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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: aggiebagwash on Wednesday 06 June 12 13:22 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find the name of the Catholic Church in Lisscarrol in order to confirm the date of a Baptismal record. I can't even find a reference to a Church.
Does anyone know the name and address of the local Catholic Church where I could find the records?
Thanking you in anticipation
Margaret :)
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There's been an RC Church in Liscarroll town, presumably the parish church, just west of the town centre back to at least the 1830s. Dont know if it's the same name these days, but on the 1890s map it's referred to as "St. Joseph's"
Historic records for the parish are available on microfilm Pos. 4999 in the National Library.
Shane
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Thank you Shane I'll have to see if I can access them somehow. I live in England so it's a bit too far to travel.
Margaret :)
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There's a possibility that transcripts might be included on the pay-website at RootsIreland for the parish.... I'll try to confirm..
It's not listed as Liscarroll but Churchtown.. which is one of the civil parishes included in Liscarrol RC parish.
Shane
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I think it's the same parish - the dates covered match and the NLI Index lists film 4999 as 'Liscarroll and Churchtown'.
There seems to be two slightly overlapping registers covering baptisms from early 1812, and marriages from early 1813.
Shane
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That's brilliant Shane I am looking for a birth that should be 1878 but the only one I can find on familysearch is 1874 so I'll have to prove it through the Baptismal records. Luckily enough I do have the name of one brother and hopefully this will lead to the name of their parents. I need to prove that he is my great uncle to clear up a family mystery.
Thanks once again your help is really appreciated.
Margaret
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Hi 'aggie...'
Do you want to give us the names so we can try and help ?
Tara
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Thanks for the offer of some help.
I am looking for James Wigmore and his brother Stephen. James was born circa 1878 and I know that is the correct date from the 1901 and 1911 census but I'm not sure about Stephen's birth year, both were born in Liscarrol.
The only other clue I have is that they were distantly related to Archbishop Mannix.
I found a James Wigmore born 1874 in Liscarrol to Stephen Wigmore and Ann Brien but the baptism is too early so I'm really stuck now.
Margaret
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Hi Margaret
Do you have a marriage cert for either James or Stephen to confirm their father's name ?
The free index on ifhf shows the James b 1874 in Churchtown RC Church to Stephen that you have found on family search
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0naa/
The free index shows a James Wigmore baptised 1878 in Churchtown RC Church to a James Wigmore and Kate O'Callaghan
This is some of their children of familysearch (note a son called Stephen)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0na9/
As you probably know none of these sites are infallable and what's on one isn't necessarily on the other
Tara
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They were both Priests. Stephen was the PP in Kanturk until his death in 1962 although he did spend some time in Salford near Manchester and James moved to Australia in 1911 and he lived there until his death in 1972.
I think you could be on to something with James Wigmore and Kate O'Callaghan.
Margaret
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Hello Margaret,
I am researching the Wigmores from Liscarroll also, my G Grandmother was Elizabeth Wigmore, I have a little information and think that she is connected to James and Stephen. Her father was Stephen Wigmore born in 1816 in Liscarroll. Its quite confusing as the names James and Stephen seem to be very common in the family. I can try and answer any questions you may have, and maybe we will both learn something, I am in intrigued to know what this family mystery is.
MozzyA
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I am trying to prove or disprove that Stephen born 1876 and James Wigmore born 1878 are the correct family connection. I know they are brothers and I suspect that the ages I have from censuses are correct as they were well educated men. I want to eliminate as many as I can until I home in on the correct brothers but I can't find out much about Stephen and James who were both Catholic priests. I know the Wigmore name occurs a lot in Lisscarrol and the surrounding area and that the names Stephen and James occur in more than one family. It's just finding the right Wigmore family.
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James and Stephen are the sons of James Wigmore and Kate O' Callaghan, Stephen was baptised on the 8th of February 1876 in Churchtown and James was baptised on the 4th of April 1878.
The members of the Wigmore Family buried in Liscarroll are as follows,
Stephen Wigmore died November 1876 aged 28
Patrick Wigmore MD died 1877 aged 27
Stephen Wigmore died 1909 aged 92
John Wigmore died 1874 aged 36
James B Wigmore died 1886 aged 76
Ellen Wigmore (wife of Stephen) died 1866
John Wigmore died 1809 aged 64 years &
John Wigmore died November 1766.
I hope that this may be of assistance to you.
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Thank you so much MozzyA I really appreciate the information. I've got a little further at last thanks to you. If I can reciprocate any time please let me know.
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Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone has any information on Olympia Wigmore of Liscarroll? Olympia married William Murphy of Churchtown approx 1837 and they had 4 sons Daniel, John, Stephen and James who all became priests in the United States.
John Murphy
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John I suggest you open a new topic for your query so more people will see your request.
Margaret :)
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Thanks Margaret. I will. I do suspect she is related to Wigmore's listed here.
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I am trying to prove or disprove that Stephen born 1876 and James Wigmore born 1878 are the correct family connection. I know they are brothers and I suspect that the ages I have from censuses are correct as they were well educated men. I want to eliminate as many as I can until I home in on the correct brothers but I can't find out much about Stephen and James who were both Catholic priests. I know the Wigmore name occurs a lot in Lisscarrol and the surrounding area and that the names Stephen and James occur in more than one family. It's just finding the right Wigmore family.
From my research into the Liscarroll Wigmores, Stephen & James we the sons of James Wigmore & Kate O'Callaghan. The father James died in a hunting accident in 1877 just prior to the birth of son James. Their uncle was Rev John Canon Wigmore of Mallow. Hope this helps. I've attached Stephen's obituary. James spent time in Sheffield before going to Australia.
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Thank you so much for all that information it makes for interesting reading. This is the Wigmore family I've been looking for. Have you any more details about their father James and his accident?
I can add a little more data for you, Stephen and James were distant relatives of Archbishop Mannix but that's all I know.
Margaret
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The farther James and his brother Stephen both died in hunting/horse accidents about the same time. I've attached a clipping on the death of Stephen (i presume Stephen given the date 1875). Also, there was a brother Patrick who did around the same time it seems he caught an infection from a patient.
I've also attached the obituary of Stephen Wigmore (1816-1909) - this my answer lots of question (and give you lots more)
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Thank you so much for all that information it makes for interesting reading. This is the Wigmore family I've been looking for. Have you any more details about their father James and his accident?
I can add a little more data for you, Stephen and James were distant relatives of Archbishop Mannix but that's all I know.
Margaret
Stephen Wigmore - 1816 - 1909 obituary
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Wow that is some family tree. He was really well thought of and the family look like they were very intelligent and intensly religious.
So James was James' (1879) grandfather. Do you have any information about James' Father dying before his birth? Was the accident on the farm?
James stayed in Australia for the rest of his life and died in 1972 age 93.
Margaret
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Nothing on James death beyond the mention in Stephens obituary. Stephen was the grandfather. See attached for the tree as I understand it.
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Thank you so much you've confirmed a lot of the information I have and it makes me feel more comfortable about calling it the Wigmore family tree.
I'll see if I caan find anything else about James' fathers death and I will let you know if I find anything.
Thanks once again.
Margaret :)
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Happy to help. If you do find out more on the death of James please let me know.
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I think I may be related to Kate Callaghan, wife of James Wigmore. She may have been a sister of my g-g grandmother Julia Callaghan. Their father was Patrick Callaghan. At the time of the 1911 census, Kate was a widow and I suspect that there may not be any descendants of this branch of the Wigmore family. Kate listed 5 children born and 3 still living. Those still living were probably Ellen Mary who did not marry, and James and Stephen -both priests. Her son in law was also a widower as Kate's daughter died having given birth to only one daughter, Mary Josephine Culhane, who also died of double pneumonia, aged 17. If anybody is familiar with the history of this family, I would be extremely grateful to hear from you.