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I am researching Thomas Harvey (1787-1863) and Mary Landrum( 1887-1875) whom were from Omagh. The Harvey’s emigrated from Scotland to Ireland in the 1700’s then on to Nova Scotia in 1816.
According to our records Thomas’s father was Robert Harvey(b 1766). Robert I had 5 children all of were born In Omagh.
Thomas and Mary had 11 children(Robert 1806, Hannah 1808, Thomas 1812, Mary 1815, Ann 1818 that were born in Ireland). The rest were born in Grand Pre Nova Scotia.
Our records show that Thomas was a linen weaver.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Jim
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I am also researching a Thomas Harvey (and his family) who is supposed to have been from Omagh, County Tyrone Scotland and had a son George Harvey who married Marry Anne Johnson and had eight children. Am not sure if we are talking about the same people or not and I do not know if my facts are correct.
I have uncovered some history and perhaps we can cross reference to see if there is some overlap in what we have learned?
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phphoto...near as I can tell it's the same Harvey.
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Hi, I found this in one of the posts : Rebecca (M'Afee?) Harvey bo rn in Fermanagh in 1867 and Thomas George Harvey gardener
In 1911 they were living in Dublin at House 11 in Oldconnaught (Rathmichael, Dublin)
Sons John James (18) and George Thomas (10)
I am not too sure but I think this (George Thomas age 10) may have been my great-grandfather on my father's side.
My father is (Name of living person removed for privacy reasons) born in Durban, South Africa in September 1951. His father was Norman Rome Thomas Harvey (we think, but he was known to all as Norman) - Norman was born in Nairobi, Kenya to George Clement Thomas Harvey who was married to Doreen Harvey (maiden name Searle) who then moved to South Africa.
I found an article in the Kenyan Government Gazette about the absolution of a partnership between George Harvey and his business Partner.
Things become VERY murky after Norman Harvey met his wife Olga Blanche Theresa De Gaye (married 1/12/1951) and the relationship between his and his family was severed. From what older family members have imparted, I think Norman had a sister called (name removed) and one called (name removed) . (But this is unconfirmed heresy from a family member who met them briefly over 46 years ago)
Norman remarried some years after Olga passed away and his second wife was estranged from the family. Any and all documentation including the family bible disappeared when she died.
I would really like to tie the families together, so much time has passed and Norman died leaving his children - (names removed) along with 12 Grandchildren and 20 great grandchildren. Some are still in South Africa and others are in the UK and New Zealand. Thank you for your time. I can be contacted on email (*)
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Link to Census to save other having to look for it..
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmichael/Oldconnaught/93352/
They were C of I, George, 10, Born Dublin, Parents married 19 yrs
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Marriage results for Thomas Harvey from 1880 to 1884
Displaying results 1 - 9 of 9. irishgenealogy http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jzk/
Mother = McAfee
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John Mother _McVeigh
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What makes you think this (George Thomas age 10) may have been your great-grandfather on father's side.
father is (*) born in Durban, South Africa in September 1951.
His father was Norman Rome Thomas Harvey (we think, but he was known to all as Norman) - Norman was born in Nairobi, Kenya to
George Clement Thomas Harvey who was married to Doreen Harvey (maiden name Searle)
or have you any PROOF George was even Irish??
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Marriage results for George Harvey from 1920 to 1947
1900s
Displaying results 1 - 16 of 16. IRISHGENEALOGY
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NO sign of Doreen.....
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Hi, thank you for your reply.
To be honest, I am clutching at straws as I have gone on info from the family who say Norman's father was of Irish decent.
The one attachment is of info I received from a lady who kindly assisted me on one of the genealogy sites that I am on, I am in New Zealand and unable to get to Pretoria despite having asked family members to help me with this.
Also because my grandfather was born in Nairobi (see marriage certificate) and given the article in the government Gazette about George Clement Thomas Harvey, I put them together with 10-year-old Thomas as his father was George. Possibly not a great assumption on my part but one of Norman's daughters had the middle name Doreen and apparently, Norman also had a sister called Anne, his one daughter is also Anne. There was a death/ will notice which mentioned Thomas' death in Johannesburg and mentions Doreen (nee Searle) Harvey as his surviving spouse
I could be wrong, but I have been trolling ship manifests to see if Thomas or George whichever name he went by, left the UK namely Ireland to go to Kenya (apparently many people left the UK for Kenya at that time) Sadly the Kenyan consulate has been VERY unhelpful as we have tried numerous times to request copies of my grandfather's birth certificate.
I called the London office and Kenyan offices and was told "we cannot help because they had no computers in those days", then they cut me off. (more than 5 times) I was hoping his parents had registered him in the country of their birth too.
My mother was born in SA - British mother and Finnish father and they both registered her birth in their respective countries and she was born a year before my father.
I digress. This is the info I have and it is not much so I may be worrying you for nothing and for that I apologise. If you are able to assist in any way, I would be most grateful - thank you for your time xx
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Bankruptcy (1937) George Clement Thomas Harvey, Nairobi- click here (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BxgOPOapTbQC&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=George+Clement+Thomas+Harvey&source=bl&ots=UnWTW6GA0O&sig=BrHAzUDUXh34YqyRW6BEXw7jfYc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbxMuHp7_TAhWJBcAKHSLjBvQQ6AEIMzAE#v=onepage&q=George%20Clement%20Thomas%20Harvey&f=false)
Dissolution of partnership (1933) mentioned earlier- click here (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DgBvxDZ5IYUC&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq=George+Clement+Thomas+Harvey+%26+nairobi&source=bl&ots=5VkfZSjy6a&sig=rRd_j6WcevYh4OTqNYmOtc1zjGM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjltdnTp7_TAhXkKcAKHVtYAo8Q6AEIKjAC#v=onepage&q=George%20Clement%20Thomas%20Harvey%20%26%20nairobi&f=false)
1944 notice- click here (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IqAaKcwhFb4C&pg=PP4&lpg=PP4&dq=George+Clement+Thomas+Harvey+%26+nairobi&source=bl&ots=wmC26MI7Cl&sig=fy_J85sEQslJfj7GSmA3R0nzvgg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjltdnTp7_TAhXkKcAKHVtYAo8Q6AEILDAD#v=onepage&q=George%20Clement%20Thomas%20Harvey%20%26%20nairobi&f=false)
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Don't think the dates make sense ???
Your father born 1951
His father (Norman) born c1926
His father George Clement Thomas Harvey
George Thomas Harvey, Dublin, is age 10 in 1911 census which would mean that he's unlikely to have been married and having children c1926
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Plot thickens-
20 Apr.1955 "Kenya Castle" arrived London from Mombassa
George Harvey born 4/9/99 civil servant resides Kenya
Doreen Harvey born 18/11/10 housewife
daughter * [details not given since she could be alive]
Online tree has-
George Clement Thomas Harvey born 4 Sept.1899 Kenya (fits with above passenger record)
parents- George Morgan Harvey (1878-1924) & Catherine Elizabeth van den Heever
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(My apologies to the Moderator regarding my posts, I am new (3years new) :D to this which is no excuse for not reading the advice before posting)
Thank you for your reply again.
Are you able to see their birth country/regions? Or possibly direct me so that I can search?
Thank you
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George Thomas Harvey married in 1928 from Quinnsborough Bray
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1928/09085/5286427.pdf
he died at that address 13th Jan 1985
search archives here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
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There were Harveys living beside me in Omagh for several years and although they moved they still live in Omagh, I was speaking to one of them recently called Kenneth Harvey.
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Hi, to date I have not had any connections for Harvey in USA (at least not from what I have traced)
With regard to this: Plot thickens-
20 Apr.1955 "Kenya Castle" arrived London from Mombassa
George Harvey born 4/9/99 civil servant resides Kenya
Doreen Harvey born 18/11/10 housewife
daughter * [details not given since she could be alive]
Online tree has-
George Clement Thomas Harvey born 4 Sept.1899 Kenya (fits with above passenger record)
parents- George Morgan Harvey (1878-1924) & Catherine Elizabeth van den Heever
I have hit a brick wall, I have searched on one of the Irish Ancestors sites as well as a couple of South African ones but nothing at the moment, however, I have asked my sisters to check from their side (UK) and see if they can come up with any ties. If anyone discovers anything else, I would be most grateful if you let me know. Thank you all so much for your help xx
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Harvey Family - Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but just had to share this, I found this while desperately searching- Sadly The email address no longer exists but wondered if anyone else perhaps can help put the puzzle pieces together - from info I have found George Clement Thomas Harvey is on of the son's of George Morgan Harvey (My great grandfather) - This is the post - From: "Lynette Litfin" > Subject: Re: SOUTH-AFRICA-D Digest V01 #279 Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 12:12:23 -0700 Greetings I am looking for assistance on the following:- THOMAS HARVEY b.1830 Essex (probably Romford) d.1890 buried Sprinfontien cemetery. Emigrated with brother GEORGE HENRY HARVEY to South Africa abt ? settle in ? but moved north to 'Jackalsfontein' (Farm) near Springfontein, now named 'montpellier'. George Henry had 4 sons, 3 farmers, 1 bank manager. His mothers name was Nora, one son, Thomas was killed in the Boar war, with distinction. Family intermarried with WILMOTS and PRIORS. Harveys owned 60,000 acres. The farm was bought by DEWITT & later by De KLERK. They helped yo build the church at Philipolis. Twelve HARVEYS and PRIORS are buried in Springfontein cemetery.. George's son George Morgan born about 1878, subsequently moved to Kenya abt 1906 and developed a farm on lake Naiuasha he had three sons and three daughters.The oldest, VIOLET born 1893 at Jackals fontein was my mother. George Morgan's sons were HERBERT, THOMAS, and HUGH. He was married to Elizabeth VAN DEN HEVER, my maternal Grandmother Any assistance about the above families would be much appreciated and assistance provided where possible.
Kind Regards
Geoff Howarth
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I think there are a few mistakes in the persons post but havent corrected all of them --So my plot thickens - this is SO exciting Thank you in advance xx
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Hi Jim,
I can help with your question about Thomas, he did move to Nova Scotia and settled in Grand Pré. He was my great-great grandfather and his descendants are still living in the village of Grand Pré today, over 200 years later :)
Fred