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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: minto77 on Tuesday 03 July 12 14:59 BST (UK)
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Looking for any information on Arthur Elliot Bell and John Hogg Bell born in Hawick sons of Arthur Bell and Helen Hogg moved to Callander early 1900s Arthur Elliot died in 1959 at Bridge of Allan.
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Hi
Can you include birthyears for the boys please?
When did Arthur and Helen marry
If all events were after 1901 - have you checked the 1911 census which is available on a pay per view basis from Scotlands People
The 1901 has a Bell family in Callander but father was James although mother was Helen. Helen was born in Hawick
However - son Arthur Bell aged 13 was born in England although John 12 was b Hawick
Did they have sisters called Janet & Margaret?
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Hi all ,
Scotlandspeople has a marriage for James Bell and Helen Hogg 1886 Hawick Roxburgh
Can't see a marriage for Arthur Bell / Helen Hogg in Scotland
FreeBMD has an Arthur Elliot Bell birth 3rd Quarter 1887 Newcastle T.
That might tie in with everything Carole has found
ev
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Hi CaroleW and ev Thanks for reply.
You picked the correct family in census ie James Bell and Helen Hogg married 12 Dec 1886. Moved to England then Callender two sons Arthur Elliot Bell and John Hogg Bell born 1887 and 1888/9.
I have all the Birth, Marriage and death for Arthur Elliot Bell but I can onkly find birth records for John Hogg Bell. What I realy need is details of any children of these two brothers.
As regards sisters I have no record of any. However Janet was a family name being the name of James Bells Mother. On the family gravestone in Hawick there is a Margaret (Maggie) who I assumed died in infancy since the date of late 1886/8 I never found out who she was as no record exists on James elder brother(Also Arthur Bell) family. Janet however is News to me and Margaret possibly.
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This is the 1901 entry I mentioned
James Bell 39 gas manager b Teviothead Parish, Roxburghshire
Helen 37 b Hawick, Roxburghshire
Arthur 13 b England
John 12 b Hawick
Janet 7 ditto
Margaret H 4 ditto
Callander ED 1 Page 9 Line 3
Have you checked the 1911 census to see whether John was single or married at that time? Was Arthur married before 1911?
Tracing any children of Arthur & John post 1911 may be difficult as I understand SP does not allow a birth search using mothers maiden name which would help to narrow it down
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Hi again CaroleW Thanks again ...I missed the two sisters since 1901 census covers two pages. This a great help however every question answered raises more. The Margaret(Maggie) on the Hawick gravestone is not the daughter of James Bell so I still dont know who she was. Nevertheless your info is of great assistance.
For the record Arthur, John Janet and Margaret are a cousins to my father (also an Arthur Elliot Bell) Yet I know nothing about them except a few dates ie BMD. I will keep looking Thanks again.
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Hi
Not sure if you are still researching this but came across your post while doing a wee internet search for my grandfather John Hogg Bell. I know he had a brother Arthur and came from Callender so I'm thinking its the same person.
John moved to Northern Ireland to manage a gas works and married Hester Haughey. They had five sons, the youngest of which is my Dad. The sons are Hector Patterson Bell, James Hogg Bell, John Lucas Bell, Anthony Haughey Bell, and Desmond Martin Bell.
I'm not sure of dates or anything, but i'm sure my dad will know more if you are interested.
Hope this helps.
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Thank you for the info re John Hogg Bell This is perfect if you can provide any dates of Birth Marriage or death this would be very very helpful . I have search for him for some time.
Any info re his Brothers or sister. I have all the info on Arthur Elliot Bell Johns brother.
Johns father (James Bell) was my grandfathers brother.
My grandfather was Arthur Elliot Bell
My father was Arthur Elliot Bell
I am Arthur Elliot Bell
My son is Arthur Elliot Bell
His son is also Arthur Elliot Bell
Again your info is great. If you can fill in any gaps this would brill
In return if you require any information let me know
Regards Minto77
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Had a quick chat with my dad and i've emailed him for the details requested. Will get back in touch asap.
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Hi
So my Dad was able to provide the following:
John Hogg Bell dob 25 March 1889, married Hessie Haughey 10 December 1920, Died Feb 1955 (my dad was 10 at the time and uncertain of the exact date of death but will check next time he's at the grave).
Janet (Nettie) - was a teacher, died in her 40s
Margaret (Peggy) - married a McGregor, had one daughter Helen McGregor (never married, now deceased), lived in Crieff
thinks there was a fifth child who died in infancy.
My dad mentioned he had heard of Elliots who were butchers..... would that be a connection to yourself?
Hope this helps....
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Thanks very much for this extra information it has been a great help.
I have completed a number of searches bases on your info with great results. I have a full family history on ancestry.com if you are interested.
I have full results on John Hog Bell and his brothers and sister with the exception of James Bell (Dob 1901). You said that he died in infancy but he appears on the 1911 census aged 9.
I have discovered a number of new family members including second cousins (once removed)
Thanks again for this new information
Regards Minto77 (Arthur Elliot Bell)