,as there are so many.
The shipping reference I found in 1939 could be her,as that is a long time from her early 1901 info.
Thanks Brionne.
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1901 Address: Brent Lodge, Taunton Road, Bridgwater County: Somersetshire
William Thompson 63 Agnes M F Thompson 61 S Isabel Thompson 25
Sarah Harding 27
Florence Harding 18
The 1939 Passenger list was mentioned in this message board post
http://mygenesreunited.com.au/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1296115
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Florence A Harding
Name: Florence A Harding
Arrival Date: 8 Aug 1939
Birth Year: abt 1883
Birth Location: China
Birth Location Other: tai yuen
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Welsh
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Samaria
This lady was married. Her contact in the UK was a Lady Hillier of Berkshire.
This is what has been found previously in message boards posts for Florence Harding.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=es1sj8kj66iunoijmtovul4ta5&action=printpage;topic=601144.0
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.som.general/13595.3.1/mb.ashx
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1301244
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599679.msg4494264.html#msg4494264
Sandra
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Hi again,
Have had a real good look around for your very elusive Florence or Florie as she is named on the 1891.
But unfortunately am unable to come up with anything constructive.
There is always the possibility that she was illegitimate I suppose,I notice her sister Sarah age 15 on 1891 is working for a George and Eliza Carver at The Grange,Stawell,Somerset,who had a daughter Florence A Carver age 28,but probably just a coincidence.
Florence whereabouts is certainly a mystery.Parents Charles and Elizabeth did a good job in registering all their other children in the Harding name in Bridgwater,seems odd that the youngest should end up with a different one,,,,,Harden.
Good luck anyway,
Brionne.
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Hi, I am a Harding who lives in Stawell. I was church warden a couple of years ago and had access to births, deaths and marriage records. My grandfather was Henry Francis Harding, known as "Harry". My parents are still living in Stawell, father John Henry and mother Violet Amy Ann. I have photos of my great grandfather's brothers, Frank and Fredrick, who both worked on farms in the village. Also a distant relative of our family has lived in the house that was owned by our Auntie Minnie, her name is Jean Banger. I have sourced our family history some years ago and found a connection in South Wales, she is a descendent of a brother of my great grandfather who went Wales.