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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Berkshire => England => Berkshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: curtisd on Monday 25 June 12 15:20 BST (UK)
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Searching for ancestors of William Benjamine Morgan (Born 1838 Newbury, Berkshire). He married 1859 to Susan Barnes (Born 1838 Chesham, Buckinghamshire)
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Marriage certificate arrived. His father was also called William. Can anyone help me find his mothers name?
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Can you tell us the elder William's occupation?
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It is hard to make out what it says, it looks like it says Coachman.
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It is hard to make out what it says, it looks like it says Coachman.
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Can't find any William born Newbury in 1841/1851 when he should have been with parents.
There is a 12 year old William in 1851 lodging in Bucks gardeners boy. I mention because his wife came from Bucks.
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Can I just check birth/marriage years because you have him and his wife marrying at 13 :o
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Marriage??
William Benjamin Morgan
Susan Barnes
Dec Q 1859
Uxbridge 3a 36
How old was William recorded to be on the marriage certificate or was he just recorded as full age?
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Marriage??
William Benjamin Morgan
Susan Barnes
Dec Q 1859
Uxbridge 3a 36
How old was William recorded to be on the marriage certificate or was he just recorded as full age?
I have this marriage certificate. William is recorded as full age.His condition is bachelor. His profession is wheelwright. Susan is recorded as of full age too. Her condition is spinster.
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Can I just check birth/marriage years because you have him and his wife marrying at 13 :o
Just noticed I put the wrong marriage year in the first post. Their marriage was 1859 not 1851. They would of both been around 21 not 13!
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Just noticed I put the wrong marriage year in the first post. It is 1859 not 1851. They would of both been around 21 not 13!
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Could this be the birth certificate to order?
Births Sep 1839 (>99%)
Morgan William Uxbridge 3 286
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Not if he was born in Newbury.
In the 1861 census he is recorded as being born in Newbury Buckinghamshire
In both the 1871 and 1881 census he is recorded as being born in Newbury Berkshire
I did have a look at the baptisms for St Nicolas Newbury but could not see a baptism for a William Morgan between 1835-1840
Freebmd has this marriage:
William Morgan and Harriet Nailor
March Q 1838
Newbury 6 251
As his wife Susan came from Buckinghamshire could the William Morgan Milliepede mentioned be your William Morgan in 1851?
There is also a William Morgan c1814 Berkshire living in Buckinghamshire in the 1851 census who might be worth a look and a Harriet Morgan c 1816 Berkshire living in Buckinghamshire who might also be worth looking at.
Sorry but I don't have access to census images otherwise I would post these for you.
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Thank you.
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I ordered the certificate for William Morgan and Harriet Nailor. It lists the parents as William Morgan and Francis Nailor.
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Have you managed to find a William, Harriet and William jnr together in any of the census records where an occupation for William (the groom) matches census occupation?
Please can you post all the details from the marriage certificate?
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I have not found anything on the Census so it is all guesswork. Here is the marriage certificate: http://en.geneanet.org/archives/actes/actesenligne/1014232
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I see that William Benjamin Morgan's father William was recorded as a Coachman on the marriage certificate for William & Susan and also the marriage certificate for William & Harriet records William Morgan (groom) as a Coachman. (looks promising!!!)
Newbury Library does have some records for the parish of Greenham but I think they stop at 1837, I'll have a look next time I'm in town.
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Yes it looks promising.
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Curtis
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Hi Curtis,
I went to the library the other day and checked the baptisms for the parish of Greenham up to 1840 ( Newbury Library only has this parish up to 1840) and didn't find a baptism for William Benjamin Morgan.
I did find a baptism for a William Morgan in 1816 in the parish of Speen, father William Morgan.
I noted that on the marriage certificate for Harriet Nailor & William Morgan, the witnesses were Catherine Nailor and Henry Nightingale. There is a marriage for a Henry Nightingale and Catherine Nailor in Newbury, Dec Q 1842 volume 6 page 377 and in the 1871 census a Henry & Catherine Nightingale (c1816 Midgham) in Berkshire.
I took the opportunity of a lift to Reading today and went to the Berkshire Records Office and did a little research for you.
Baptism:
Church: St Mary Speen Newbury
Date:2nd September 1838
Name:William Benjamin Morgan
Father: William Morgan occ:Servant
Mother: Harriet Morgan
As William Benjamin Morgan was baptised in Speen perhaps his father came from Speen.
There were these baptisms in Speen (William Morgan baptism as mentioned above):
Date: 3rd March 1816
Name: William Morgan
Father: William Morgan of Benham Occ: Coachman
Mother: Frances Morgan
Date: 4th January 1824
Name: Frances Morgan
Father: William Morgan Occ: Coachman
Mother: Frances Morgan
Looking in the parish records for Midgham Berkshire (assuming that Catherine Nailor was related to Harriet) I found these baptisms for children of Francis & Mary Naylor/Nailor:
Sarah Naylor
Birth 5th Dec 1799,
Bapt 29th Dec 1799
Hannah Nailor
Birth 8th May 1802
Bapt 7th June 1802
Harriett Naylor
Birth 14th February 1804
Bapt 18th March 1804
William Nailor
Birth 28th May 1806
Bapt 22nd June 1806
Catherine Naylor
Birth 9th March 1809
Bapt 21st May 1809
Thomas Naylor
Birth 21st March 1811
Bapt 5th May 1811
I also found this baptism in the parish of Midgham:
Baptism Date: 11th August 1833
Emma Naylor (illegitimate daughter of Harriet Naylor)
and this Burial:
Date: 12th May 1843
Emma Nailor aged 9
Also these burials:
7th November 1847
Mary Nailor
Aged 76
29th November 1848
Francis Nailor
Aged 82
Regards, Chris
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Thank you very much for taking the time to research this. I appreciate it!
Kind regards,
Curtis
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I did find a baptism for a William Morgan in 1816 in the parish of Speen, father William Morgan.
William Benjamine Morgan was born 1838-09-02 so this would mean William Morgan was 16 when William Benjamine Morgan was born?
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William Benjamin Morgan was baptised in 1838
William Morgan was baptised in 1816 this would have made him 22years old not 16 when William Benjamin Morgan was baptised
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My mistake I misread. Thank you.
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I am now researching this ancestry line again and cannot find any further. Can anyone help please?
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I've found a tree which had a William Morgan and Harriet Taylor but doesn't look like a match.
Still searching for further ancestry.
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Just in case you haven't seen these:
Possible marriage??
Francis Nailer & Mary Robins, 1791 in Thatcham (about 3.5 miles from Midgham)
Possible 1841 census living in Channel's Green Thatcham
Francis Nailor aged 70-74
Mary Nailor aged 65-69
George Nailor aged 20-24
Emma Nailor aged 7 (possible illegitimate daughter of Harriet)
On the familysearch website in the 1851 census there is a Harriet Morgan, aged 35, born Mid? Berkshire, Married, working as a Dairy Woman in Shalstone Buckinghamshire for a Thomas & Eliza Fitzgerald and again in the 1861 census in Shalstone, a Harriett Morgan (Married) born Midgam Berkshire but aged 54 with the Fitzgerald family working as a Laundrymaid.
Also recorded in the 1851 is a William Morgan born c1839, Miclyam (maybe Midgham) Berkshire, Lodger, Gardener's Boy, living in Shalstone with a Charles and Eliza Cording which could be your William Benjamin Morgan. (Previously posted by Milliepede)
In 1901 William Benjamin Morgan and family are recorded living in Hayes Middlesex, registration district being Uxbridge, so a possible death for Harriet Morgan if she moved to be near her son in later life.
Deaths Dec 1867
Morgan Harriet aged 64 Uxbridge 3a 21
Chris
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Thank you.
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I found a family tree online with a Francis George Hare Naylor born Jan 6 1786
England. It lists a death as 1848 which matches to the same year found on this topic? No further information on location but his grand father is listed as
Robert Hare Naylor
Mar 17 1730
Chalfont St. Giles, Buckinghamshire, England
Something for me to look into.
Edit: Probably just similar name but I am actively searching for the Morgan lineage again.