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We've got a Scavenger Hunt to challenge you. Lesanne assures me there's more twists and turns than the Isle of Man racetrack!!!
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
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Hello Everyone,
The name "Killingworth" is a family name for Edmund Killingworth Stone.
In trying to find his ancestor's, there is so much info, that I can't see the wood for the "Tree's"
So far.. I have Killingworth Hedges marries Jane Bishop in Wootton Oxon c1823.
But which Killingworth Hedges.... ;)
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Ok to start here are marriages from Oxfordshire Marriage Index i have found so far.....
8 Jun 1824 Killingworth Hedges to Jane Bishop at Wootten
Not sure on this one, is it spelt wrong ?
26 Oct 1835 Kenilworth Hedges to Elizabeth Higgins at Wootten
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Couple of baptisms that might help later...
2 Apr 1780 Killingworth Hedges, St Martins in the Fields, Middlesex, born 6 Mar 1780
Parents Killingworth and Frances
30 Mar 1783 Killingworth Richard Hedges, St Martins in the Fields, Middlesex, born 23 ? 1783
Parents Killingworth and Frances
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Some marriages...
1777 Killingworth Hedges to Frances Willett at Marylebone, London
7 Feb 1808 Killingworth Richard Hedges to Mary Anne Fentham at Saint Anne, Soho
And a burial....
29 Sep 1780 Killingworth Hedges, St Martins in the Fields, Middlesex
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Hiya
Lesanne could you give us clues? rough year/place of birth for Edward? have you found him in any census? there are various bits I think to make sense of them you will have to take it step by step
:)
DebbieG
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Maybe a start here....
http://www.thebishopsonline.co.uk/Tree/bishop%20master%2014%20october%202004/58.htm
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Debbie have you got Wootten, Woodstock PRs to check for baptism of above ??
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OK so Edward Killingworth Stone born about 1853 Wootton, Oxfordshire to Edmund Stone and Ann (nee Hedges) and it's Ann's side we are after.
From a site site found by Google her parents were Killingworth Hedges & Jane Bishop which matches with the marriage found earlier
I wonder where the London ones come in?
DebbieG
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No sadly I don't have that disk :(
DebbieG
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This link gives parents for Killingworth which might be worth checking out...
http://www.thebishopsonline.co.uk/Tree/bishop%20master%2014%20october%202004/57.htm
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There is this marriage on Oxfordshire Marriage Index which fits with above..
10 Jan 1785 Benjamin Hedges to Martha Lee at Ox St Giles
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There is a tree on An....y that gives Killingworth's date of death as 1860 and his wife Janes as 1867 - we ought to be able to find them in some census, Ann married after 1841 (1847 I think) so she might even be with them in 1841
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Hmm I am fairly sure I have found Jane & Ann in 1841
In Wootton 1841
Jane Hedges aged 40
Ann Hedges aged 12
Martha Bishop aged 60
James Bishop aged 6
All born in county no occupations given
No sign of Killingworth unfortunatly
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1851...1730 / 254 / 29
Killingworth Hedges, head, age 56, b Wootten, Oxfordshire, occ mason
Jane, wife age 58, b Wootten, Oxfordshire, occ gloveris
Ann Stone, dau, married, age 23, b Wootten, Oxfordshire, occ gloveris
Edmond Stone, son in law, age 27 b Wootten, Oxfordshire, occ ag lab
Address... 120 Wootten, Oxfordshire
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Im having a job to find Killingworth in 41 as well Debbie :o
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Brill - you got there just before me, so now we have a near year for Killingworths birth and a place of birth - which ties in with the on-line tree so I can't see any reason to disbelieve that it is correct in giving Killingworth parents as Benjamin & Martha (nee Lee), of course it would be great if we can find someone with those transcripts to confirm :-\
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Hello Debs and Sue,
There is a Killingworth Hedges on his own in Wilts aged 40 / c1801.
Les
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Hiya Lesanne
That is looking possible - can you see an occupation? in 1851 he is a Mason and he was probably working away from home
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If we are going with the theory that Killingworths parents were Benjamin and Martha there are these burials from Wootton
1816 Benjamin HEDGES aged 52
1826 Benjamin HEDGES aged 68
1835 Martha HEDGES aged 69
-Wootton is in the NBI up to 1850
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The tree on An....y says the Benjamin that died in 1816 is the father of Killingworth so born in 1763 and has very nicly included copies of scans of the transcripts of the registers as sources. The one baptised in 1763 was the son of William and Catherine, and according to them Catherine's maiden name was 'Killingworth'
:D
Sue can you find that marriage of William & Catherine in the marriage index?
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Well done Debbie ;D
Les might be worth putting post on Oxfordshire board to see if anyone has Wootten PRs :)
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Exploring that tree a bit more - and it does seem fairly thoroughly researched it seems that William Hedges and Catherine (nee Killingworth) had a son called Killingworth, who would be a brother of Benjamin's born in 1749 in Wootton, I think this would be the one the London records Sue found earlier reffer to. I seems he died in Sunbury about 1823
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Ok done.. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=604968.new#new
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http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/az/wtext/johnson_006.html
The will has an Aunt Hedges. I think this could be Catherine, with children.. one of them is a Benjamin.
Les
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Have just PM'd you some notes from the will of the older Killingworth - your Killingworth's uncle
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ooo...thanx. Lokin now.
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Killingworth Hedges c1749 - 1822 he marries Frances Willett c1755 - 1836
children:-
Catherine 1785-1804
John (youngest)
William
Killingworth Richard
Richard
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It Seems that William and Catherine had the following
Margaret Hedges 1740 –
Thomas Hedges 1743 – 1743
William Hedges 1745 – 1817
Killingworth Hedges 1749 – 1822
Silence Hedges 1752 –
John Hedges 1754 – 1838
Katherine Hedges 1756 –
Benjamin Hedges 1763 – 1816
Margaret married William Brooks - marriage not found evidence from mother's will
Silence married John Williams of Deddington
Ohh looks like there is a PCC will for Catherine Hedges (nee Killingworth). I have sent you a copy of the notes from this Les
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I think John married an Elizabeth.
She says 7 children... Thomas is in brother Killingworth's will (1822)
Shame we haven't got Wootton... To get her marriage to William Hedges. If it was there??
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Hi
I have the Wooton transcripts but have lost the plot trying to follow all the posts :)
There is baptism for Killingworth Hedges 15 Jan 1795 s Benjamin & Martha
This fits the marriage to Jane Bishop and the buriels in 1860 (Killingworth age 65) and 1867 (Jane age 75)
There is a Kenilworth Hedges baptised 04 Apr 1811 s Thomas & Susannah who may be the one who married Elizabeth Higgins 26 Oct 1835
Wit=Thomas Stone & Sarah Higgins
His buriel ?
16 Dec 1858-Killingworth Hedges 46
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Oh that's great Kim
Is the marriage of William Hedges and Catherine Killingworth at Wootton? it would be 1739 according to the online tree we are checking?
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I have just found this note on William from the on-line tree
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William was supposed to have joined Hedges and Butler's in 1733, This is an unfounded rumour perpetuated over the years.
But I have my doubts about this, as he never appeared to have left Wootton, also he had no connection with the KILLINGWORTH's who had married into the HARRIS family (Founders of a Grocers business in London), until he had married Catherine KILLNGWORTH in 1739. It was Catherine's brothers who inherited the business in London from their uncle Edmund HARRIS. In fact the first HEDGES involved was the fifth child of William & Catherine's, named 'Killingworth HEDGES' who succeeded his uncle William KILLINGWORTH in the Grocery business. (Naming it 'HEDGES') in 1767, and it was a considerable time before it became known as 'HEDGES & BUTLER's due to the fact that two of Killingworth's HEDGES children being married to BUTLER's who were also grocers and the business's became combined.
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Just found that the marriage of William & Catherine was at Over Worton a bit to the north of Wootton apparently
Les was it you who had that big hunt going on for the Norris family? cos I have just seen that Catherine Killingworth's parents were Thomas Killingworth & Margaret nee Norris.
I must say that most of what I am finding is directly from one persons tree on Anc..y and he really has done a great job, one of the best I've seen, it might be good to try and get in touch Les
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Welcome Kim.. I don't think we've 'met' .. the more the merrier in these 'throw everything in' Scavenger Hunts...
:D Thats a good bit of info there Debbie.. lots of names and dates to work on.
This will has witnesses Lee... tyes in the Benjamin marriage.
http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/az/wtext/johnson_005.html
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Hi All
I have the Wootton PR's in my CD drive now - what can I help with?
As a starter there is no Killingworth marriage in 1739 listed
Nigel
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Can we have an update on what we still need as im lost as usual ::)
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Opps... what about baptisms..
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Children of Killingworth and Frances below all born ST Martin in the Fields
1 Oct 1781 Frances
29 Dec 1785 Catherine
2 Apr 1780 Killingworth
30 Mar 1783 Killingworth Richard
18 Dec 1788 Richard Willett....says mother Torances, maybe misprint
25 Dec 1790 Waring Willett
19 Jan 1779 William
1 Apr 1787 William
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Not at Wooton-I do not think Over Norton had it's own registers -it s not at Chipping Norton so hopefully someone will have the Oxfordshire Marriage Index ?
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Kim
I've got the OMI what names are you looking for - as usual I have lost the plot with this one albeit I have joined late
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From OMI
3 Feb 1739 William Hedges, Wootten, to Katherine Killingworth, Wootten at Over Worton
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:D My 'charge' has just arrived. Back abt 7.30. Thank you all.
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It Seems that William and Catherine had the following
Margaret Hedges 1740 – m William Brooks
Thomas Hedges 1743 – 1743
William Hedges 1745 – 1817
Killingworth Hedges 1749 – 1822 m Frances Willett
Silence Hedges 1752 – m John Williams
John Hedges 1754 – 1838
Katherine Hedges 1756 –
Benjamin Hedges 1763 – 1816 m Martha Lee
Margaret married William Brooks - marriage not found evidence from mother's will
Silence married John Williams of Deddington
Can we find these other marriages...
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Hi Sue
From OMI and PR's:
John Williams m Silence Hedges in St Marys Church on 24 Dec 1778 by Lic he was a bachelor from Deddington she a spinster from Wootton.
Wits; Wm Hedges and John Hedges
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Hi and well done Nigel :)
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Just thought i would look to see if i could find any possible parents for Catherine Killingworth
and there is this one in OMI ....
21 Dec 1709 Thomas Killingworth, Wootten to Margaret Norris, Nw Woodstock at Bladon
;D ;D ;D
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Blimey!!!! :o :o ... Sue.. you do find them. 8)
Wasn't Margaret the first born who married Brooks? Could be the name following on....
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Well if that 1709 marriage was right this could be Thomas Killingworths father from OMI...
3 May 1682 William Killingworth to Silence Harris, Charlbury at Wootten
Now Silence is name we have come across before..... :)
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Oh well done Sue.
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Hi
I have the Wooton transcripts but have lost the plot trying to follow all the posts :)
There is baptism for Killingworth Hedges 15 Jan 1795 s Benjamin & Martha
This fits the marriage to Jane Bishop and the buriels in 1860 (Killingworth age 65) and 1867 (Jane age 75)
There is a Kenilworth Hedges baptised 04 Apr 1811 s Thomas & Susannah who may be the one who married Elizabeth Higgins 26 Oct 1835
Wit=Thomas Stone & Sarah Higgins
His buriel ?
16 Dec 1858-Killingworth Hedges 46
Hi Kim, Would you know the parents of this Thomas please?
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Just found that the marriage of William & Catherine was at Over Worton a bit to the north of Wootton apparently
Les was it you who had that big hunt going on for the Norris family? cos I have just seen that Catherine Killingworth's parents were Thomas Killingworth & Margaret nee Norris.
I must say that most of what I am finding is directly from one persons tree on Anc..y and he really has done a great job, one of the best I've seen, it might be good to try and get in touch Les
... Oh Debbie, I'm so sorry that I missed this bit until now. :-[
Yes, It was one of the 1st hunts I believe.
I cannot think of a Margaret Norris that was found, but then she would be way before William Norris in Woodeaton c 1766 which was as far as we got.
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1st tree
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Good Morning All
That's great Lesanne makes it so much clearer to see it drawn out. Some more snippits
from the online tree Thomas Killingworth was baptised 9th Sept 1688 at Wootton son of William (no mother given), he was buried 6th May 1732 (no other info).
From Oxfordshire index to probate records there is a will at Oxford for Thomas Killingworth 1737 of Wootton Ref 210.227;138/4/7
the index doesn't give his occupation though.
Thomas's father William Killingworth baptised at Wootton 7th March 1656 son of Thomas Killingworth(no mother or occupation given)
married at Wooton to Silence Harris - you already have
Buried at Wootton 6th Feb 1710 (no other info)
Another snippit from Google there is a 'Killingworth Castle Inn' at Wootton :D
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Just found (Online tree)
Killingworth Castle Inn Wootton was owned by William and his wife Silance, the Inn was founded by his father Thomas in 1636.
Info on father Thomas - no baptism found born about 1619 - don't know where
married Anne Durham, not from register of Wootton
Entry in St Mary the Virgin, Wootton parish register;- Memo that Thomas KILLINGWORTH otp and Anne DURHAM were married at North Aston church, the 1 Jan 1645 as it was testified under the hand of William SCROGES then Curat there, who married them. Robt ANDREWS then clerk there, gave her. (Note by transcribe; No such entry in N Aston register)
Buried Wootton 6th Jan 1680/81 Thomas Killingworth (no other info)
There is a will and inventory at Oxford for Thomas Killingworth of Wootton 1680. Ref 203.165;138/2/19
The two wills I have mentioned above are the only Killingworth wills in the Oxford Probate indexes
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Morning all
I expect you know but the Killingworth Castle pub is still there and operating, does a great menu and they put on some brilliant live band - not too load either - nights.
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Les
By the way my Catherine Hedges B 1788 bapt St Marys Wootton 20 Apr 1788 was sister to your Killingworth Hedges 1795 - or did we already know that?????
Nigel
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Oh Wow Nigel - so it's your ancestors we're doing too?
A couple more bits, I checked my transcript for the Oxfordshire 1641-2 Protestaion returns, the Wootton one looks pretty complete and there are no Killingworths to be seen, in fact there are none in the whole of Oxfordshire in the survinving returns, though chunks of the county are missing.
By the 1665 Hearth Tax Thomas Killingworth is being taxed for 1 hearth in Wootton, so it's not a big Inn at this point, probably more of an alehouse.
From the index to the Oxfordshire Quarter Session Rolls 1687 - 1830
In 1690 William Killingworth of Wootton Innkeeper was presented in court - something to do with an insult - sorry can't sort the latin wording.
In 1701 William Killingworth of Wootton paid £10 for a Inn License bondsmen being John Williams & John Tredwell
In 1713 Thomas Killingworth yeoman of Wootton was presented (with others) I think for breaking the excise rules
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Hi Debbie
How are you?
That's some good info you have put up just now.
The Hedges and Killingworth's are part of the fringe of my tree and I do have quite a few so I always watch you are all doing in here particularly Les of course, Sue and you.
My tree has the Hedges peppered all over many generations. I went to school in Woodstock with some Hedges from Wootton as well, now who were they, my memory - don't say its age related!!!
I have had more than one pint in the castle over the years as well!!
Nigel
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Good Morning All,
Goodness, how everything is coming together.
Debbie, Nigel, Kim and Sue, thanks for joining this.
Les
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http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationsofcou57harv#page/n353/mode/2up
Nothing in Vis of Oxon .. Disclaimers
http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationsofcou57harv#page/n83/mode/2up
This one has a John Kyllingworth memorial in Marton College Oxford... but I can't make out the date !!!
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Hi Lesanne
Not sure if your question re the parents (Thomas & Susannah)of the Killingworth Hedges born 1811 was answered ?
In case not (and apologies if I am duplicating anything !!)
(All Wooton)
Marriage-14 Nov 1790
Thomas Hedges b by Lic
Susannah Lee sp
Wit=Anne Lee/Barington Buggins
(there really is a Buggins family in Wooton !)
Baptisms for Thomas Hedges ?
27 Dec 1760-Thomas s William & Katherine
11 Sept-1763-Thomas s Benjamin & Sarah
15 Aug 1773- Thomas s John & Mary
I think probably the last one as
Buriel
---- April 1843-Thomas Hedges 69 Parish Clerk
Baptism for Susannah Lee
10 Sept 1772-Susannah Lee d Richard & Mary
Buriel
22 Sept 1834-Susannah Hedges 63
Children of Thomas & Susannah
15 Mar 1791-Richard
26 May 1793-Fanny
28 Dec 1794-Thomas--bur 06 Aug 1822 age 27
28 Feb 1796-Silence
17 Jun 1798-Catherine
28 Sept 1800-John
12 Sept 1802-Mary---bur 01 Dec 1824 age 20
14 Oct 1804-Elizabeth
23 Nov 1806-Hannah--bur 05 Jan 1833 age 27
11 Jun 1809-William
04 Aug 1811-Killingworth
13 Feb 1814-James ---------shoemaker (only ref to occupation
Some more buriels (Hedges)
13 Aug 1777-Catherine
03 Aug 1802-Katherine
29 Dec 1802-Benjamin
09 Jun 1816-Benjamin age 52
21 Mar 1817-William age 71
05 Jan 1821-Sarah age 63
17 Nov 1833-Thomas age 76
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Hi All,
Kimbrey is there anything on this Thomas Killingworth and Margaret Norris on your Wootten PRs.
Need to know how they fit in please :)
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http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationsofcou57harv#page/n83/mode/2up
This one has a John Kyllingworth memorial in Marton College Oxford... but I can't make out the date !!!
Les
I think you will find the date is 17 May 1415
Nigel
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Morning Sue - if you look at the tree Les has put on the previous page Thomas Killingworth who married Margaret Norris are the parents of Catherine Killingworth who married William Hedges.
Les - that date is early - I make it 27th May 1415
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Sorry Nigel is right 17th not 27th
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Debbie, Nigel ...1415... Yikes!! Let him be for a minute or two.
Kim, Thank for typing out that lovely info.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=101866&strquery=Killingworth+Norris+Lee
Just a tickle of Norris in here Sue.
Les
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Cannot see a Killigworth/Norris connection at Wooton
Did find this though ?
Marriage 05 June 1637
CHILLINGWORTH Ralfe Lic
HARRIS Dina both of the City of Oxford
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Had further thoughts on which Thomas Hedges married Susannah Lee in 1790 and my suggestion that it is the one born 1773 may be wrong - he would be a bit young to marry in 1790 / !!
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Here it is Sue.
Thomas Killingworth(1688-1732 prob-1737) s/o William/Silence
married 21 Dec 1709 -BLADON-
Margaret Norris
This Margaret, from where/whom did she arrive? :P :P
Thanks Kim, Harris is getting popular.. and Crikey.. not another Ralphe.
They are in nearly all my trees and generations.
Les
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The NORRIS family in Bladon had ties with Coombe and Wolvercote and something to do with Blenheim Estate workers - trouble is I cannot find where I got that info from - so be ware!!!
Nigel
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OFHS MI says Margaret Norris was from Nw Woodstock (which was NEW Woodstock and included Hensington and Bladon). No baptism in Woodstock PR's off to look at Wootton
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Found this saying 13 kids for Thomas and Susannah...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OXFORDSHIRE/2005-06/1118090634
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Help....what are we looking for now ??
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Baptism
16 Jan 1689-NORRIS Margret d Thomas Old Woodstock
Very few NORRIS' at Wooton-no marriage for Thomas Norris ther
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Well done Kimbrey :)
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Baptism
16 Jan 1689-NORRIS Margret d Thomas Old Woodstock
Were there any other Norris children Kim. Sue will be very interested in this!!
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These are all the NORRIS entries at Wooton
Baptisms
03 Aug 1700-Thomas s Richard
27 Dec 1701-Richard s Richard
14 Mar 1702-Joseph s Richard--bur 21 June 1703
22 July 1704-Patience d Richard
24 Feb 1705-Joseph s Richard
24 Dec 1708-John s Richard
Marriages
30 October 1695
Robert MILES New Woodstock
Catherine NORRIS
23 January 1812
Valentine WILSDEN b Shoreditch London
Mercy NORRIS sp LIC
Wit=E.Norris/Joseph Hector Norris
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Kimbrey you mentioned Buggins family in a post...well just found this marriage...
28 Sep 1772 Richard Buggins to Susannah Norris at Woodstock
Could these link maybe....
Just adding in case... 14 Feb 1790 Barrington Buggins to Ann Higgins, wid at Wootten
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I think they were just witnesses-I do not think they are connected (so far!!) I thought the name unusual and made the comment :)
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Hi
I have the Wooton transcripts but have lost the plot trying to follow all the posts :)
There is baptism for Killingworth Hedges 15 Jan 1795 s Benjamin & Martha
This fits the marriage to Jane Bishop and the buriels in 1860 (Killingworth age 65) and 1867 (Jane age 75)
There is a Kenilworth Hedges baptised 04 Apr 1811 s Thomas & Susannah who may be the one who married Elizabeth Higgins 26 Oct 1835
Wit=Thomas Stone & Sarah Higgins
His buriel ?
16 Dec 1858-Killingworth Hedges 46
Hi Kim, Would you know the parents of this Thomas please?
The ref to Thomas as brother in Killingworth Hedges will 1822/3 shows Thomas is still alive and not the one born 1743-d1743.
I can't see a Thomas as s/o William and Catherine Hedges which there should be somewhere?? and be the husband of Susannah Lee.
So I'm going to temp put one in tree so Susannah and children are included.... :/
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From Kim... Baptisms for Thomas Hedges ?
27 Dec 1760-Thomas s William & Katherine
.... ah this one.... mention in brothers will
11 Sept-1763-Thomas s Benjamin & Sarah
... the Ben we have was born 1763 s/o William & Katherine married Martha Lee 1785... so this must be another Benjamin Hedges... and another Thomas. Oh My...
15 Aug 1773- Thomas s John & Mary
... as you say Kim, this one to young to marry 1790 Susannah
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Do these help Les?? From OMI...
8 Apr 1756 Benjamin Hedges to Sarah Kilbey at Wootten
29 Jun 1777 Benjamin Hedges to Sarah Lanchbury at Wootten
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I think they would make us have to look at William Hedges..
Do we have the children of Thomas and Margaret.. We've got Catherine...
Thomas 1711-1764 (Married Susannah Lee ?
William 1711 -1767 (Married Grace Hodgekinson c 1735)
Silence 1716 - 1767 (Married Phillip Johnson 25 Oct 1740 Wootton)
John 1719 -1765
William 1719 - ??
Catherine 1722 -1777 (Married William Hedges 3 Feb 1739 Over Worton) prob 1777
Elizabeth 1724 - ?? (Married James Perry or Isaac Parry)
These all need to be confirmed please.
Les
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No baptisms for Thomas & Margaret at Wootton
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From the Ancestry tree again Thomas & Margaret apparently had
Thomas Killingworth 1711 – 1764 died St Martins in the Fields London
William Killingworth 1711 – 1767
Silence Killingworth 1716 – 1767
John Killingworth 1719 – 1765
CATHERINE KILLINGWORTH 1722 – 1777
Elizabeth Killingworth 1724 –
That's strange Kim - the chap who did the tree has them born Wootton, though I think the registers only give the fathers name at this point.
It looks like there may be two more will available too - for the elder brothers Thomas & William
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http://www.ontaworld.co.uk/england/oxfordshire/wootton/church6.html
and
http://www.ontaworld.co.uk/england/oxfordshire/wootton/church12.html
Just thinking same thing Debbie..older brothers Thomas and William..
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I think they would make us have to look at William Hedges..
Do we have the children of Thomas and Margaret.. We've got Catherine...
Thomas 1711
William 1711
Silence 1716 (Married Phillip Johnson)
John 1719
William 1719
Catherine 1722 (Married William Hedges) prob 1777
Elizabeth 1724 (Married James Perry or Isaac Parry)
These all need to be confirmed please.
Les
Silence married Philip Johnson 25 Oct 1740 at Wootten
Katherine married William Hedges 3 Feb 1739 at Over Worton
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Just sent you the notes from Thomas, Les sorry to do it this way folks, usually I get really fed up when half way through hunt someone says - I've sent you info by PM as it leaves other interested parties not knowing what's going on but these notes are lengthy copies taken from the An..try tree I've found done by the person who made that tree and I don't know if he will want them on a public board
Also the notes from William's
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Not sure if these still needed ???
Baptisms at Wootton for William & Catherine
26 Nov 1740-Margaret
20 Jun 1743-Thomas---bur 23 Jan 1743 inf
14 Sept 1745-William
01 Nov 1747-Elizabeth
03 Dec 1749-Killingworth
15 Mar 1752-Silence
12 May 1754-John
15 Aug 1756-Katherine
27 Dec 1760-Thomas
(I really feel for these women !)
Buriels
29 May 1767-William Hedges
13 Aug 1777-Catherine Hedges
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Sorry--looked under Hedges instead of Killingworth !
Baptisms at Wootton for Thomas & Margaret
19 Mar 1710-William
22 Jan 1712-Thomas
01 Aug 1716-Silence
23 Apr 1719-John
02 Apr 1722-Catherine
30 Jan 1724-Elizabeth
Buriel
09 Apr 1763-Margaret Killingworth
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Thanks for PMing me the wills info Debbie.. this has been put on transcribed wills. Wills are so useful.. if I ever find the right ones.. and not written in Latin... ;)
This is Thomas's will (1764) from OFHS transcribed wills..
http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/az/wtext/killingworth_002.html
This is will of brother William (1767)
http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/az/wtext/killingworth_001.html
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Oh brilliant Les - I don't feel guilty now, I wonder if it is the same person who transcribed and submitted them as has the tree I've been looking at? It could be the first name is the same
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Baptism
16 Jan 1689-NORRIS Margret d Thomas Old Woodstock
Very few NORRIS' at Wooton-no marriage for Thomas Norris ther
Kim
Where did you find this baptism please, I have the Woodstock PR's on OFHS OXF -WOD01 on my other screen now and this baptism is not in the lists nor the index. If the CD is wrong I will tip them off and hope they will add the info when they do a rewrite?
Nigel
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Hello Nigel
Sorry - I did not give the place of the baptism-it was at Wootton and is in the Index
(no others for Thomas there)
However - there is an error in the Wootton Index for HEDGES
The Index for baptisms goes to 1782 and then none between that and 1800 when there are in fact several !
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Morning Kim
Thanks for the answer I am on it.
T ra
Nigel
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Not sure if these still needed ???
Baptisms at Wootton for William & Catherine
26 Nov 1740-Margaret
20 Jun 1743-Thomas---bur 23 Jan 1743 inf
14 Sept 1745-William
01 Nov 1747-Elizabeth
03 Dec 1749-Killingworth
15 Mar 1752-Silence
12 May 1754-John
15 Aug 1756-Katherine
27 Dec 1760-Thomas
(I really feel for these women !)
Buriels
29 May 1767-William Hedges
13 Aug 1777-Catherine Hedges
Have we got all marriages for the above Les ?
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:) Thanks for all your time guys.
I was going to ask about the Stone side, for Edmund Killingworth Stone.
Unfortunately, I have to take my thumb to the doc/nurse/hosp and get a huge, yuk splitter out.
It is painful to type... :-\
If you have anything to throw in 'the pot' for his family and son's Herbert Thomas and Percival, most grateful.
Les
oo red post.. those marriages would great Sue.. then I can tree up all the desc..
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It Seems that William and Catherine had the following
Margaret Hedges 1740 – m William Brooks
Thomas Hedges 1743 – 1743
William Hedges 1745 – 1817
Killingworth Hedges 1749 – 1822 m Frances Willett
Silence Hedges 1752 – m John Williams
John Hedges 1754 – 1838
Katherine Hedges 1756 –
Benjamin Hedges 1763 – 1816 m Martha Lee
Thomas Hedges 1760 - m Susannah Lee
Margaret married William Brooks - marriage not found evidence from mother's wil
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Ooops we already done them as much as possible i think Les :)
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So here is Edward to start.....
Edward Killingworth Stone born about 1853 Wootton, Oxfordshire to Edmund Stone and Ann (nee Hedges)
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Kimberly can you check birth please .. :)
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Hi
What about Thomas bapt 27 Dec 1760 and he later married Susannah Lee on 14 Nov 1790 by LIC wits: Ann Lee and Barrington Buggins.
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Thanks Nigel...needs adding will do it now :)
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Hi
Edmund Killingworth Stone bapt 17 May 1853 St Marys s o Edmund and Ann - Labourer
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Thats his bap sorted then, thanks :)
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Marriage
Oct- Nov- Dec 1847 Edmund Stone to Ann Hedges at Woodstock.... Vol 16 Page 321
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Bit more detail on the marriage:
St Marys, Wootton on 2 Nov 1847 banns Wits George Gubbins Mary X Williams.
Edmund 24 bach labourer otp
Ann 20 sp otp d o Killingworth, mason
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1841...
Richard Dgibson age b Oxfordshire
Hannah Dgibson age 30 b Oxfordshire
Thomas Barnard, age 15 b Oxfordshire
Edmund Stone age 15 b Oxfordshire
Address Wootton Downs, Wootton...
Wonder if that name is meant to be Gibson ???
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Was looking into those witnesses on marriage you found Nigel and found this marriage.....
Oct-Nov-Dec 1855 George Gubbins to either Sarah Lines or Eliza Lines at Banbury...Vol 3a Page 1143
Added....not sure this is right George as there is one married to a Jane living in Woodstock in 1871
but cant find marriage for them ::)
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Hi All,
This getting dangerously close to the Norris brickwall... How fantastic that would be, if we came in sideways to that!!
Sarah Line(b1747 Deddington)
~mother of Sarah Ash(1769 Islip)
~who married(1791 Islip)
~William Norris/Norrice( c1766 Woodeaton/Mixbury)
~s/o ??Joseph Norris and Jane Basset??
There was another Deddington person mentioned it here. Must look later :)
Thank you.
Les
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From OMI....
28 May 1828 Charles Gubbins to Mary Ryman at Wootten ( think this is George's parents )
29 Aug 1825 David Henry Gubbins to Elizabeth Bishop at Wootten
31 Jul 1831 Daniel Gubbins to Eliza Bishop at Wootten
This hunt started with Jane Bishop :)
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Cannot keep up !!!
While ploughing through the Hedges I came across this and initially did not send it - but you may like it for the record
Baptism(Wootton)
12 Oct 1851
Twins-Killingworth & Ellen HEDGES s&d of John & Mary Ann lab........dead
Kim
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Sue
The GUBBINS are a massive Oxfordshire family as you probably know and the LINES are equally big. I have a very large number of those in my tree and x referring George it could be one of 2 buttttttt
I am loosing the plot of where this hunt is going, what is being looked for and like Kim am struggling to keep up. I want to as there are so many X overs into my tree.
Sadly I have also been frustrated by the internet having being turned off all day till now - BT god bless 'em - I expect they needed practice doing some wiring some where nearby!!
So can we have a bit of a refresh Les about what we are looking for please so I keep a bit of my sanity?
Nigel
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Hello All,
2 trips to the nurse and doc.. have a script for AB's just in case it starts 'tracking' :-\
I'll get this info tree'd up ASAP.
The spouse's and the witnesses for marriages of the direct Killingworth's would be good.
Jane Bishop was 1st spouse M-1824
Martha Lee M-1785
William Hedges M-1739
Margaret Norris M-1709
Silence Harris M- can't see this one.
Link bk to 1st tree on page 6
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,604937.msg4545642.html#msg4545642
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Who did Elizabeth Killingworth 1724.. marry ?James Perry/Isaac Parry..??
there's this..
Richard Chillingworth & Rebecca Perry
15 Jan 1735-1736
St Andrew, Holborn, London
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The witnessess at the marriage of Killingworth & Jane 1824--were Thomas Bishop & Martha Bishop
No witnessess are entered for Killingworth & Silence 1682
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Wits for Jane Bishop marriage... looking into Martha (the wit) Sue found no marriage so searched Thomas (other wit) and found this on OMI....
18 Oct 1824 Thomas Bishop, w, to Martha Stone at Wolvercote
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Has anyone found Benjamin Hedges birth plz, s/o William & Catherine. It should be 1760-1765 ish.
I've found 2 x marriages, not sure abt the 2nd... maybe both??
Benjamin Hedges & Martha Lee
10 Jan 1785 Saint Giles,Oxford
Benjamin Hedges & Ann Smith
9 Apr 1792 Saint Giles,Oxford.
We have death for Martha Hedges in Wootton 1835 aged 69.
Thank you,
Les
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Needed.. Parents/G Parents for Jane Bishop b 1792 Wootton and Edmund Stone b 1824 Wootton.
Thank you
Les
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Hi Les
Baptism (Wootton)
01 Apr 1792-Jane BISHOP d Thomas & Anne
Banns at Wootton January 1790
Thomas BISHOP & Anne EGLESTONE Steeple Barton
Baptism (Wootton)
12 Oct 1823-Edmund STONE s James & Ann
Cannot see a marriage for James & Ann at Wootton-may be worth looking at Long Combe as there are other Stone marriages there
Kim
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There are BISHOP and STONE baptisms at Wootton but the only Thomas is this one:-
25 Sept 1774-Thomas Lee BISHOP s Thomas Lee & Sarah
- ? too young to marry c 1790
I can see nothing for a James STONE
Kim
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ooops-sorry folks forgot to put Benjamin in
14 Aug 1763-Benjamin HEDGES s William & Catherine (Wootton)
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From Steeple Barton PRs... marriage Kim found...
6 Feb 1790 Thomas Bishop to Ann Egglestone
Wits... Wm Standley, Wm Stevenson
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Thanks Kim & Sue for those dates. Share Ben's b'day too!!
Is there anything for Ben's wife Martha Lee b c1760. She might just tie those pieces together.
( from Kim...25 Sept 1774-Thomas Lee BISHOP s Thomas Lee & Sarah
- ? too young to marry c 1790)
Les
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Martha LEE was baptised 07 Nov 1765 (Wootton) d Richard & Mary
Marriage 24 September 1756
Richard LEE wid
Mary HUBORN (signs HUBAND)
Wit=John Hudson/Richard Huband
Richard was married in 1737 to Millicent BATSFORD who died in 1754 with an infant Elizabeth
They had a Thomas baptised 26 Dec 1745 - that is the only Thomas Lee baptism at Wootton around the right time
Kim
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hmmmmm.....had a look at a tree on A******y and they have Martha bapt 1769
Checked..and there is a baptism for a Martha Lee 22 Mar 1769 d Richard & Mary but I cannot find a death for a Martha Lee between 1765 and 1769.
They have her marrying in 1785 but she would have been barely 16 if born in 1769 ?
I suspect an error that only a check of the actual register will solve
Kim
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Hi Kim,
You're doing a great job. Thanx.
I wonder if this is a place where the baptism is a lot later than the actual birth date. Seems to be several places in Oxford/Bucks this happens.
Might be Susannah Lee and Martha, Thomas are all linked.. ;)
Is it a bit of a coincidence ? what do you think?
Les
Added... Susannah was d/o Richard and Mary (from earlier post)
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...Wahooo... Wit.. John Hudson marries the daughter Jane Lee 3 Jan 1757 Wootton.
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:D Thank you, Sue, Debbie, Kim and Nigel for all your efforts.
Hoping this will encourage some more 'hunts' to start. They are such a great resource finder...
Cheerio, Les.
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Some fabulous information come out, Lesanne........... you should have that line complete now......... ;) ;) ;) ;D
Barbara
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I have another Scavenger Hunt for you......... it involves......... Rhubarb and Tobacco leaves!!!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,606997.0.html
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
As usual, this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.
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Hi
I've only recently discovered this site and specifically this "Hunt"
I am fairly sure of my tree as shown, although a cousin has it going back to further to William Hedges (1593-1655)
I am trying to verify things as I go but there are many more ancestors than I realised!
William Hedges (1713-1767) married Catherine Killingworth their son
Thomas Hedges (1760-1833) married Susannah Lee who had a son
Killingworth Hedges (1811-1858) and Elizabeth Higgins were the parents of
Killingworth Hedges (1850-1915) who married Ellen Ewing, their son
Robert Killingworth Hedges (1879-1958) married Maude Osborne they were the parents of my father Kenneth Malcolm Hedges.
I could do with a very large piece of paper showing all of it which I think I would cope with better, I do have lots of old bits and pieces largely found by my brother 20 plus years ago this includes some copies of wills etc.
I would be grateful if anyone has a tree that I can view that would allow me to see visually the various links.
Lesanne suggested this might be a good place to post.
As mentioned I am relatively new to this so would be grateful for any help.
Regards