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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: margerie on Sunday 01 July 12 12:17 BST (UK)
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Hi all.
I have searched for years, and am unable to trace my Antcliff family further back than my GG Grandad, John Henry Antcliff b 1845ish, somewhere in Notts. At time of marriage to Sarah Wilson in 1864 he resided in Elkesley. His marriage cert states that his father is named John Antcliff.
1871 Census states that a Sarah Antcliff 18 yrs was boarding with the family. I have now confirmed through marriage cert that she is infact his sister, and her father also named John Antcliff. I have traced a family with the following details:
1861 census: 2471 folio 34, pg 3
Top Street, East Markham
Sarah Antcliff Widow aged 80
Eliza Antcliff aged 38 unmarried?
Sarah Antcliff aged 7yrs Grand daughter
1851 census:
Sarah Antcliff Head 71 yrs Pauper (Nurse)
Elizabeth Antcliff aged 29 yrs, dressmaker
John Antcliff aged 6 Grandson
Mary Antcliff aged 2 yrs Grand daughter
From marriage certs I have established that John from 1851 census could be the missing link, ie my ggg grandad, who was either a Tailor, Sailor or Jailor according to marriage cert.
I cannot find evidence of this man, or his family.
Can anyone out there help?
Am looking to come down to Nottinghamshire Archives to search parish records etc
Thanks in advance
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Hi Margarie
Welcome to Rootschat
I am also researching the name Antcliffe who were from East Markham. My connection is a little further back, but I will look at my notes to see if I have any information on your line
Carol
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So have I got this right ? Are you saying that John in 1851 census is John Henry born 1845 ish who's father was also John who was a Tailor, Sailor or Jailer ?
Carol
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Ha, yes..as far as I can tell!
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ELIZABETH STANILAND Anticliffe was Christened 05 April 1822, East Markham, Nottinghamshire to SARAH Anticliffe
(Source Familysearch.Org)
It is possible John Arncliffe doesnt exist and John Henry/Sarah/Mary are all the illeg Children of Elizabeth Anticliff.
1851 under Anciffe; Sarah is Unm, Elizabeth Unm and John/Mary Grandchildren of Sarah.
HO107/2121/757/18
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Hi Trish
Thanks for the christening info, most useful!
I did wonder myself if the children were illegitmate, as Sarah's (1853) birth certificate has no mention of fathers details....
Oh where do I go from here, any advise?
Regards
Sara
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I have a very good Antcliffe tree, I will do some checking and get back to you on this.
Sarah A was born 28 June 1781 and baptised 9 July 1781 in East Markham. She was buried 16 Nov 1862 never having married. She was my 3rd cousin 5x removed!!
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Oh....interesting! :)
Elizabeth Staniland Antcliff is deffo not related, but thanks :)
Info I have on Sarah Antcliff 1781 is that she married a William Antcliff....so confusing!
Family legend has it that our Antcliff family originated in NORWAY..but somehow I cant see this...
I am actually a direct decendant too....my name being Sara Antcliff, our branch came from Notts in 1870's to reside in Sheffield, and lots of family still remain live there.
If its the same Sarah Antcliff, then she is my GGGG Grandma!
Regards, Sara
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Ok, is this the Sheffield branch that married an Ephraim Billam??
I have Sarah as being the daughter of Luke A and Mary Johnson who married 18 Dec 1780 in East Markham. They had 2 other daughters Jane 1783 and Frances 1786.
Luke was baptised 17 Mar 1747 in Askham and was buried 17 June 1814 in E M
He was the son of Thomas A and Mary Cook who also married in Askham 11 June 1747.
If we can work out if this is the correct line, I can go back another 4 generations from Thomas.
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Hi.
Those names and dates dont ring any bells at my end :((
My gg grandad was John Henry b 1845...he married Sarah Wilson of Clarborough in 1864..their children Charles b approx 1865, William George b 1868 (my g grandad) and John Thomas b approx 1870.
Charles, I have not got a clue what happened to him...John T married Agnes Watts, and resided in Sheffield all their lives with their brood.
Thankyou for your time and effort anyway ;D
Sara
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I havent managed to get any further back im afraid...hit a brick wall years ago, and still trying to knock it down so to speak.
The only other info I have I posted in original post above, re 1861 and 1851 census info.
Just dont know where to go from here...may have to take a day trip to Nottingham archives at some point.
Sara
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As I have said the census info, as far as I can discover, refers to my Sarah born 1781 East Markham, the daughter of Luke Antcliffe and wife Mary Johnson. I am trying to knock down your wall.!
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Hi Sara,
I think what we are trying to tell you is that it is possible John/Mary/Sarah are all the Children of Elizabeth the Daughter of Sarah.
They all appear on Census that you have quoted as Sarahs Grandchildren.
The Baptism I quoted is possibly Elizabeths, Daug of Sarah.
1871 Census Sarah is born c 1853, Spilsby, Lincolnshire ???
1861 John Antcliffe is born c 1843, Markham, Notts
Elizabeth Ancliffe appears to be with Robert WARD by 1871;
1871 Census, Retford, Notts;
RG10/3454/29/17
Robert WARD 48
Elizabeth Ward 48, Wife, born East Markham
Charles B Ward 10
Robert Ward 10
Alexander ANCLIFF 10 mths, Grandson
1881 they are in Lincs, Alexnader is still with them.
Trish :)
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Thanks LARKSPUR..
I read your message wrong...I think I got confused with SARAH...there are so many Sarah's in the family....thankyou....I do appreciate your help :) :)
Hi Trish, thanks to you too, your help is also appreciated :)
I have Sarahs birth certificate, and she was born 4th MAY 1853, Lidget Lane, Clarborough... even though online records state she was born in Spilsby...deffo typo.
Sara
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They didnt seem to like Christening their Children the Ancliffes ::)
I cant find Alexanders Parents at all.
Joh/Mary/Sarahs Christenings either.
OK just found that Alexander is down as Sarah Stephensons Nephew in 1891 Census.
(Under Alick Antliff c 1871)
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It makes things easier if you put the birth year after the name. IE Sarah 1781, Sarah 1853. I was refering of course to Sarah 1781. I can go backwards another few generations with her.
The Alexander Antcliff aged 10 months on the 1871 census, was baptised 4 August 1870 at St Swithun East Retford- he was the son of Mary A of West street a spinster.
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Ok Trish we crossed in that posting sorry. The illegitimate children of Elizabeth (1820), do not seem to have been baptised.
Mary A is on 1851 as 2 year old grand dau of Sarah (1781)
On the 1861 Census Mary is a 12 year old house servant living in Weston.
1871 Mary A is a 23 year old servant in Ordsall, Retford.
Marriage Freebmd
Sarah Antcliff and Edward Charlton Stephenson Sheffield, Jun 1871 9c/408
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Thankyou to you both :)
Larkspur, my research and the info that you have given me so far, appears to tie in with the family, so fingers crossed we could be linked by Sarah 1781... :)
Trish, thanks for this info too. I did not have this, however, this is the same family, as I am able to confirm that Sarah Stephenson is Sarah Antcliff 1853..I have her marriage cert, so this ties in perfectly :) she married Edward Charlton Stephenson in 1871 :)
Sara
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Trish - I am pretty sure the baptism you found for Elizabeth Stanniland A, is the Elizabeth we are interested in, Marg , you can never say someone is definitly NOT related.....We all are somewhere along the line.
Stanniland was a common name in EM they were farmers, I am now going to look if one was a Tailor/ sailor or jailer!!!
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Making progress!
Sorry if I confused anyone it just I tend to post late at Night and confuse myself sometimes!
Good luck with the Staniland search larkspur :)
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The only John Antcliff birth I can find in Nottinghamshire is Southwell Mar 1846 15/676.
This fits the time frame and the Register area. May be worth sending for this certificate, I would, it will hopefully sort things out one way or the other.
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Hi.
Those names and dates dont ring any bells at my end :((
My gg grandad was John Henry b 1845...he married Sarah Wilson of Clarborough in 1864..their children Charles b approx 1865, William George b 1868 (my g grandad) and John Thomas b approx 1870.
Charles, I have not got a clue what happened to him...John T married Agnes Watts, and resided in Sheffield all their lives with their brood.
Births at East Retford
William George Antcliff Mar 1868 7b/18
Charles Antcliff Sep 1869 7b/3
John Thomas Antcliff Dec 1869 7b/12
Birth at Southwell
Charles Robert Antcliff Sep 1864 7b/268
Death at East Retford Charles Antcliff aged 37 Dec 1906 7b/1 ( this is the one born 1869)
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LARKSPUR AND TRISH....Thankyou for your time and effort :)
Most appreciated :) :)
I have requested copy of said birth cert, and should be here in a day or two!
You mentioned previously regarding Luke Antcliff's burial date etc...Could you tell me which church this was at at please, as I should like to visit.
Just seen your posting regarding Charles....THANKYOU SO MUCH...will follow this up too :) :)
Regards, Sara
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E M- East Markham St John the Baptist, Luke buried 17 June 1814.
There are no A--- gravestones in E M churchyard. Send me a private post when you are planning on visiting, and I can meet you there, if you wish.
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Have birth certificate for John Antcliff born 17th January 1864, father Henry a labourer, mother Sarah Antcliff formerly Sands. Registered district is in Southwell Union, sub district Kneesal.
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Well, I am more confused than ever here....
I have the marriage of Henry A and Sarah Sands, it took place in Holme near Newark and was 24 June 1833, so if they had a son John in 1864 he would have arrived 31 years after they were married. Henry was around 22 and Sarah 16 when they wed, so if you do the math, it simply does not work!! I have 11 children for this couple, and yes there is a John but he was baptised 15 Feb 1846 In Muskham.
So apart from all that I cannot understand why you ordered this birth certificate when the John in question was born in 1846.....
OK I am there...did you mean to put 1846???
Sorry about that took a while to click in the brain, put it down to age!!
We now need to check and see if both Johns appear on the same census, one as the son of Henry and Sarah (Sands), and the other as the g son of the E Markham Sarah!!
Ok on the 1851 John aged 6 is with his grandmother in E Markham
on the same Census Henry does not have a John living with him!!( In North Muskham) But Henry was born 1811 in Norwell the son of yet another John and Elizabeth....and he does not have a sister Elizabeth either---I hope you can follow my train of thought---if so you are doing miles better than my husband!! So now we need to look for John son of Henry....
Ok burial John Antcliff 13 Jan 1847 aged 1 At North Muskham. Free bmd death Mar 1847 John Antcliff Southwell 15/555.
Sorry seems I told you to get the wrong certificate-- at least we have ruled him out.
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Ooops...My mistake..I did mean 1846! Been a long trying week at Silverstone lol
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Lucky you...shame the British boys didn't win, though I suppose Mark Webber is local!!!
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Mr and Mrs Larkspur...
Many thanks for your help!
I also found in 1861 census these details, which I asumed were relevant to my searching....
John Antcliff - Servant - Unmarried - 16/18 yrs(this has line through making reading difficult) - Carter - b East Markham. Lived at no 29 East Drayton?
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HI, I would say this is your John and I think the age is 18. East Drayton is not far away from East Markham.
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I have a very good Antcliffe tree, I will do some checking and get back to you on this.
Sarah A was born 28 June 1781 and baptised 9 July 1781 in East Markham. She was buried 16 Nov 1862 never having married. She was my 3rd cousin 5x removed!!
I have Antcliff/Antcliffe ancestors. My g/grandmother was Jane Antcliff(e) of Gringley On The Hill, born 1863, the daughter of James Antcliff(e) and Eliza Farr. Are they connected to your Antcliffes?
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I have not yet managed to connect my Antcliffes to the Gringley on the Hill branch. From what I know most of them come from Ellis and his wife Martha, Ellis was baptised in Eaton 28 Sep 1800 to John and Elizabeth Antcliff. Ellis and Martha had a son James baptised Gringley 25-12-1829. if you can tell me where John was baptised, I may be of more help.The only marriage possibility I can find for him is 18-9-1781 with a Elizabeth Webster in N Muskham.
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My James Antcliff(e) was the son of Ellis and Martha. He married Eliza Farr on 15th May 1856 at St Peter and St Paul church, Gringley. Their daughter, Jane, was my father's maternal great-grandmother.
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Hi
Just jumping on the band wagon!
Has anyone come across John Antcliff bpt circa 1780 please?
As far as I know he married Elizabeth Haywood 9/11/1801 Heanor. They baptised their children in Selston and John was buried at St. Martin's Alfreton 4/7/1838.
Valerie
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Valerie I have a John Antcliff that may fit the bill.I have not followed his line so have no marriages for him.
John A, baptised 18 May 1780 Edwinstowe, parents John and Martha (my 3rd cousin 5x removed)
John A bap 7 Dec 1778 Norwell parents John and Mary he had a wife Elizabeth but his 7 children were all baptised Norwell.
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Hi Larkspur
Thanks for the info. John of Edwinstowe certainly looks like a possible candidate, although i would have been happier if I had some Martha's in my tree, but sadly not.
What I think I have is
John Antcliff coal miner and Elizabeth Haywood mar 9/11/1801 Heanor
Children
Ann 1805 Selston
John 1807 Selston
Eleanor 1809 Selston
James 1811 Alfreton bur 1872 Pinxton
Robert 1814 Alfreton
Eliza 1821 Selston 'of Codnor Park' mar John Charlesworth bur 1874 Pinxton
Any chance you could let me have a few more details of John bpt 1780 Edwinstowe's parents, siblings, etc please in the hope that there might be some clues?
Very many thanks
Valerie
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Parents John A 1757-1802 married 3 Aug 1779 Edwinstowe to Martha Ellis.7 children, all in Edwinstowe
John 1780
Mary 1782
Richard 1785--married 1809 Sarah May
Hannah 1787
George 1790--married 1823 Millicent Thompson
Ann 1793
Lucy 1795
I have all the baptism and burial records and marriages.
John A 1757-1802 was the son of Thomas A 1720-1764 and wife Elizabeth.
Thomas was the son of Luke A 1697-1771 and Jane Hempsall, I can go back another 4 generation's from this Thomas.Hope this helps.
There was already a family connection with Edwinstowe.
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You could have missing children, a fair old gap between the marriage and first child. I also found a Harriet baptised 25 aug 1822 in Pentrich Derbys.
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Hi
Thank you for finding Harriet for me. Pentrich was a surprise, but it is in the right kind of area and both James, son of John and Elizabeth and Eliza, dau of John and Elizabeth called one of their daughter's Harriett.
There are definitely gaps, both between 1801-1805 and 1814-1821 so I am still looking for missing offspring.
I am also having difficulty finding anything other than the bpt entries for John and Elizabeth's other children, Ann 1805, Eleanor 1809, Robert 1814 and now Harriett 1822. I thought their burial, marriage or census entries might help, but can't find anything anywhere....
I will bear John bpt 1780 Edwinstowe in mind, but will not pencil him onto my tree until I have more corroborating info.
Valerie