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Title: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: Echovalley on Friday 08 June 12 04:11 BST (UK)
   I have just received a copy of the probate re William Brown and although he was a resident of the Island of Skye, he died 'at Galashiels in or about........day of December 1860'.  He was born in ?Selkirk, c 1809 so he could have been visiting relatives and/or droving sheep to that area though in December you would wonder about any long distance travel.
   In the past I have not been able to find a gravestone in Skye and I am now wondering whether he would have been buried in the Galashiel area.
   His wife was a Margaret Davidson, b 1808, Dumfriess and their son Christopher, my gr grandfather came to NZ in 1873.
   Has anyone seen a gravestone re this man from Skye?   
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: barbara13511 on Saturday 09 June 12 17:24 BST (UK)
Have you found his death record, Lindemann?  Death records from around that time often give place of burial.

What were his parent's names, do you know?

Barbara
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: terianne on Saturday 09 June 12 22:06 BST (UK)
remember not every death has a gravestone - depends on the familys ability to afford one or willingness to do so - try checking the lair books in Skye
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: Echovalley on Saturday 09 June 12 22:56 BST (UK)
Thanks for the emails.  I have looked for a death on Scotlandspeople, all areas and cannot find an entry for his death.  William's parents were Thomas Brown b c 1781, Ettrick, who m 12th May 1804 a Margaret Thomson b c 1776 at Roberton, down as Selkirk and Ross.
    Nearly ten years I asked a researcher, from the Museum of the Isles, Skye, about the Brown family and she couldn't find a death for our William Brown in Skye. There was a William Brown listed but she knew that he wasn't connected to our family. Thanks again, all comments most appreciated. 
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: barbara13511 on Sunday 17 June 12 09:28 BST (UK)
Lindemann, there is a James Brown dying in Gala in 1857 son of Thomas Brown and Margaret Thomson.  His son Henry signed the cetificate and James died of TB.  James was a valet and married but the wife is not given.  Obviously not William but did wonder if William was known as James or had a middle name James?

Barbara
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: Echovalley on Monday 18 June 12 00:41 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara,
    I have just three sons' names listed for this family with parents Thomas and Margaret, nee Thomson.  A James b Selkirk,20th Jun 1807, our William b Stow, Midlothian, c 22nd May 1809 and Robert b Galashiels Selkirk on 8th March 1811.
   I would think that the James you mentioned was his elder brother, thank you for that information.
   I had put in my first post that our William was born ? Selkirk but in the 1851 census he is down as born in Stow, Midlothian and from looking on a road map that is not far away from Selkirk/Galshiels so the family chat that he was born near Galashiels could be right, just a different county.  Thank you
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: barbara13511 on Friday 22 June 12 13:09 BST (UK)
Have Gala library got back to you?

Barbara
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: Echovalley on Friday 22 June 12 21:33 BST (UK)
No, not yet, still hopeful.
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: barbara13511 on Friday 22 June 12 22:40 BST (UK)
If they are open Sat morning, could go look for you?
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: Echovalley on Saturday 23 June 12 01:21 BST (UK)
What a lovely offer, thank you
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: barbara13511 on Saturday 23 June 12 13:56 BST (UK)
Hi Lindemann

Not much in the papers, just a notice of death.

Border Advertiser Fri, Dec 28 1860

At Crosslee on the 21st inst W Brown, Shepherd Isle of Skye aged 57 years

That is all I am afraid and no mention of it being a sudden death, others in the same paper said suddently on the ??st inst.  And no mention of his body being found, I searched all of December and January in case any inquest was mentioned - nothing.

Barbara
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: barbara13511 on Saturday 23 June 12 17:55 BST (UK)
Oh and crosslee is in the Bowland area just outside Galashiels heading for Stow and the temperature that week was -25!

Barbara
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: Echovalley on Saturday 23 June 12 22:34 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara, 
   Thank you very much for the information.  The area Crosslee is interesting because in the 1841 and 1851 census his parents were living at Crossle Coat House, Stow.  I could not find Thomas and Margaret Brown in the 1861 census so I presumed that they had died though I cannot find their deaths in Scotlandspeople.
   In the 1841 census from Findmypast only the Brown occupants are listed but in the Ancestry version they also include a Alexander Kedie, George Scott, Margaret Scott and daughter plus an older man William Scott.  Anyway, I guess a graveyard near Crosslee might be William's resting place.  He had several hundred pounds in the bank and another hundred in sheep and cattle so the family might have provided a tombstone especially if there are other family members in the same place.
   Anyway, thank you very much, and for adding the temperature, goodness me I didnt realise that the temperature could be so low in that area. 
 
Title: Re: William Brown, died December 1860, ? local gravestone
Post by: barbara13511 on Saturday 23 June 12 23:03 BST (UK)
can't believe the paper got that right, actually.  Think James' parents were both deceased on his death so they would be dead by William's.

Barbara