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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: barbara13511 on Thursday 07 June 12 18:35 BST (UK)
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Can anyone do me a look up of the above to see who was staying there in 1871?
Thanks
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Hi
As far as I know - only Find My Past have the Scottish census searchable by address and their T & C's prevent such info being published from their website
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Thanks Carole, I have a subscription to that site but nothing is coming up under Cornton or Cornton St or Easter Cornton or Cornton House using the address search. I thought perhaps someone had knowledge of this place.
Barbara
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Duncan and Jamieson's Stirling Directory for 1870-71 doesn't list a Cornton House. Do you know what type of house it was - was it possibly a farm?
1866 'Threepeny Guide' gives names of a number of farmers in the area:
Robert Lucas at Mid-Cornton, John Proudfoot at West-Cornton and Thomas Steel at East-Cornton.
These guides are available free on Internet archive. Go to http://archive.org/details/texts and type Stirling directories into search box.
Hope this might help a bit
Sandy
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I have a Mrs Tweedie alias Halliburton owning a house in Edinburgh in 1873 who says she lives in Cornton House, Stirlling. I don't think she was there in 1871 but would like to have an idea of who was there but I don't have any further information. Do you know if it comes under something other than Stirling for its address as I just can't get it to come up doing an address search even missing the House part out.
Thanks Sandy for that, will have a look and see if it helps at all.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
Cornton is now regarded as part of Stirling, and there are a number of housing developments there, but in the 1870's I think it would have mainly been farmland. Looking at Google earth satellite view there are 2 buildings in the area showing up as Cornton house. One looks like a modern house, but the other is part of a group of buildings, which may have been farm buildings, on what looks like a small lane named Cornton House Road which is off the Easter Cornton Road. Google's street view doesn't cover the area to allow a closer look! There could have been an older building at some time with the same name. Also found a reference to a Cornton house in Doune which is near Stirling, but I think is/was in Perthshire rather than Stirlingshire. I have some books about old Stirling which might have more clues I'll have a rummage through these and see if I can find anymore unless someone else comes up with the answer before then.
Regards
Sandy
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I appreciate that, Sandy. I have managed to find Cornton Road, Cornton and Cornton Brickworks under Logie, Perthshire on Find my past but so far no Cornton House. Maybe try Doune now with your advice.
Barbara
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Barbara
I've looked through books I have but Cornton doesn't get a mention in any of them! Had a look at the large scale OS maps available on the NLS web site and there is very little in the area, other than what are presumably the farms, on the maps from the 1860's. There are a few more features in the next survey which was after 1871, (1880's I think) including the brickworks you mention. The farms and some other buildings are named on these maps. Couldn't see a Cornton House, but there was a Cornton Cottage (also Cornton Vale where HM Prison is now located!)
By the way Cornton, Stirling is part of Logie Parish. I think the county boundaries moved about a bit between Stirlingshire, Perthshire (and part maybe even into Clackmannanshire) over the years.
If I find any more I'll post it, but hopefully someone with more knowledge of the area will provide the answer.
Regards
Sandy
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Thank you very much Sandy.
I am really trying to find out why a woman from the Borders (a postmistress from Gattonside) owns a house in Edinburgh and then later says she lives in Stirling. Cornton House is where she said she lived so any idea of people in the area is helpful. I am beginning to think she was a bit of a schemer. She eventually went to Oz around 1880 claiming to have been married twice to surgeons in the Indian army but she was never married. She did however end up owning rather a lot of silverware and pictures belonging to a possible lover and possibly father of her child. It is amazing what valuation rolls show so I perhaps need to go in that direction now.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
You can search A/try by address. A quick look really shows nothing more than you have found on FindMyPast I think. References to Cornton* seem to lie in Perthshire, Logie mostly really with the references to road, cottage, toll house etc. 1881 shows Logie as Stirlingshire.
Using wildcards and searching only in Stirlingshire, only brings up a Corston at Killearn, Stirlingshire with a handful of people.
What do you have on Mrs Tweedie that could help to find her in 1871?
Monica :)
Added: Also from 1881, there is a family living at Cornton House Cottage, at Logie Stirlingshire and also a farmer at Cornton House Farm.
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I don't think she was there in 1871...
Is this Mrs Tweedie in 1871:
Elise H Tweedie 38, Annuitant b. Melrose, Rox.
Ina H Tweedie 16 daughter b. b. Melrose, Rox.
John W Corner 17, nephew, clerk b. Melrose, Rox.
Janet J Purdie 15, niece b. Newington, edinr
Margaret Harvey 20, servant
Address: 14a Dublin St, Edinburgh
There is a will and inventory entry for Elizabeth Halliburton/Tweedie in 1897 on SP. Maybe some clues there relating to property owned?
Is this also Elizabeth in 1861?
Janet Haliburton 64 b. Earlston, Berwickshire
Elizabeth Haliburton 28, daughter, post office mistress b. Melrose
Andrina Haliburton 6 granddaugher, b. Melrose
Address: Gattonside, Melrose
Monica
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Monica, I have "Mrs Tweedie" in 1871. Inverted commas as she wasn't really. She owned 14 Dublin Street, Edinburgh and was living there in 1871 but in 1874 she was living in Cornton House, Stirling, still owning the property in Edinburgh - according to valuation rolls. I just thought that 1871 was the nearest census to find who was in the house in Stirling. I can't think of a reason for living there unless a relative or friend was there.
I have the will and think she is quite a lady. A lot of lies being told and no idea how she got her property nor her possessions when she went to Australia. I had just hoped Stirling would give a clue, however small.
Just for interest the Janet Purdie in 1871 as niece was registered as Janet Purdie Hall and was the "daughter of a gentleman" in the 61 census but living with Elizabeth's sister and family.
In 1870-71 she is co-owner of the house in Edinburgh with a William Bonnington who is a joiner from the Borders.
The plot thickens.
Barbara
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We (Belinda and I, Jonathan) are so pleased to come across this research which gives valuable information about "Mrs Tweedie". It appears that her niece Janet Purdie was Belinda's great grandmother. We have never been able to find Janet's birth record or any other information except that she married Robert Rutherford Hay in Edinburgh in 1882. We are presently doing some family research while in Scotland, visiting from Australia. The information about "Mrs Tweedie" is interesting. Belinda has the shipping record of her travelling to Australia on the SS Afghan in 1879 accompanied by Miss Alice Tweedie aged 17 and Miss Janet Purdie aged 23. Any more light that can be shed on either "Mrs Tweedie" or Janet Purdie, would be gratefully received.
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Jonathan
I think barbara's post above is indicating Janet's birth was registered with surname Hall, which might explain why you have had problems finding it. Familysearch has birth Janet Jane Purdie Hall b 25 Dec 1855 in Edinburgh, mother Margaret Hall, no name for father. You should be able to obtain record from Scotland's people web site (or by visiting their Centre in Edinburgh if you have a chance). Enjoy your trip to Scotland!
Sandy
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Thank you Sandy,
Yes Barbara has pointed to the birth of Janet Jane Purdie Hall in 1855, but she suggests that this person becomes "Janet Purdie in 1871". I'd love to get in contact with Barbara as she appears to have fascinating information about my wife's grandmother (who became Janet Crosbie Purdie on her marriage certificate to Robert Rutherford Hay in 1882) and citing her mother as Lucy Haliburton, not Margaret Hall). We'd love to know how Barbara found out that JJPH was "daughter of a gentleman" and all the other bits and pieces. This is such a mystery.