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Title: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Monday 25 June 12 19:39 BST (UK)
Hello all.
I am new to all of this and have been interested in my family history, but dont know where to start.
My mum's mum died when mum was 6months old, my grandad died nearly 2 years ago and it never occured to me to ask (i have a load of old family pictures, and Mum can only help with a few of the faces) My dad'sparents are both deceased and he has told me a little bit of family history but I wanted to find out where I am from, and if I have any other blood in me- As far as I am aware I am fully english(this goes back to great great great grandparents on each side) but my Dad says that someone on his side was part greek but he doesnt know who.
So, does anyone know of any places to make this easy for me? I have tried the online family tree sites but always come to a dead end. I was thinking of going to a professional service to help me with this but I have no idea how much it all costs.
any help is much appreciated
Helen
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: cati on Monday 25 June 12 19:47 BST (UK)
Start with what you know.

Ask your parents for copies of any certificates - birth, marriage, death - which they have, and contruct an outline tree from there.  Your parent's marriage certificate will tell the name of their fathers; birth certificates will tell you the names of both parents.

Once you get back to 1911, you can start looking at census returns - these should give you lots of useful information.

Have a look at the 'Beginners' board on this site for lots of useful hints and tips.

Don'y pay for a professional reearcher unless you really have to - it's much more fun to do it yourself.

Cati
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Monday 25 June 12 22:00 BST (UK)
I will give that a try, and hopefully I can find out my heritage, and help my curiosity of my ancestors.
Thanks a lot x
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: patrexjax on Monday 25 June 12 22:06 BST (UK)
Hi!  I would like to echo what cati has said..... ;D  Make a pedigree chart and start filling in what you know with yourself and then your parents, etc.  If you get stuck....don't hesitate to ask for help here at Rootschat.  Do remember that we only can deal with deceased people.  You will soon become familiar with a great free site <www.freeBMD.org.uk> which will help you fill in many dates and places.  We are here to try to help you, too!!  You definitely came to the right spot!   Pat
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: garstonite on Monday 25 June 12 22:24 BST (UK)
Hiya Helen and Welcome to Rootschat...as all 4 of your grandparents are deceased, you could start with those and work backwards...
Your mums mum...do you know her maiden name ?
do you have the marriage of your mums mum and dad ?..ie on www.freebmd.org.uk you could look up your mums birth...this should give you her mums maiden name ... then look for the marriage ...
then
the same scenario for your dads parents
if you want to post names that you have ( not living people) we can see if we can help you to research backwards from your grandparents...
allan
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Monday 25 June 12 23:19 BST (UK)
Hiya Helen and Welcome to Rootschat...as all 4 of your grandparents are deceased, you could start with those and work backwards...
Your mums mum...do you know her maiden name ?
do you have the marriage of your mums mum and dad ?..ie on www.freebmd.org.uk you could look up your mums birth...this should give you her mums maiden name ... then look for the marriage ...
then
the same scenario for your dads parents
if you want to post names that you have ( not living people) we can see if we can help you to research backwards from your grandparents...
allan


My Mum's parents, this is the infomation I have on them
Antony Boote (living in Staffordshire)29th June 1934 DOB and died 29th december 2010 (I think he was born in North Staffordshire hospital in Staffordshire)
All my mum knows about her mum is, her name was Gladys but unsure of her maiden name (from Macclesfield area) before she became a Boote, she was married before, she was a Berry
My dad's parents were Elsie Wright (nee. Stutberry, living in Crewe) DOB 18th January 1922 20th May 2009 was when she died. she was originally from Dartford/ Grey's end,Kent. And she was married to Gerald Wright, his DOB was 30th MArch but my mum is unsure of the year, and was from the Crewe area (possibly born in Hack Green) Possibly he died on 10th April 1994 but unsure on the dates(I havent had chance to speak with my dad to clarify the dates).
I have found a birth certificate for a Wilmot Harris, born on 28th January 1910, registered in tunstall. My mum thinks this is some relation of her Grandmother..possibly Great-Grandfather
Thanks a lot Allan, this is very appreciated:)

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Monday 25 June 12 23:40 BST (UK)
Hi Helen

welcome to rootschat  :)

starting with Anthony birth

Anthony Boote
Registered Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 230

Mother's Maiden Surname Harris

Jackie
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Monday 25 June 12 23:42 BST (UK)
Anthony Boote married Gladys Berry
Registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1961
Macclesfield, Cheshire
Volume 10a
Page 648
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Monday 25 June 12 23:43 BST (UK)
Hi Helen

welcome to rootschat  :)

starting with Anthony birth

Anthony Boote
Registered Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 230

Mother's Maiden Surname Harris

Jackie

I have confirmed with my mum and that is correct, her first name was Annie
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Monday 25 June 12 23:47 BST (UK)
thanks  :)
that will help a lot
as there is a few marriages for Boote and Harris in Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Monday 25 June 12 23:48 BST (UK)
a possibility

Dennis Boote married Annie Harris
Registered Jul-Aug-Sep 1927
Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 597
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Monday 25 June 12 23:49 BST (UK)
thanks  :)
that will help a lot
as there is a few marriages for Boote and Harris in Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
I really appreciate your help :)
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Monday 25 June 12 23:52 BST (UK)
a possibility

Dennis Boote married Annie Harris
Registered Jul-Aug-Sep 1927
Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 597

I am unsure of where they got married, but they were staffordshire people and those are the correct names
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:03 BST (UK)
your welcome  :)

birth

Dennis Boote
Registered Jul-Aug-Sep 1903
Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 125

Death

Dennis Boote
born abt 1903
Registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1958
Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Volume 9b
Page 469

Probate

Boote Dennis lived at 25 Gordon Road Sandyford near Tunstall Stoke-upon Trent and died 3 Oct 1958 Administration London 4 nov to Annie Boote widow 687 pound 18s 11d

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:05 BST (UK)
it is the only marriage I can see in that area

you would need to buy the certificate if you want to be really sure
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:06 BST (UK)
your welcome  :)

birth

Dennis Boote
Registered Jul-Aug-Sep 1903
Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 125

Death

Dennis Boote
born abt 1903
Registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1958
Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Volume 9b
Page 469

Probate

Boote Dennis lived at 25 Gordon Road Sandyford near Tunstall Stoke-upon Trent and died 3 Oct 1958 Administration London 4 nov to Annie Boote widow 687 pound 18s 11d


this is truley fascinating! What does the 687 pound 18s 11 mean, do you know?
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:07 BST (UK)
that is how much money he left in his will
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:09 BST (UK)
Oh I see now, thats what my mum thought too, but I thought it was the cot of his funeral.That is the correct one, because that is the same house my Grandad lived in for most of his life, and my mum too
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:12 BST (UK)
because that is the same house my Grandad lived in for most of his life, and my mum too

thats good proves we are on the right track  ;D
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:18 BST (UK)
we are not allowed to post the 1911 census
but this is Dennis Boote parents and sibblings in 1901

1901
RG13/2590 Folio 87 Page 1
Union Street
Tunstall, Staffordshire
David Boote   29 Head M Coachman worker, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Sarah Boote   27 wife, M Pittshill, Staffordshire
Elsie Boote   2 dau, Pittshill, Staffordshire
Annie Boote   6 Months dau, Chell, Staffordshire

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:19 BST (UK)
would you like me to go back further ???

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:21 BST (UK)
If it isnt any trouble to you :) My parents dont really know much of the family history and it hasnt ever been one of those things that interested them, but I am completley the opposite...I jut have no idea where to start looking :(
this chat room really is a god send :D
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:24 BST (UK)
be warned Genealogy is very very addictive  ;D

and yes Roots chat is fantastic lots of people here willing to help  ;D

I will post the 1891 in a sec  :)
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:26 BST (UK)
I imagine there will be a lot for me to learn on here...you just make it seem so easy!
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:29 BST (UK)
if you have a look here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,47.0.html

and here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,287.0.html

and here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,392.0.html

you will find lots of info to help you

other wise just ask  ;D
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:31 BST (UK)
1891
RG12/2157 Folio 35 Page 18
off church street
Tunstall, Staffordshire
Joseph Boote   54 head M, Coal miner, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Ann Boote   54 wife M Congleton, Cheshire
Hannah Boote   32 Dau S, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
David Boote   19 Son Coal miner, earth Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Edith Boote   14 Dau pot worker ( warehouse) Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:34 BST (UK)
1891
RG12/2157 Folio 35 Page 18
off church street
Tunstall, Staffordshire
Joseph Boote   54 head M, Coal miner, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Ann Boote   54 wife M Congleton, Cheshire
Hannah Boote   32 Dau S, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
David Boote   19 Son Coal miner, earth Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Edith Boote   14 Dau pot worker ( warehouse) Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Are these the siblings of Dennis? My mum said he had alot ofsiblings
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:41 BST (UK)
NO the 1891 census is Dennis's father David parents and siblings

here are some of Dennis siblings

Elsie Boote born abt 1899   
Annie Boote born abt 1901
Eric Boote born abt 1902
Dennis Boote born abt 1904
Edith Boote born abt 1906
Hannah Boote born abt 1908
Joseph Boote born abt 1910


Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 00:59 BST (UK)
1881
 RG11/2708 Folio 90 Page 51
6 Garden Street
Tunstall, Staffordshire
Joseph Boot   46 head M, Coal miner, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Ann Boot   44 wife M Congleton, Cheshire
Elizabeth Boot   71 Mother W, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Anna Boot   21 dau S no Imployement, Sandyford, Staffordshire
Alfred Boot   19 son S Coal Miner, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Joseph Boot   15 son S Coal Miner, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Mary Boot   11 dau, Scholar, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Thos. Boot   9 Son, Scholar, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Edith Boot   4 dau, Goldenhill, Staffordshire

I think there has been a error and Thos boot age 9 is David
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 01:07 BST (UK)
1871
RG10/2844 Folio 30 Page 53
14 Garden Row
Tunstall, Staffordshire
Joseph Boot   33 Head M Coal miner, Redgrave, Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Ann Boot   32 wife M Congleton, Cheshire
Hannah Boot   12 dau Tunstall, Staffordshire
Alfred Boot   10 son Potter, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Joseph Boot   6 son, Scholar, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Mary Boot   1 Son, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
David Cliff   77 Visitor Widow, cotton weaver, Bullock Binthy, Lancashire
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 01:09 BST (UK)
woah, I never knew how much of my family there was that I never even knew existed
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 01:20 BST (UK)
1861
RG 9/1924 Folio 45 Page 40
Garden st
Oldcott, Staffordshire
Josh Boote   23 head M Laborer at Iron works  Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Ann Boote   23 wife M Congleton, Cheshire
Hannah Boote   1 Dau, Goldenhill, Staffordshire
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 01:22 BST (UK)
Joseph Boot married Ann Cliffe
Oct-Nov-Dec 1854
Congleton, Cheshire
Volume 8a
Page 333
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 01:32 BST (UK)
1851
 HO107/2167 Folio 254 Page 32
wallworth bank
Congleton, Cheshire
Rio Cliff         59 Head M, Broad Silk weaver, Astlegrove, Cheshire
Sarah Cliff    64 Wife M, Denton, Lancashire
Esther Cliff   28 dau, Silk weaver, Congleton, Cheshire
John Cliff      22 Son, Broad Silk weaver, Congleton, Cheshire
Ann Cliff         13 grand daughter, Silk weaver, Congleton, Cheshire
Elizth Cliff       8 dau ?, Congleton, Cheshire
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 01:39 BST (UK)
1841
HO107/119 Book 13
wallworth bank
Congleton, Cheshire
Richard Cliff   50 Silk warper
Sarah Cliff   50
Hannah Cliff   20 silk weaver
Sarah Cliff   15 Crape weaver
Esther Cliff   15 Silk winder
John Cliff   10 Silk warper
Ann Cliff                   4

all born in same country
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 01:47 BST (UK)
mmmm Ann's parents might be a bit hard to find ????
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 01:57 BST (UK)
Your in luck there is tree for her on line and it has her marriage cert

Ann's father is Peter Cliffe he was a weaver
Joseph father George Boote, a shoe-maker
they were married on 2 Oct 1854 at St. Mary, Astbury, Cheshire
Witnesses George and Melinda CLIFFE
all signed with a X
Joseph age 21 bachelor Collier and  Anne age 17 spinster




Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 02:02 BST (UK)
With Ann being listed as a Grand daughter, I'm guessing her parents both died?
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 02:03 BST (UK)
possible christening for her
 
Anne Cliffe
born 15 Jun 1843 and was christened on the 9 Jul 1843
at Stretton (Near Warrington), Cheshire, England
parents Peter Cliffe and Elizabeth


modified reply

see reply 41
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 02:04 BST (UK)
possibly I will have a look

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: Annette7 on Tuesday 26 June 12 02:07 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome from me too

Gladys Boote, formery Berry had the maiden name of Kershaw.

Gladys Kershaw's birth reg'd Dec.qtr.1929 Macclesfield - her mothers maiden name Sykes.   She was the youngest of 4 (3 girls, 1 boy).   Her marriage to Mr. Berry was in Sept.qtr.1949 Macclesfield and to Antony Boote in 1961.

Her parents were Stanley Kershaw b.Sept.quarter 1895 Maccesfield, d.Sept.qtr.1957 Macclesfield and Winifred Sykes b.Sept.1886 Macclesfield, d.Sept.qtr.1962 Macclesfield.   Stanley and Winifred married Sept.qtr.1917 Macclesfield.

Gerald Wright was born 30/3/1921 Nantwich, Cheshire, d.Jun.1994 South Cheshire, mothers maiden name Fowles.   His parents were John Wright and Ruth Fowles who married Jun.qtr.1916 Chester, Cheshire.

Elsie was actually Elsie STUCHBURY (mmn Buckley) b.1922 Dartford as you stated.   She had 2 sisters and 1 brother - parents were Harry Edwin Stuchbury (he married as Henry E.)   and Ivy Dorothy Lizzie Buckley who married Jun.qtr.1918 Dartford.   Harry Edwin Stuchbury b.8./10/1895 Erith, Kent, d.Oct.1973 Dartford.   Ivy b.21/6/1894 Crewe, d.Jun. 1987 Gravesend.

There are a couple of public trees on Ancestry for Gerald Wright and Elsie Stuchbury which have further details.

Annette

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 02:40 BST (UK)
now that I have had more of a look I'm not sure about the christening for Ann  ???

this could possibly be her parents

1841
 HO107/119 Book 15
Astbury, Congleton
Peter Cliffe   20 Silk weaver
Maria Cliffe   25 silk piecer


marriage

Peter Cliffe married Maria Skellering
Jul-Aug-Sep 1840
Congleton, Cheshire
Volume 19
Page 91

modified post

see Reply #38

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 03:01 BST (UK)
if it is the right parents for Ann they are still alive in the 1851 with more children  ???

I have just checked the tree I found the marriage for Ann and Joseph Boote and they have the same parents for her ( Peter and Maria )  ???

might need to buy her death or birth cert to be sure
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 03:11 BST (UK)
death for
Ann Boote
born abt 1837
Registered Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 62
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 03:30 BST (UK)
a bit odd Ann has been fairly consistent with her age born abt 1837 - 1838
but I cannot find a birth for then ???

I have only come across one for 1841 but that would mean she was abt 13 when she married ???

Ann Cliffe
Jul-Aug-Sep 1841
Congleton, Cheshire, Staffordshire
Volume 19
Page 62

maybe her death certificate will shed some light  :-\

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 03:46 BST (UK)
Joseph Boote family

1851
HO107/2167 Folio 252 Page 28
wallworth bank
Congleton, Cheshire ( note Ann grandparents lived in same wallworth bank )
Geo Boots   45 head M boot and Shoe maker, Hanby, Staffordshire
Elizth Boots   39 wife M, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Mary Ann Boots   19 UM Dau silk piecer, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Ellen Boots   17 Dau silk piecer, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Joseph Boots   14 son, silk piecer, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
John Boots   11 son silk piecer, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Geo Boots   8 son, Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 03:58 BST (UK)
Hi candysunny

welcome to roots chat

do you need some help ???

Jackie
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 04:01 BST (UK)
this could be a marraige for George and Elizabeth

George Boot married Elizabeth Sutton
9 Feb 1829 at Wolstanton, Stafford, England

Wolstanton, Stafford is 5.7 mi from Kidsgrove, Staffordshire
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 04:09 BST (UK)
George Boot
baptism/christening 26 Oct 1806 at HANLEY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
parents William Boot and Ann
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 04:43 BST (UK)
is this your grandfather death ???

Gerald Wright born 30 Mar 1921
Registered Jun 1994
South Cheshire, Cheshire
Register No A6A
District and Subdistrict 3411A
Entry no 140

and birth

Gerald Wright
Registered Apr-May-Jun 1921
Nantwich, Cheshire
Volume 8a
Page 630

Mother's Maiden Surname   Fowles
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 04:53 BST (UK)
Quote

My dad's parents were Elsie Wright (nee. Stutberry, living in Crewe) DOB 18th January 1922 20th May 2009 was when she died. she was originally from Dartford/ Grey's end,Kent. And she was married to Gerald Wright, his DOB was 30th MArch but my mum is unsure of the year, and was from the Crewe area (possibly born in Hack Green) Possibly he died on 10th April 1994 but unsure on the dates(I havent had chance to speak with my dad to clarify the dates).
I have found a birth certificate for a Wilmot Harris, born on 28th January 1910, registered in tunstall. My mum thinks this is some relation of her Grandmother..possibly Great-Grandfather
Thanks a lot Allan, this is very appreciated:)


Quote

I don't seem to be able to find any Stutberry are you sure that is how it is spelt ???

I think you might need to check with your Dad for more info on Elsie Wright nee Stutberry
also see if he might no his grandparents name as there are a few Wright marrying Fowles and we can have more of a look then

Jackie

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: denmart18 on Tuesday 26 June 12 08:55 BST (UK)
I think this may be the marriage:

Gerald Wright married Elsie Stuchberry 1945 Crewe Cheshire, 1st quarter, vol. 8a, pg 825
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: denmart18 on Tuesday 26 June 12 08:58 BST (UK)
I think this is her birth:

Elsie Stuchberry b. 1922 Dartford Kent, 1st quarter, vol. 2a, pg. 1112, mother's maiden name Buckley.
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 10:14 BST (UK)
Hi all, I got it incorrect, her name was Stutchberry, not Stutberry like I stated. Everything else is correct :)
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 10:21 BST (UK)
if it is the right parents for Ann they are still alive in the 1851 with more children  ???

I have just checked the tree I found the marriage for Ann and Joseph Boote and they have the same parents for her ( Peter and Maria )  ???

might need to buy her death or birth cert to be sure
We will contact the births and deaths place and ask for the birth certificate to clarify this
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 21:49 BST (UK)
Morning  :)

Hi Helen

did your father no his grandparents name in regards to the Wright and Fowles marriage ???


good find denmart18  ;D

that solves that mystery

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 22:06 BST (UK)
Elsie Stuchbury parents marraige


Henry E Stuchbury married Ivy D Buckley
Registered Apr-May-Jun 1918
Dartford, Kent
Volume 2a
Page 1281
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 22:08 BST (UK)
Morning  :)

Hi Helen

did your father no his grandparents name in regards to the Wright and Fowles marriage ???


good find denmart18  ;D

that solves that mystery


Morning!
I haven't spoken to him yet, but I will call him now :) I will see if he can confirm the information that was found last night.
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 22:09 BST (UK)
ok that would be good  :)
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 22:18 BST (UK)
He was able to confirm that the names we have are correct, Ruth fowles and John wright
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 22:34 BST (UK)
John Wright married Ruth Fowles
Registered Apr-May-Jun 1916
Chester, Cheshire
Volume 8a
Page 812
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 22:51 BST (UK)
birth

Ruth Fowles
Registered Jul-Aug-Sep 1890
Whitchurch
Cheshire, Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume 6a
Page 701

Ruth's death

Ruth Wright
born 29 Jul 1890
Registered Apr 1989
Congleton and Crewe Cheshire
Volume 35
Page 363
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 23:03 BST (UK)
1901
RG13/2556 Folio 28 Page 7
Wirswal
Wirswal,Cheshire
Joseph Fowles   38 head M farmer, employer, Whitchurch, Shropshire
Sarah Fowles   38 wife M,Hanmer, Cheshire
Alice Fowles   13 dau, Maryley Green, Cheshire
Ruth Fowles   10 dau, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Jessie Fowles   9 dau, Tuorsley, Cheshire
John Fowles   8 son, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Nellie Fowles   6 dau, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Joseph Fowles   4 son, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Edwin Fowles   3 son, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Walter Fowles   8 months son, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 23:13 BST (UK)
1901
RG13/2556 Folio 28 Page 7
Wirswal
Wirswal,Cheshire
Joseph Fowles   38 head M farmer, employer, Whitchurch, Shropshire
Sarah Fowles   38 wife M,Hanmer, Cheshire
Alice Fowles   13 dau, Maryley Green, Cheshire
Ruth Fowles   10 dau, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Jessie Fowles   9 dau, Tuorsley, Cheshire
John Fowles   8 son, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Nellie Fowles   6 dau, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Joseph Fowles   4 son, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Edwin Fowles   3 son, Tuorsley, Cheshire
Walter Fowles   8 months son, Tuorsley, Cheshire
That's so bizarre! I live just outside I Whitchurch, and wirswall is the village next to me
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 23:16 BST (UK)
its a small world  ;D

you can go and have a look at the farm

I am sending you personal message
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Tuesday 26 June 12 23:20 BST (UK)
It certainly is! I can't wait to tell my dad about your findings :)
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 23:22 BST (UK)
Joseph Fowles married Sarah Chase
Apr-May-Jun 1885
Whitchurch, Shropshire
Volume 6a
Page 1343
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 23:29 BST (UK)
death

Joseph Fowles
born abt 1864
Registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1901
Whitchurch, Shropshire
Volume 6a
Page 485
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 23:35 BST (UK)
birth Joseph Fowles
Jan-Feb-Mar 1865
Whitchurch, Cheshire, Flintshire, Shropshire
Volume 6a
Page 725
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Tuesday 26 June 12 23:54 BST (UK)
Sarah has remarried

Sarah Fowles married Charles Henry Williams
Jan-Feb-Mar 1903
Whitchurch, Shropshire
Volume 6a
Page 1067
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Wednesday 27 June 12 00:14 BST (UK)
Sarah wasn't born in Hanmer, Cheshire it should be Hanmer, Flintshire, Wales

1871
RG10/2787 Folio 43 Page 17
Hanmer, Flintshire,
William Chase   37 head M, Ag lab, Welshampton, Shropshire
Martha Chase   34 wife M Ag lab Wife Welshampton
Sarah Chase   9 dau scholar, Hanmer, Flintshire,
Mary Chase   7 dau scholar, Hanmer, Flintshire
John Chase   3 son , Hanmer, Flintshire
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Wednesday 27 June 12 01:03 BST (UK)
there are two Joseph Fowles born abt the same time same place from the census

one ends up in Wales the other is your relative

you will need to buy his death cert to go any further back

note I can only find one birth for a Joseph Fowles born abt 1865 Whitchurch, Cheshire, Flintshire, Shropshire



Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Wednesday 27 June 12 01:08 BST (UK)
just thought as you live so close

check the cemetery you might get a clue to who his parents are

or buy his marriage certificate

it would give you answers to both Joseph and Sarah
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Wednesday 27 June 12 01:14 BST (UK)
I'll have a walk over to the cemetary tomorrow as it is only a 2 minute walk, and check the whitchurch cemetary too :)
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Wednesday 27 June 12 01:15 BST (UK)
ok
let us no how you go and if you do find anything we might be able to work out who his parents are
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Wednesday 27 June 12 02:16 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome from me too

Gladys Boote, formery Berry had the maiden name of Kershaw.

Gladys Kershaw's birth reg'd Dec.qtr.1929 Macclesfield - her mothers maiden name Sykes.   She was the youngest of 4 (3 girls, 1 boy).   Her marriage to Mr. Berry was in Sept.qtr.1949 Macclesfield and to Antony Boote in 1961.

Her parents were Stanley Kershaw b.Sept.quarter 1895 Maccesfield, d.Sept.qtr.1957 Macclesfield and Winifred Sykes b.Sept.1886 Macclesfield, d.Sept.qtr.1962 Macclesfield.   Stanley and Winifred married Sept.qtr.1917 Macclesfield.

There are a couple of public trees on Ancestry for Gerald Wright and Elsie Stuchbury which have further details.

Annette



re reply 40  from Annette


Hi Annette
was the any information to back up the above info on the tree you have found

as there are two births for Stanley Kershaw

Stanley Kershaw
Apr-May-Jun 1889
Macclesfield, Cheshire, Derbyshire
Volume 8a
Page 159

and

Stanley Kershaw
Jul-Aug-Sep 1895
Macclesfield, Cheshire, Derbyshire
Volume 8a
Page 122

and Winifred Sykes b.Sept.1886 Macclesfield, 

I am just wondering if she could have married the Stanley born 1889 ???

Jackie
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: Annette7 on Wednesday 27 June 12 09:43 BST (UK)
The trees were for Gerald Wright and Elsie Stuchbury - no tree for Stanley Kershaw.   

Think a copy of Stanley Kershaw/Winifred Sykes marriage certificate is called for here.

Annette
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Wednesday 27 June 12 16:14 BST (UK)
The trees were for Gerald Wright and Elsie Stuchbury - no tree for Stanley Kershaw.   

Think a copy of Stanley Kershaw/Winifred Sykes marriage certificate is called for here.

Annette

I can try and get a copy of the marriage certificate for Stanley and Winifred asap or try to find out other infomation about his birthday
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Wednesday 27 June 12 22:58 BST (UK)
Hi Helen

before you rush off to order certificates and seeing as you live in the area you could try the local churches, cemetery or look for a genealogy society in your area and see if you can find any info there first

these 3 web site might help you with Cheshire records

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/

http://www.fhsc.org.uk/

if you do find anymore info let us no

good luck  :)

Jackie


PS Hi Annette

thank you for clearing that up  :)

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: nelehwright on Wednesday 27 June 12 23:16 BST (UK)
I will do. I am currently trying to get hold of my mum's auntie (Gladys's sister) to try and find more info. Will let you know as soon as I do
Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: shilo on Wednesday 27 June 12 23:19 BST (UK)
Hi Helen

always a good place to start with living relatives

hope she can answers a few questions for you

and do let us no happy to help further

good luck and happy hunting  ;D

Jackie

Title: Re: Help needed with family tree
Post by: LAMackay on Monday 15 November 21 13:06 GMT (UK)
Hello,
I've just registered on this site and i've seen that you are related to Joseph Fowles. Joseph is my 2nd Great Grandfather and I follow down the line of John, who moved to Barnsley after the war. He married Winifred Walsh in Halifax, West Yorkshire and they had four children in total. One of them being my grandfather.
I would love to get more information about the Fowles'

Regards,
Louise