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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: Lance Matthews on Sunday 24 June 12 11:16 BST (UK)
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I have the marriage of Richard Thompson to Hannah Justin in Dublin, 1897, C of I.
I am trying to trace their families, prior to their marriage in Dublin. Both were born in Queens (Laois).
Richard was born in Clonan, Mountrath, his father was called Edward, a farmer.
Hannah's father was called Richard, also a farmer. Her brother, who also called Richard and lived in Dublin, with his sister, prior to her marriage. Susan A Justin is shown as a witness to Hannah's wedding.
I cannot find Hannah and Richard Thompson in the 1901, or 1911 censuses and have no firm birth dates to work from.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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I cannot find Hannah and Richard Thompson in the 1901, or 1911 censuses and have no firm birth dates to work from.
Any help would be much appreciated.
what details do you have on their children .. names, dates, place of births ?
also what addresses are listed on the marriage cert for Richard & Hannah ?
Shane
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I have the marriage of Richard Thompson to Hannah Justin in Dublin, 1897, C of I.
I am trying to trace their families, prior to their marriage in Dublin. Both were born in Queens (Laois).
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Are you certain about this date ?
The only marriage I can find in Dublin for the name Hannah Justin is in 1879...
S.
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found it - it was 1879...
Marriage of Richard Thompson & Hannah Justin - 4 December 1879 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/0def300577913)
for reference the cert states current residences, not necessarily that same as place of birth. Hannah's residence was 5 McMahon Street
Shane
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Hi Shane,
I only know that Hannah Justin was living at 5,Mc.Mahon Street, Dublin when she married. The address for Richard is given as Clonan, Mountrath, Laois.
I do not know if they had children. If I could find a birth date for Hannah I could get a birth certificate from GRO, which would take me back to her father, Richard Justin. Cannot find any record of them emigrating.
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Hi Shane / Lance
Yes 1879 is the correct date when Hannah got married
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/0def300577913
She was born well before 1864 so you won't get a birt cert for her
I was researching this family before and I never found any further trace of them.
Tara
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Hi Lance,
They went back to Mountrath, Laois and had 2 children that I know of Sarah b 1882 & Edward b 1880
Tara
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some of Hannah's family appear in Thom's directories at that address..
1877 - Mr. Richard Justin
1879 - Mrs. Elizabeth Justin
1884 - Mrs. Elizabeth Justin
1894 - Mr. Richard Justin
By 1904 the occupant has changed to a Mr. Herbert Curham.
I dont see any listing for McMahon street before 1877..
Shane
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Hi Shane & Tara,
Thanks for the info. Hannah was living with her brother and his wife Elizabeth (nee Skipp).
I was trying to go back to Queens to find out where Hannah and her brother had been born. If I could find the town/village then I could see if I could look at the C of I records in Dublin. Hannah brother was born 1844/1845.
Tara, did you find any information on the Justin line.
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Hi Lance,
I was in touch with you before through ancestry. I thought my husband's Dublin Justins were related to the Laois Justins, so way back I did some work on them, but there was no connection, so I'm afraid that I deleted the research.
I know there are a lot of people on ancestry researching the Justin / Juston / Jestin etc surname in Laois.
The Richard Justin that they all seem to be researching all seem to talking about Mountmellick and environs of Laois.
In saying that there were branches in Mountrath, Borris in Ossary and Derryguile also that I am aware of.
Tara
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If memory serves me right I had made a presumption that this was the father of Richard and Hannah who went to Dublin.
I had nothing to back this up other than a hunch and wishful thinking.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Kilmullen/Clonanny/1648376/
Tara
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Hi Tara,
The 1901 census records you have shown is the family I am trying to link Richard and Hannah Justin back to.
The father is Richard Justin and his wife was called Sarah. They lived in Clonanny, Queens Co.
if we can prove the connection is correct then the Dublin Justin's are related to the Justin's from Clonanny, which is my line.
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Hi Lance,
Just remember that there were 2 Justin families in Dublin, mine were the weavers who were defo not from Laois, and then there is Richard's who married Elizabeth Skipp whom it certainly looks like there may be a connection to the Clonanny family. The names certainly seem to follow the pattern.
BTW Have you ever come across a Sarah Justin, daughter of a William Justin labourer. She was born about 1874 in Laois. I know she went to England and married a Charles Wareing and I have her documented from there on but just trying to get her family in Laois in proving impossible.
Tara
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Hi Tara,
Do you have the birth Cert for Sarah Justin, daughter of William.
If I know the village in Laois they came from, I can possibly match them. Were they C of I.
It is worth spending a few euros with GRO.
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Hi Lance,
No, that's the problem, we have never been able to track a birth cert for her or a baptism records through ifhf.
The name William came from her marriage cert.
Yes, they were COI.
Tara
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Let me have your e mail address again and I will order a birth certificate, which will tell us where she was born in Queens County
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Tara, I cannot find any records of Hannah (nee Justin) and Richard Thompson going back to Mountrath and having 2 children, Sarah & Edward.
Thought they would turn up in 1901 census.
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I found them on the free index of ifhf.
There is a big gap between when they married and had children, and the 1901 census, so they could have passed away or emmigrated.
Tara
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I was in Co. Laois last month and went through quote a few records of the Justin families who were born, married and buried at the Lea Church.
I am now told that Hannah Justin, who married Richard Thompson emigrated to New Zealand and that Richard died there. I am not sure how I can find any New Zealand records. It could explain why they seen to have gone missing.
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Hi Lance
there is a great online bmd service for New Zealand
I have attached the link for children of a Hannah and Richard Thompson - you will just need to go through them and see does it look like the same family
hannah and richard thompson nz children (https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2fqueryEntry.m%3ftype%3dbirths#SearchResults)
Tara
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The Post Office Dublin Directory & Calendar 1858;
Kilbricken-Mountrath; Anne Justin.
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Jack
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I would like to check on the NZ census records for 1901 and 1911. Any ideas.
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As far as I know NZ census returns only kept statistics, and no details on individuals... might be worth checking the New Zealand resources board here on RootsChat/ (Under 'Other Countries')
Shane
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Thank you Shane. Think I am chasing shadows.
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Just to advise that we have now linked the Thompson and Justin families, both from Clonanny, Laois. Have also found all their records in New Zealand. Richard Thompson & Hannah Justin were married Dublin in 1879. It is great when you break through a brick wall. Thank you all for your help.