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I am trying to trace ancestors related to Richard Hallett of Heytesbury - who had a son Amos Hallett - born in 1829/30 - and a daughter, Caroline, born in 1838/39. Amos Hallett became a private in the 11th Hussars and fought in the Crimean War. After leaving the army, Amos Hallett became a groom and coachman to the Hon. Col. Manners-Monkton - late of the 3rd Hussars (and son of William George Monkton, the 5th Viscount of Galway) - at White Cairns, Wellington College in Crowthorne, Berkshire. In 1872, he married Charlotte Phelps and they had five sons and a daughter. My husband is a descendant of one of Amos' 6 children (Frederick Hallett). We have a lot of information forward of Amos - but know little of his parents, Grandparents etc., other than the father of Richard may have also been named Amos. If anyone can provide any help or any links - it would be truly appreciated.
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Hi,,there is a baptism of a Richard Hallett in Heytesbury...17th January 1781...father Amos mother Mary.
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Many thanks for your reply - it's truly appreciated. I had also found that probable connection....but cannot find any more information about Richard's likely parents, Amos & Mary..... Am hoping to visit Trowbridge on Saturday for the Wilshire family research open day - and maybe, able to get further back in the gene pool.
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Did you find any further links to Richard? If not, I think I can add a little more to your search. I have found that Richards mothers maiden name was Cooper, his father was also called Amos and his mother was Sarah. Richards father had 4 siblings, 3 sisters and a brother.
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Many thanks for your help - it is truly appreciated. I am uncertain if this is the Richard I am looking for..... An earlier reply link him to a wife named Mary???? That Richard was Christened in Haytesbury in 1781.....Which fits all the information we have obtainedHe was a carpenter who died in Knook during 1839 ( we have obtained a certificate). In 1871, he travelled to Haytesbury to visit his sister Caroline - the wife of Thomas Neal (both paupers)... We believe it was to inform her of his upcoming marriage to Charlotte. Although a late starter...he and Charlotte produced several children....Alfred, Cecil, Sydney, Gertrude and Frederick (my husband's Grandfather).
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Oooops...it was AMOS (son of Richard) who travelled to Haytesbury to visit Caroline....
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We do have the same Richard but I was not aware that he died in Knook 1839 so as you have a certificate I will amend my records. I have also found that he married Mary Jacob on 15/5/1808 and I think Mary died in 9/1837 - this is recorded in Wokingham district - I am assuming she moved to be nearer to Amos, but this is not 100% verified yet. I was not aware that Amos had a sister Caroline but I assume you have verified this. I agree that Amos visited Bridge Foot, Heytesbury - 1871 census - but I did not know why, so this fits with your thoughts. We are obviously related as Sydney was my Grandfather. I know Frederick had 3 daughters, Edna, Heather and Phyllis but that is as far as I have got to date on this line.
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Hello again....it's amazing to discover a relation!!!! We were aware of your Grandfather, Sydney, and that he died in the second Battle of the Somme - 2 nd April1918. Also that his name is on the Role of Honour at Crowthorne St John's Church - and the local school....plus, on the Pozieres Memorial (panel 56 & 57). We are guessing that your mother was possibley Doris...??? Frederick Hallett had four daughters....Phylis (still alive and living in Australia), Ruth - believed to be alive and living in the Malvern area, Edna - who devoted her life to looking after Frederick's wife Lillian - died several years ago, and Heather, who died in 1944, (two weeks after giving birth to a son - Paul - who lives in Florida) - as a result of leukemia. Frederick and Lillian also had sons, Cecil (my husband's father) - also known as Fred - died several years ago, Reginald, (whose daughter Ann lives in Bedfordshire - and is in regular contact) - has also died, so have Peter and Ken. They also lost a son, Eric, to Diptheria when he was four years old. We also managed to find a photograph of AMOS - the 11th Hussar....
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I can confirm the details re Sydney. His wife remarried and had a daughter Brenda who is 86 and I am in touch with - she has helped a lot with info. My father was Cecil and my mother was Gladys - not Doris as you thought.
Re Amos - he also had another son, Arthur Amos born 1876 - you did not mention previously.
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Many thanks for your kind response....it is sincerely appreciated. Arthur Amos is also among our findings. Lots of children had lots of children....as was the way then - of course..... We also have the location of Amos' grave in the churchyard in Crowthorne - although it is an unmarked spot. It's been an truly interesting journey finding the history....and the story of Amos, that has slowly been unravelling, is spellbinding! Our own four year old Grandson is enthralled by the 'very' abridged version of the 'Charge'.... .and likes to re-enact his own version of events!!!! Do you have a photo of Amos????
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Hi again, yes I do have a photo of Amos which Brenda supplied to me. There was book on local info she had which had old pictures of Crowthorne including some school photos and Wellington College when first built - Mum and Dad first met whilst working there. You were trying to trace back from Richard, the father of Amos - are you aware that his father was also called Amos born in 1740 and his wife was Mary (Cooper) living in Templecombe, Somerset? And again, his father was also called Amos - I do not have his birth date yet but I know he died in 1790 - and his wife was Sarah also of Templecombe. Apart from Amos they had 4 other children - George, Sarah, Ann and Jenny. I am still trying to add further details but this is now quite a way back in the past so its slow going! Can you confirm any if this info?
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The photograph of Amos 'the Charger' is possibly the same one that we have....as we were also fortunate enough to be able to obtain a copy of the book (thanks to a nudge in that direction from some kind church wardens that we had made email contact with). Amos also had links with the college - as his post Crimea employer, the Hon. Col. Manners-Monkton - formerly of the 3rd Hussars (and son of William George Monkton, the 5th Viscount of Galway) - lived at White Cairns, Wellington College in Crowthorne, Berkshire. From Amos' obituary - it would seem Amos still worked there at the time of his death....although no longer as a 'Coachman'. Regarding Amos' sister Caroline, records indicate that she was born in 1838/39. I am happy to photocopy the death certificate of Richard for you.....
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Hi again, yes, I would be interested to see a copy of Richards birth cert. You did not comment on my findings re his forebears - do you concur with these?
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Would you like me to email you a copy of Richard's certificate, post it to you or attach it to a roots chat post?
I can confirm the following from our findings; Richard had a sister Caroline - born in 1788 - baptised in Heytesbury April 1789 at 9 months of age. We believe that Richard (baptised 17th January 1781) married Mary Anne Jacob 15th May 1808 and had three children....Caroline b.1816 Mary Anne 1817 and Amos b. 1829/1830.
At the Wiltshire 'Family Research Open Day.....we were helped to find that Amos and Mary (Cooper) had 9 children. John - 1768, Sarah - 1770, Thomas - 1773, Mary - 1775, Ann - 1776, Jane - 1778, Richard - 1781, Martha - 1782 and Caroline - 1789. We also have found details relating to the baptism of Richard's father Amos (1739 - 1st January 1740)....that indicate the names of Amos and Sarah as the parents. The names I have found as possible other children of Amos and Sarah are, George - Samuel, Sarah and Ann..... Hope that helps.
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If you could attach it to roots chat post that would be great.
Thanks for the details you sent which both confirms and also adds details to those I already had. Your trip to the open day was obviously very useful - do you know if this is an annual event?.
I do not have birth dates for Amos and Sarah but I have traced their deaths to 27/05/1790 and 08/08/1779 respectively. I also have approx birth dates for their children:- Amos 1739, George 1742, Sarah 1747, Ann 1749 plus Jenny in 1753. I have still to find death dates and any further details for them. Amos and Sarah are as far back as I have got to date but it appears a visit to Templecombe might be useful.
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I have tried uploading Richards certificate....but rootschat can't manage the size. If I reduce the image size it will affect the quality and be unreadable. I can email it to you so that you have a copy for your records.... However, if you prefer not to disclose your email address - I can simply tell you what it says.
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That's a pity. Please do not be offended but I do not want to disclose Email details as this is a public site. I would be grateful if you could otherwise provide the info - as you suggest - for the time being. Any comment on the other details I sent?
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Of course we are not offended - and quite understand. I can confirm that the certificate confirms Richard's death as 23rd August 1839 (in Knook)...and that it was registered on 26th August 1939 by Amelia Bennet - whom it states was 'Present at Death'. It also confirms that Richard was 58 years old, a carpenter....and the cause of his death was consumption. I managed to trace an Amelia Bennet - who aso died later the same year in Donhead St Andrews- also from consumption. I also discovered that Richard's daughter Caroline - had the name 'Caroline Norris' when she married Thomas Neal in 1841.... The brides father's name is clearly listed as Richard Hallett.
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I've only just found this forum as I've just started researching my family tree. I am also related to Amos Hallett through his son Arthur Amos. Arthur is my Great Grandfather. I have some written pages about Amos which my father has passed on to me. I'm not sure if it contains any information not already known but will look it out and have a look.
Also, my father has a photograph of Charlotte Phelps...Amos's wife. I think it says she was born in the 1840s but will need to check that.
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Hi, I just read your post and it appears that we are cousins and both have the same great grandfather. I have already acquired quite a lot of information on the family history so I would be pleased to help you with your search and perhaps you can help me fill in some gaps. My grandfather was Sydney Cyril. I am also in regular contact with a cousin whose grandfather was Frederick Edgar. As it happens we also met up via rootschat. It appears that the family lost touch with each other over the years. Sydney died in the great war in 1918 when my father was only 6 and my grandmother remarried, which may account for the lost contact. However, it good that now we can be in touch should you wish.
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Many thanks for your reply. As I said, I'm only just starting this journey but it is so interesting. I think we share a great great grandfather (Amos). His son Arthur Amos was my great grandfather.
My father is still alive at nearly 90 and he has very fond memories of his maternal grandfather Arthur Hallett. They shared a lot of interests apparently...especially as both were very keen competitive runners. My father still has some of Arthur's running medals and prizes. Arthur was a mental health nurse by profession. Also a musician. We have photos of him playing his cornet. Another thing he tried to encourage my father to do but he didn't take to it. The story goes that Arthur was presented with a silver cornet by Queen Victoria. His daughter Gertrude (My grandmother) told me the story frequently. I'd love to find out more but I don't think I'd be able to.
I have a record of Amos Hallett and Charlotte Phelps children and see Sidney Cyril listed there. As I said we do have a photo of Charlotte Phelps if anyone is interested.
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Hello again, I have a photo of Amos and would certainly like to add a photo of Charlotte to my family tree files. I would also like to add a bit more to my files concerning your own leg of the family tree if possible. I have quite a lot of detailed information on the family if there is more I can help you with in your search. I think I have attached a file, please confirm, with the detail I have of Arthur Amos and his descendants so far - it would be good if I could bring that up to the current date.
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Thank you so much. I can certainly fill in lots of gaps with my branch of the family. Give me a day or two to put it together. Lots of it I haven't written down yet as I know it so well. My grandparents are Philip Ivor and Gertrude Elsie Pring (nee Hallett) and my father is the eldest of their 4 children Philip Arthur.
Not sure if you are aware but Gertrude Hallett had a younger sister Kathleen. I'll give you her details too.
I'll get a copy of Charlotte Phelps photo next time I visit my father. It's not particularly clear, but is very old. Having started this research it's nice to put a name to the photo now. My grandmother had written on the back that it was her Gran Hallett, but no name. Now we know.
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Hi it's me again. I have the photo of Charlotte Phelps now but not sure how to load it on to here or send it. I have a few photos of Arthur Amos Hallett if anyone is interested.
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Hi, I think my family may be one of your missing links. My 2nd great grandmother was Caroline Hallett who married Thomas Neale, they had 4 maybe 5 children, 2 girls and 2 boys. Her date of birth 1813 is different but all the facts seem to fit, she was a widow when she married Thomas Neale. You may after all this time have already found all this out but hopefully this helps.