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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: shanew147 on Saturday 09 June 12 22:22 BST (UK)
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Thread to document missing, or possibly missing, streets or townlands from the 1901 and or 1911 census returns. Reply to this thread with possible additions, and these will be added to the list.
Note the names of some townlands are mistranscribed, or recorded as variants, so may not be easy to locate.
The list could eventually help in correcting the census returns.
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Leinster
1911
Dublin City - Rotunda Ward ?, Synott Place,
Dublin City - Rotunda/Inn's Quay Wards, part Dorset St. Upr (No.s 72 to 84)
Dublin - Alma Terrace, Anna Villa Lower & Upper, Annesley Park, Appian Way,
Arranmore Villas, Ashbrook Terrace, Ashfield Avenue, Ashfield Road,
Avondale Road, Avondale Villas, Banna Villa,
Beechwood Avenue Lower & Upper, Beechwood Road, Belgrave Place,
Belgrave Road, Belgrave Square, Belgrave Terrace, Belgrave Villas,
Bessborough Parade, Byrne's Cottages (Milltown), Cambridge Road
(never filmed, status of forms unknown...)
Co. Louth - Haggardstown DED, Black Rock town
Co. Kildare - Caragh/Carragh DED, townlands of
Carragh, Castlekeely, Derreens
Gingerstown, Halverstown, Raheens
1901
Dublin City - part of John Dillon St / also missing originals
Dublin City - Rotunda/Inn's Quay Wards, part Dorset St. Upr ? Located
Dublin City - Usher's Quay Ward, Old Kilmainham
Dublin - Rathmines & Rathgar East DED, Albany Terrace, Albert Terrace
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Ulster
1911
Armagh - Crossmaglen town, Crossmaglen DED
Brown's Lane, Carrick Street, Creggan Street, Dundalk Street,
Dundalk Road, Newtownhamilton Street, North Street, The Square.
(forms appear to be missing)
1901
Down - Greencastle DED, Greencastle townland
(forms seem to have survived - see : link (http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/down/census/greencastle.txt))
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1911 Parts of Caragh/Carragh Co.Kildare.
going by the list on the Census 1901 v 1911
Carragh
Castlekeely
Derreens
Gingerstown
Halverstown
Raheens
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1901 Old Kilmainham missing? Looking for number 45 but can't find any street listing or under family name of O'Malley.
[sorry, forgot to put that this is from Dublin City]
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Amagh- Crossmaglen. Most of the town of Crossmaglen is missing from the 1911 census. The missing streets are
Brown's Lane
Carrick Street
Creggan Street
Dundalk Street
Dundalk Road
Newtownhamilton Street
North Street
The Square.
When I tried to bring it up with the National Archives. I got absolutely no explanation. I requested and saw the actual census sheets for Crossmaglen, but the file was largely empty and no one seemed to know why the relevant sheets were missing. There seemed to be no record of what happened to the census sheets. I have all the above streets for 1901 and as this is where my ancestors lived I am familiar with where they should have been living at that time.
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1901 Census. Dublin, Rathmines & Rathgar East DED. The following streets are missing:-
• Albany Terrace
• Albert Terrace
• Alma Terrace
• Anna Villa Lower
• Anna Villa Upper
• Annesley Park
• Appian Way
• Arranmore Villas
• Ashbrook Terrace
• Ashfield Avenue
• Ashfield Road
• Avondale Road
• Avondale Villas
• Banna Villa
• Beechwood Avenue Lower.
• Beechwood Avenue Upper.
• Beechwood Road
• Belgrave Place
• Belgrave Road
• Belgrave Square
• Belgrave Terrace
• Belgrave Villas
• Bessborough Parade
• Byrne's Cottages, Milltown
• Cambridge Road
Inquiring about this in the National Archives some months ago, I was told the returns for these streets were never filmed.
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Terraces were often not listed on their own (in Dublin city and suburbs anyway) - but appear as part of the street they were on, so are not specifically named, although details sometimes appear on the building returns.
Shane
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Not all terraces are groups of houses on a street with another name. Some are small streets in their own right. This is certainly the case with some, though probably not all, of the terraces listed in my post. Whatever the status of the terraces, all of the places in my post are shown individually in the 1911 census. I discovered the gap in coverage in the 1901 online returns when searching for Bessborough Parade. Not finding it, I compared the lists for the Rathmines & Rathgar East electoral division in 1901 and 1911 and was surprised at the extent of the ommissions. It was when I later sought out the microfilms for the area in the National Archives that I was told the returns for some of the streets had not been filmed. I saw the paper returns for Bessborough Parade in the Archives years ago and got the information I needed but I would have liked to have had an image of the return completed by my great grandmother.
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Do you know where Avondale Rd., Ranelagh was, or is ?
It seems to disappear sometime during the 1920s..
S.
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In 1901 Avondale Villas is listed as part of Dunville Ave., just two houses shown in Thom's 1899 - and the occupants correspond to those on the 1901 returns at sites 452 (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Dunville_Avenue/1292133/) & 453 (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Dunville_Avenue/1292134/)
S.
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I'm afraid I don't know where Avondale Road might have been. Does Thom's not give any clues,e.g. through adjacent streets? Is it possible the name changed at some point? As an example, Oakley Road in Ranelagh was originally named Cullenswood Avenue.
Dermo
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Just bumping this up.
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Hi Shane
Avondale Villas is marked on the 25"-to-the-mile historic OSi maps here (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,716159,731487,7,9). It seems to refer to what is now the row of shops starting at Morton's Supermarket on the corner of Moyne Road.
I'm sure I've seen the name Avondale somewhere in the neighbourhood on a near daily basis for most of my life - could it be on the gate piers of the group of houses on the opposite side of Dunville Avenue, just opposite Beechwood Luas stop? The Google Streetview image (http://goo.gl/maps/EPQBf) isn't clear enough to read the name, but I'll check next time I'm passing.
I arrived at this thread looking for the 1901 census returns for Belgrave Square, Rathmines which is nearby (not to be confused with Belgrave Square in Monkstown). At least I know now why I can't find it online. I'm following up this marriage notice:
Irish Independent 1905-2001*
Thursday, September 19, 1912
Page: 1
O'HALLORAN and CULLIGAN - September 11,
1912, at the Church of Our Lady of Victories,
High street, Kensington, London, S.W., by the
Rev. Canon Fanning, Patrick Francis, son of
P. J. O'Halloran, Mount Allen, Co. Clare, to
Mary (Cisy) [sic], daughter of the late Michael
Culligan, 1 Belgrave square, Rathmines.
Not only is P J O'Halloran's wife's family probably missing from the online 1901 census, but his first cousin once removed Maria O'Halloran is missing from the online 1911 census. Here's my account of that problem, written and reported to the National Archives a couple of years ago:
In the 1911 census, the Osburne family who ran Lindville Private Lunatic Asylum were enumerated in the townland of Ballintemple, D.E.D. of Blackrock, co. Cork. There were 175 houses in the townland, but none looks like an Asylum on the basis of the list of surnames at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Blackrock/Ballintemple/
However, page 11 of the House and Building Return (From B1) at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894527/
shows clearly that building 175 was Lindville Private Lunatic Asylum, with 45 windows in Front of House, head of family (matron) Marian Mackenzie, and 72 persons in the family. Only 22 people (matron and 21 servants) appear on the transcript at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Blackrock/Ballintemple/400968/
The household return extends to four pages:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894864/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894865/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894866/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894867/
It includes only the 22 people in the transcript.
The enumerators abstract at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001894515/
confirms that there were 72 people in household no. 175, and 880 people in the whole townland of Ballintemple.
Searching the database for townland=Ballintemple, DED=Blackrock, County=Cork gives 1146 hits.
Searching the database for townland="Ballintemple town", DED=Blackrock, County=Cork gives 316 hits.
So there are clearly 1146-316=830 people in the transcript for Ballintemple out of the 880 reported by the enumerator.
i.e. the 50 lunatics in Lindville have not been transcribed.
Does the original form on which the lunatics were returned survive? Has it been microfilmed? Has it been digitised?
It might also be an idea to start a thread for missing Will Calendars ... the 1859 M-Z entries and entire 1860 A-Z Calendars of Wills are missing from microfilms and website.
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In the 1901 Census - Moore Street, Kilrush - the House and Building return for nos.65-80, the fifth page for the street, was filmed twice:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000481892/
and
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000481894/
At
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Kilrush_Urban/Moore_Street/1082360/
pages 4 and 5 are consequently reversed.
Page 4 is linked to
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000481892/
but should be linked to
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000481893/
Page 5 is linked to
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000481893/
but should be linked to either image of the doubly filmed page,
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000481892/
or
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000481894/
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I know parts of Dungarvan are also missing, but cannot find the details at the moment.
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County Galway
1911 Census Townland of Keelogue East DED Toberoe Glenamaddy PLU -42 households . Archives said these were never filmed and ordered the original for me - so got to see them and took copies of House and Building returns - Wonder if I should post these somewhere?
annclare
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In Shanew's second message in this thread, the missing Rathmines streets are shown under 1911 instead of 1901 (as confirmed by dermo in a later post). Should that message be edited to avoid confusion?
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Shane hasn't been online since Aug.2013 and would no longer be able to edit the post anyway.
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Hi pwaldron,
I have edited the post for you :)
Regards
Sarah
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Anyone know if parts of Belfast are missing from 1911. I'm finding the Browse by Place very confusing for Antrim, I just don't know the county well enough I guess.
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Not sure but if you post the street it shouldn't be too hard to check :)
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I don't have one.
I'm trying to find this child https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBGP-C38
If he's who I think he is he grew up in Belfast, but can't find him anywhere in the country.
Just started on him don't have parents names yet.
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Michael Traynor born 22 Jan.1907 Belfast district, mother- Morgan
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Oh Thanks, that's good to have.
Found his marriage today (Dublin) so I may get the cert and work back. A census return would have been nice, not to be for the moment at least.
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Hi,
On 27 Jul 1899 Patrick TRAINOR married Margaret Morgan in Warrenpoint Roman Catholic Church. Another source spells the name as TRAYNOR. The fathers' names are not recorded.
Regard
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Looks good. I'll add them to my notes. Thank you.
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Brownsford townland in ED Brownsford Co Kilkenny is missing from 1901.
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I have not been on Rootschat since January. It looks like Sarah has moved two of the missing 1901 Rathmines streets back from 1911, but left the other 23 under 1911. Dermo says that all 25 are missing from 1901. Shanew147 originally said that all 25 were missing from 1911. I believe that Dermo was correct.
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A bemused Californian turned to me as she tried to plan a visit to her ancestral roots in Kerry.
I eventually figured out that her greatgrandfather's census return and many others are filed under the wrong townland on the website.
There are 21 houses in Knocknahoe townland according to the house and building return at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000870869/
and
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000870870/
It looks like only the first page of the enumerator's abstract for this townland has been filmed, at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000870868/
and likewise only the first page of the Out-Offices and Farm-Steadings Return at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000870875/
followed immediately by the return for the Rahilly family in house 1 at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000870876/
Only houses 1 and 5 of the 21 houses in Knocknahoe are listed at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Knocknahoe/Knocknahoe/
The remaining houses in Knocknahoe are wrongly listed instead under the adjoining townland of Knocknaskeha at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Knocknahoe/Knocknaskeha/
Houses 2.1, 3.1, 6.1, 7.1 and 8 upwards should be moved from Knocknaskeha to their rightful place in Knocknahoe (and will no longer require the ".1" suffix).
House 2.2, 3.2, 6.2 and 7.2 in Knocknaskeha will likewise then no longer require the ".2" suffix.
House 4 in Knocknahoe was uninhabited, so there is no surplus suffix in this case.
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1. John Grenham's now online-only column has some excellent advice on locating missing census returns:
http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/irishroots/2016/03/02/the-strange-afterlife-of-the-census-microfilms/
2. There is no mention of Mayo so far either on this thread or in John Grenham's list. The 1901 DED of Kilbeagh in that county appears to have been divided in 1911 into (a) part of a different Kilbeagh and (b) a new DED called Sonnagh. However, the 1911 Kilbeagh includes eight areas not listed in 1901:
Ballagh Street
Ballyglass, East
Bracklagh
Brackloonagh (Sth.)
Bullaun
Cashel
Copplecurragh
Main Street
I assume that Ballagh Street and Main Street were part of Charlestown in 1901. But where were the other six townlands?
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In the townland of Ailldavore in Kinturk DED in County Clare in the 1901 census, there were four households.
Only three of the household returns appear to have been microfilmed.
Only two of the microfilmed household returns were indexed on the website.
Only one of the indexed household returns is numbered correctly: house 2 headed by John Pilkington.
House 1 on the website is really house 4 in the handwritten returns.
The real house 1 (apparently not microfilmed) comprised John Murphy (head) and six other persons.
House 3 (microfilmed but not indexed) comprised John Maloney (60) and his wife Margaret (59).
Here are links to the PDFs of the relevant microfilm images with brief descriptions of each:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000465800/ not found
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000465801/ microfilm header
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000465802/ Ailldavore enumerator's abstract
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000465803/ Ailldavore house and building return:
(house 1 John Murphy, 7 persons; house 2, John Pilkington, 9 persons; house 3, John Maloney, 2 persons; house 4, James McCaw, 7 persons)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000465804/ Ailldavore out-offices etc.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000465805/ B4 McCaw
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000465806/ B3 Maloney
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000465807/ B2 Pilkington
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000465808/ Clonbooly enumerator's abstract
Can anyone find the PDF image for the missing Murphy household, possible filmed out of sequence?
John Murphy might just show up in house 1.1 or house 1.2 in whatever townland his household return eventually inadvertently ended up in, leading to duplicate house 1 returns in that townland.
The missing Murphy return appears to have been microfilmed but not digitised, as the family are at
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/1901census/kinturk_ded_ailldavore38_1.htm
which was presumably transcribed from the microfilms and not from the originals.
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Census records that are hard to find come in three categories:
(1) paper records that were never microfilmed;
(2) microfilm records that were never transcribed; and
(3) transcribed records that are not in the place expected.
Category (3) includes many cases where two distinct paper files have been transcribed under the same townland and DED headings in the database.
For example, in County Mayo, the paper records labelled "118/14" and "118/19/File 1 of 2" are both labelled "Sonnagh (Sonnagh, Mayo)" on the website.
As a result of this, there are duplicate database records for the first 28 houses at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Sonnagh/Sonnagh/
Hence, for example, the "occupants" links for the five surnames under house 1 point to two different database records, one for the Kellys of Sonnagh (farmers), the other for Burke/Garahan/McCormach/Phillips of Main Street (drapers).
118/14 comprises the microfilm images from
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003025303/
to
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003025443/
The transcriptions from these images are correctly labelled "Sonnagh (Sonnagh, Mayo)" on the website.
118/19/File 1 of 2 comprises the microfilm images from
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003025647/
to
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003025705/
The transcriptions from these images are also labelled "Sonnagh (Sonnagh, Mayo)" on the website, but should be labelled something like "Main Street, Charlestown urban (Sonnagh, Mayo)".
This confusion arises most often in cases where a townland is divided into urban and rural files, which might be labelled, e.g., "Doonbeg" and "Doonbeg town", but are both labelled "Doonbeg".
I have reported numerous such glitches to the National Archives as I have come across them, but none of them appears to have been fixed. I could add more to this post if there is any interest.
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1901 Dublin - missing Tolka Cottages, Drumcondra. I'm not sure what category of 'missing' they fall into.
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John Grenham's column mentioned above has been moved to
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2017/02/13/the-strange-afterlife-of-the-census-microfilms/
I cannot find any link to allow me to edit my original post.
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Oh thanks for that, I was in the middle of a little project using that information when it 'disappeared' and I couldn't find it anywhere.
You can only edit posts for 24 hours.
If you want to get the link changed you can report to moderator and ask them to do it.
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Does anyone know if some streets in Mallow, Cork are missing from the online census records? I've been trying to locate a family living at West End, Mallow but there is no sign of the street on the census. I'm not sure if it's missing or simply down as being part of the townland of Mallow.
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1901 ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k6q/
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Thank you. For some reason my previous searches had turned up nothing matching West End.
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Missing from 1901 Carnalway DED Kildare
Here it is in 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Carnalway/
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Found a handy website that list the townlands for each census so you can see the ones that are missing, also the spelling differences are easy to spot as well.
Just click on View All Townlands for the county you want.
http://www.bmdnotices.com/ElectoralArea/Index.aspx
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Gortnagapple and Kilronan are in Inishmore DED in Galway in 1911, but not in 1901.
I suspect that they are missing from the website - I found the family that I am looking for in Kilronan in 1911 and cannot find them anywhere in 1901.
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Don't think Gortnagapple is missing- just under different name!
1901- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Inishmore/Kilmurry/1376326 (Bridget Derrane with sons Patrick & Martin)
Ortnagrapple shown on enumerator's abstract-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000811210/
1911- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Inishmore/Gortnagapple/456310 (Bridget Derrane with sons Patrick & Martin)
See note re:Gortnagapple on enumerator's abstract
Both 1901 and 1911 have equal numbers of places in Inishmore DED- you can check to see if Kilronan is also Kilmurney.
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Just quote myself from another thread
Apart from one street beginning with M every street up to R is missing from Usher's Quay in 1901
Most of the Ms one N, two O, all the Ps and one Q
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Copperfield Street in Belfast is not on the 1911 Census.
Duncairn DED........ should be between Collyer Street and Glandore Street on the list.
KG
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Monalahy & Newcastle townlands in Greenfort DED in Cork are missing for 1901.
NAI confirmed and I had to go in to check the microfilm.
Also note that the townland of Monalahy appears early in the reel and then there's few more returns for it near the very end.
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1911 CENSUS Part of DORSET STREET UPPER
All the inhabitants at 75 Dorset Street Upper 4 Families
Looks like the numbers 74 - 82 Dorset Street Upper are missing
Dublin Electoral Rolls confirm Families there
My great grandparents parents is one of the missing families they are on the Microfiche but on the Digitised version
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I think that there may be a small area on the southern edge of Limerick City missing from the 1911 census website.
In 1901, Edmond Barry is with his second wife and children of both of his marriages at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Glentworth/Rathbane/1499764/
His married son from his first marriage James F Barry is at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Dock_Limerick_Urban_No__4/Quinn_Street/1502104/
I cannot find either Barry family in 1911.
James F. Barry subsequently became Mayor of Limerick and his biography by Matthew Potter confirms that "He resided in Janesboro for much of his life."
Janesboro appears to have originally been the name of a house shown on the Ordnance Survey maps on the west side of what is now O'Donoghue Avenue. This road was originally also the Municipal Boundary or County Borough Boundary. The road divided the townland of Rathbane North into two parts, the northwest corner apparently within the city limits and the remainder of the townland outside the city limits.
In 1901, "Rathbane" is the only "townland" in Glentworth DED.
The actual townlands of Rathbane North and Rathbane South are in Limerick South DED.
In 1911, Glentworth DED is gone.
The townlands of Rathbane North and Rathbane South are in Limerick South Rural DED.
Is the part of Rathbane North within the city limits (including the two Barry households) missing from the 1911 census website?
Or can anyone else find the Barrys in 1911?
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Just adding this thread about Charlemont Villa and Rathmines and Rathgar East DED in general.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=832961.new;topicseen#new
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Sinann
I notice that you have added to the list of missing matters from the 1901 and 1911 Census the responses re Charlemont Villas Ranelagh Generally I leave diving into the Census to others who are more familiar with it than I am. Upon reflection ,when I saw what you had posted the question arose in my mind about what to do with the "results" of the work which I had done and items not of a purely genealogical nature which I did not post. It is impossible for me to keep this material indefinitely for the chance that somebody later on might wish to raise some point about the Villas. The material includes:
!) Items I have looked at but not reported for reasons of space/direct relevance
2) Items I have looked at and rejected rightly or wrongly but another person later on would
like to know about.
Your response or that of others would be appreciated.
Felixquaxer
Ps The names of some occupants from c.1870-1900 are available on request
or wrongly
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I was hopeing someone might have had some ideas for you by now.
Only person I can think of is Shane https://www.swilson.info/index.php perhaps he would be interested.
He started this thread back in 2012.
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Sinann
Thank you. All of us look at the world from different angles (both male and female).It just seems a shame that cumulative research is discarded in cases like these . Although many sources may only have a limited degree of relevance ,quite often they are catalysts for more ideas. I find that is what makes researching in Ireland so interesting. The second line records which normally would not be given a second glance come to the front and are often of great interest .
Felixquaxer
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A large chunk of the 1901 returns for Clonmel West Urban appear to be missing from the census website.
In 1901, there are only 17 streets etc. in this DED, all bar one from O'Connell on in the alphabet:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Clonmel_West_Urban/
In 1911, there are no less than 56 streets etc. in this DED:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Clonmel_West_Urban/
The family that I am looking for lived in Gladstone Street, which is divided in 1911 between Clonmel West Urban (where I found the Francies/Holland household) and Clonmel East Urban, but only the part in Clonmel East Urban appears in 1901, and I cannot find the Francies/Holland household anywhere else in Ireland in 1901.
There is no mention of Clonmel in John Grenham's list of "What's missing from the 1911 census?" at
https://www.johngrenham.com/browse/missing_1911.php
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Barrack Street in Newry, West urban, co. Down seems to be missing from 1901 census.
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Part of Avenue Road, Lurgan on the 1901 census.
The Household Returns for #25 to #75 are missing (no names or images) on the the NAI site even by web address change. The house number [enumerator number] jump from #24 to #76 is clear on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Avenue_Road/
The Heads of households, age, religion, occupation & count of family members for this gap can be seen on http://www.lurganancestry.com/1901avenuerd.htm
Missing families can also be seen listed in the House and Building return Form B1 by opening them from any of the people that do appear eg. 50 to 64 are here http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000397125/ and the number of males & females on Enumerator's Form 'N'.
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Also missing from the online 1901 Census is the DED Jerpoint West which included the townlands of Ballymackillogill, Ballymartin, Coolnahaw, Darbystown, Garrandarragh, Mullinakill, and Smithstown.
Also I don't think they were ever microfilmed, although the census returns do exist as I consulted them in the original at the National Archives in Dublin in 2003.
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Welcome to RootsChat, tomoforegon :)
Just to point out that the DED of Jerpoint West is in Co Kilkenny.
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/jerpoint-west1/
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Further to my Reply #54 I dropped a quick message to NAI on 17th Feb using the Contact Us at the top of their home page https://www.nationalarchives.ie/visit-us/contact-us/ and selected Geneology Website from the drop down options.
Subject: missing 1901 household returns for part of Avenue Road, Lurgan
Genealogy website
The 1901 census Household Returns for #25 to #75 Avenue Road, Lurgan, Co. Armagh are missing (no transcript or images) on the NAI site. The house number [enumerator number] jump from #24 to #76 is clear on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Avenue_Road/
Missing families can be seen listed in the House and Building return Form B1 by opening them from any of the people that do appear eg. 50 to 64 are here http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000397125/ and the number of males & females on Enumerator's Form 'N'.
I am intested in John Weatherall & family at #56 and knowing if the original pages are missing entirely, or just escaped microfilming by the LDS, and therefore digitisation.
Thanks, John
Tonight I received the following email which I am very pleased with considering they have ordered up the ledgers from storage and photographed the pages, attaching 5 images, I guess I was hoping for that but wasn't sure whether they would suggest having to consult personally. Two of the children were born N.S. Wales. In my case only the Household form 'A' was missing & I now have that plus the reverse side address and 'B' & 'N' in colour. The online form response said they would endeavour to respond as soon as possible and certainly between 10-15 working days.
The pages appear quite tightly bound now and on the 'B1' and 'N' forms one can just see the left page is upside down in relation to the right. On the microfilms they were secured top left corner but I had not appreciated that sequential page sides were upside down. They would read correctly if bound on the long top edge and turning, but not on the short left. Either way it would have been a right faff to microfilm/photograph the entire ledgers as have to move camera or ledger continually - or turn the book round as they are now. In fact I now note that the back of Enumerator's abstract (Form N) were not copied for the street, there are only fronts with 1-11, no backs with 12-27.
see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000397126/
and http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000397120/
Thank you for your email to the National Archives. I apologise for the delay, we have received a large volume of correspondence and are trying to get back to everyone as quickly as possible.
We are aware that there can be inaccuracies in our online sources. When the microfilms were being digitised some may have been missed or when the original forms were first being copied onto microfilm pages could have been missed.
As it is not available online, I ordered over the original census and found the returns you were looking for. Please find attached a copy of the Enumerator Form, Form A, Form B1 and B2 relating to the Weatherall family.
At present, the resources required are not available to fix this straight away and so we will log the error in anticipation of a future project. Please rest assured we sincerely hope to improve the resource in future.
I hope this is of some help. If you have any further questions, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.
Archivist/Public Services
An Chartlann Náisiúnta/National Archives
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1901 Baldoyle is missing. Sigh.
But familysearch has images of it.
https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/image-details?page=1&place=3403930&endDate=1901&startDate=1901&rmsId=TH-267-12387-198086-35&imageIndex=634&singleView=true
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Perhaps worth commenting that 23 June 2023 FindMyPast bolstered their 1911 Irish Census, adding 5,483 individuals, skipped during the original transcription process, to their database.
https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2023/06/todays-findmypast-friday-upload-is.html
Claire checks out Glendalough DED, one of the areas reported by John Grenham as imaged online but completely untranscribed by NAI, so 'No Results' there on a search, and shows a screen snip of the 249 results on FindMyPast, each linked to their corresponding original images.
Note: the 1911 is Free to search on Findmypast [all the Irish censuses 1821-1911 are]
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/ireland-census-1911
https://search.findmypast.ie/search-world-records/ireland-census-1911
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Paper records that were never microfilmed:
1901
Kilkenny, Freshford, Bawniska
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Total 5 inhabited houses, total of 28 people:
House - Name of the Head of each family - Name of the Landholder if different from the head
1 - John RYANHART
2 - Matthew KEOGH - Agnes SHEA
3 - Catherine GRACE
4 - John KEOGH
5 - Thomas GRIFFITH
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Household 1:
RYANHART John, head, Catholic, read and write, 63, farmer, married, born Freshford
Kate, wife, 39, F, married
Mary, daughter, 16, F, not married, scholar
Bridget, daughter, 14, not married, scholar
John, son , 12, scholar
Wm, son, 9, scholar
Hanora, daughter, 6, scholar
All were Catholic, all read and write, all born Freshford.
Information from the National Archives. Transcription is my own, may contain errors.
I don't have information for the other households.
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Thank you so much Purpeller.
Found Carnalway DED Kildare on Family Search
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01spc/
Brackets mine.
Film 004105087
Beginning at image 291
Townlands
291 Coughlanstown West
324 Brannoxtown
330 Cramersvalley (empty)
334 Knockatippan
341 Sallymount Demesne
349 Brownstown
360 Carnalway
381 Delemaine
385 Dunstown
394 Harristown
422 Harristown Common
438 Johnstown or Dunshane
447 Kilcullen Bridge (see also 479)
453 Logstown
458 Mulloghboy
464 Sillothill
470 Walterstown
479 Kilcullen Bridge (part of Kilcullen town)
534 Brannoxtown (empty)
538 Rochestown
542 Flemingtown North
546 Flemingtown South
552 Mullacash Middle
556 Mullacash North
565 Mullacash South (the one I wanted, yipee)
584 Mylerstown
593 Oldtown
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Hi all,
I'm looking for census records for a townland called Silliothill, just outside Kildare Town. It appears in Griffith Valuation, and again in 1911, but it's missing entirely from 1901.
I know the townland is often confused with another Silliothill near Kilcullen. And to really complicate matters, my Silliothill is part of Moone parish, even though its not near Moone at all! I suspect some clerical falling-out in medieval times may have been at play!
If anyone has any insights on this Silliothill (near Kildare town) from 1901 census, I would be very grateful 🙏
Sinéad
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Use the link in the post above yours Reply#61
I think Kildare DED starts on film number 004105089 or possibly some of it is on the previous film, I only looked at the start of each film.
You’ll have to work your way through to find Sillothill, it should be there but I don’t know for sure.
You’ll have to register with Family Search if you’re not already.
Civil Parish of Moone, Barony of Offaly East. Oddly the Townland just below it, Shanacloon, is part of the Civil Parish of Ballyshannon.
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Hi,
Thanks for replying, I eventually found the listings. So, Silliothill returns have been incorrectly catalogued as Chapel Hill for the 1901 census. If you look up Chapel Hill in Kildare town, you'll notice that there are duplicate house numbers (i.e. two 'House 1', two 'House 2', etc.) Half of the houses are actually Silliothill! Hope this might be helpful for anyone else searching the 1901 census for Silliothill, Kildare town.
On the parishes, yes it's a strange one, and I'd bet there's a good story behind that too!