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Title: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Thursday 05 July 12 14:25 BST (UK)
Hi,
I'm looking for information on members of the Elder family who were originally from Londonderry possibly  a place called Drumachose. My connection is John Elder who married Anna Rodden in August 1863, there children were,
Martha Jane
Rebecca
Anna who married Thomas Rodgers, my husbands grandfather in 1893
Lizzie
John
Mary
Robert
Hessy
I would appreciate any information,
Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Thursday 05 July 12 14:43 BST (UK)
I've just found Johns daughters death
Martha Jane Campbell 5 March 1921, Toronto, Ontario
Rebecca Elder, 31 July, 1937, Toronto, Ontario

Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 05 July 12 22:04 BST (UK)
Some birthdates for the children might make them easier to find in Canadian records- see www.familysearch.org

Moved around County Londonderry-
Martha Jane born 6 June 1864 Newtownlimavady district (page 923 in civil register)
Rebecca born 8 Apr.1867 Glendermot district
Robert born 13 Aug.1868 Kilderry
Anna born 7 JUly 1870 Kilderry
Hessy born 11 Apr.18671874 Coleraine district (page 596 in civil register).

Also one in Belfast area-
John born 28 May 1879 Belfast district
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: JDC on Thursday 05 July 12 22:41 BST (UK)

1911 Canadian census

Household head: John Elder,  Male, Married, 31 yrs old, born in Oct 1887 in Scotland
Spouse: Annie Elder
Immigrated: 1890
Census info: Ontario District - Leeds, District - 91, Sub-District - Leeds, Lansdowne Front, Sub-District # - 13

Household Members:
John Elder 31
Annie Elder 27
Jessie M Elder 3
Annie C Elder 2
 
I am wondering if this family is part of yours?

JDC
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 05 July 12 22:52 BST (UK)
That family unlikely to be the correct one. Son John Elder was born 1879 in Belfast not 1887 in Scotland.
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Thursday 05 July 12 23:46 BST (UK)
Thanks JDC, this isn't my John Elder.
However I did find on familysearch a tree of Martha Jane Elder, that gave details of a Samuel Elder who died in Vancouver 1946 and a John Henry Elder who died in 1968 in Vancouver.
They must be some connection to my John and Annie Elder, who both died in Northern Ireland.
Martha Jane Elder was widowed before the 1901 census and on the 1911 census her sister Rebecca was living with her and 3 of her 4 children.
Her son John Campbell b 1887 wasn't on it and I'm wondering had he emigrated to Canada.
Thank you for your help, Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Wednesday 08 May 13 23:34 BST (UK)
Having another go at finding members of the Elder family who moved to Canada from Limavady in Ireland.

Rebecca Elder born 20.8.1883 in Limavady married John Morrow from Limavady in Victoria 3.10.1907

Who did Rebecca travel with etc.

Any info would be much appreciated, Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: valeriec on Thursday 09 May 13 03:34 BST (UK)
www.deathindexes.com/canada.html
British Columbia Archives Genealogy Search - Royal BC Museum

You can view the registration for the marriage between John Morrow and Ruby (not Rebecca) Elder
Oct 3, 1907
John Morrow
age 28, b. Ireland, carpenter
Residence - Vancouver, BC
parents - Henry and Mary Morrow

Ruby Elder
age 22, b. Ireland
Residence - Vancouver, BC
Parents - Thomas and Hannah Elder
Witnesses - John Elder, Vancouver and Susie Lindsay, Victoria
Place of marriage - 120B Dallas Road, Victoria, BC

You can check this site for other BMD's and may find something for your family.

You can also check the 1901 and 1911 census for free at Automated Genealogy and view the original documents through the split screen/view option.
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 09 May 13 08:50 BST (UK)
Here's the link to view 1901 and 1911 Canadian census- www.automatedgenealogy.com

In Northern Ireland Ruby is often used as another form of Rebecca.
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Thursday 09 May 13 08:51 BST (UK)
There is a death for Rebecca Morrow, widow of John Morrow whose parents were Thomas Elder and Hannah Hunter in Richmond, BC on 9 Mar 1972.

I'm a little confused by where this Rebecca fits. You said you found a death for the Rebecca who was the daughter of John and Annie and she was 10 years older than the Rebecca who married John Morrow.

Jacquie
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 09 May 13 08:55 BST (UK)
Forgot to mention that I think last night I came across that Rebecca Elder going to Canada but she was born c1886.

Parents of this Rebecca Elder were likely Thomas Elder & Hannah Hunter.
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Thursday 09 May 13 09:18 BST (UK)
However I did find on familysearch a tree of Martha Jane Elder, that gave details of a Samuel Elder who died in Vancouver 1946 and a John Henry Elder who died in 1968 in Vancouver.

According to the death registation for Samuel Elder who died 7 Aug 1946, his parents were Thomas Elder and Sarah Perry.

The John Henry Elder who died in Vancouver on  16 Oct 1968 was the son of Thomas Elder and Hannah Hunter.

How are these people connected to the family you are looking for? Are you looking for the children of John Elder and Anna Rodden or any Elder who may be connected to them? Do you think all of John and Anna's children emigrated or just some?

By the way, when you refer to the 1901 and 1911 census it is helpful if you also say what country's census. If you don't many will assume you are referring to the Canada census since this is the Canada forum.

Jacquie
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Thursday 09 May 13 15:43 BST (UK)
Many thanks Valeriec and Jacquie, thank you for your information.

I've looked up the family on Familysearch and my John Elder and Anna Rodden are on it! So there has to be a connection somewhere....
John and Anna's daughter Martha Jane was widowed quite young and she brought up their 4 children on her own..
John Campbell born 19.7.1887 Ireland and died 18.6.1965 in Vancouver
I'm assuming her other 3 children left for Canada as well as Martha died in Toronto in 1921 and her sister Rebecca Elder died in 1937 in Toronto. The family were on the Ireland Census in 1911 Belfast, so they must have left after that.....
Again, because of the same names running through these families, I definately think there is a connection..

Once again I appreciate all your help,
Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: valeriec on Thursday 09 May 13 17:37 BST (UK)
A couple of notes and observations

I stressed that Ruby not Rebecca was used on the marriage registration to make it easier to search for the information as the original registrations can be viewed as well as transcriptions. Soemtimes, we gain more information that way.

I think you may be dealing with two siblings, John b. about 1841 and Thomas born about 1849. They seem to both originate in the Limavaddy area and have reused the same forenames over and over again. That is a common naming practice in both Ireland and Scotland.

If you look at deaths at Family Search, you will note that the name Thomas Elder is prevalent in the early 1800's so that could also be the name of the father of John and Thomas. Totally speculation but something to keep in mind when looking for information.

Looking at the family of Thomas Elder and Hannah Hunter/Sarah Perry

1901 Census of Ireland
Londonderry
Limavaddy
61 Main St.
Thomas Elder age 52, widower
sons William age 28, Joseph age 24, Thomas P age 24, Fredrick G P age 12, Samuel age 11.
Would appear to have large gap between Thomas and Fredrick so could be children from different mothers.
70 Irish Green St.
John H. Elder, age 13, brother in law, in the household of Robert Kerr
6 Kennaught
Rebecca Elder, age 16, sister in law, in the household of Samuel Wark.
I think this is the Rebecca/Ruby who married John Morrow
Irish Green St.
John Morrow, age 21

1901 Census of Ireland
Antrim
St. Georges Ward, Belfast
161 Donegall Road
John Elder, head of family, age 60, widower
Lizzie Elder, daughter, age 26
Rebecca Elder, daughter, age 33
Matha Campbell, daughter, age 36, widow
John Campbell, grandson, age 13
George Campbell, grandson, age 11
Robert Campbell, grandson, age 8
Wilhelmina, granddaughter, age 5
1911 census, same address has Martha, George, Robert, Wilhelmina, Rebecca Elder. I wasn't able to find John in the census so it doeslook like he moved on between 1901 and 1911. He would be born roughly 1888/89 so may have enlisted in the First World War. You can check for Attestation Papers for Canadian soldiers at
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: valeriec on Thursday 09 May 13 17:48 BST (UK)
http://automatedgenealogy.com
Census of Canada
British Columbia/Vancouver
Morrow, John, b. Oct 1879, imm 1906, carpenter
Rubbia, b. Jul 1876, imm. 1907
The original looks like born in 1886 which would make her 25 which is in line with her marriage registration.
Margret, daughter, b. Aug 1908
Johns, son, b. Feb 1910
both were born in BC, Johns on the original looks like John S.
Elder, John, brother, b. Mar 1889, imm 1907, machinist
Elder, Fladrean ?, brother, b. Jul 1890, imm 1907
Elder, Samuel, brother, b. Aug 1893, imm 1907
Fladrean on the original could be a version of Fredrick or Robert but Rebecca appears to have a brother Fredrick that would have been born around 1890

marriage
Samuel Elder, June 1926, Vancouver
Mabel Wesley
Samuel lists his parents as Thomas Elder and Hannah Hunter

On his death registration, his wife Mabel is the informant and lists his parents as Thomas Elder and Sarah Perry.


Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Thursday 09 May 13 20:32 BST (UK)
Once again many thanks!
I think you're right about John and Thomas being brothers.....John is my husbands Great grandfather and I've been stuck on it for a bit, so it's great to get moving again.
The information you put up about the census in Ireland....my Anna Roddens father was a blacksmith in Irish Green Street, so I definately think they are all connected and living in and around that area.
How exciting, this is what is so great about Rootschat, people are very generous with their time and expertise!

Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Friday 10 May 13 01:59 BST (UK)
I've looked up the family on Familysearch and my John Elder and Anna Rodden are on it! So there has to be a connection somewhere....

If you are referring to family trees posted at Family Search that isn't necessarily true. There are a lot of trees on the web that have mistakes or are flat out wrong. There are too many unsourced trees being used as source information by others as well. Biggest mistake I ever made was accepting information from a tree without verifying it. I also have sent out countless messages and emails to others politely asking them to correct their trees (I always provide proof when I do that) when I see mistakes.

Jacquie
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: cosmac on Friday 10 May 13 03:14 BST (UK)
Death of Martha Campbell d/o John Elder and Annie Rodden, born Derry, d. March 5, 1921 at Toronto, Ontario age 52.  Son Robert Campbell was informant

Elizabeth Elder, 32, presbyterian of 385 Dupont St. Toronto, d/o John Elder and Annie Rodden married 05 July 1910 at Toronto, Ontario to John Hutchinson, 30, carpenter s/o James Hutchinson and Jemima Rennie.  This couple is on the 1911 Canadian census in Toronto and Elizabeth shows a birth of Mar 1879 and an immigration year of 1910.

Death of Rebecca Elder of 1155 King St. W. Toronto, Ontario.  She was single, b. April 8, 1872 Ireland and death at age 65.  D. July 31, 1937 at Toronto.  She had been employed as a matron at the Mercer Reformatory.  d/o of John Elder and Annie Rodden.  Informant was Mr. J. Hutchinson, brother-in-law of 652 Ossington Ave., Toronto.  Burial at Prospect Cemetery (Toronto).

It seems that your Elders had a strong tie to Toronto.  The pay site (modestly priced) of the archived Toronto Star newspaper - Pages of the Past - might be of value to you.
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: cosmac on Friday 10 May 13 03:23 BST (UK)
Thee is a death Apr-Jun 1879 Belfast for a 5 year old Hessy Elder
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 10 May 13 08:45 BST (UK)
Thee is a death Apr-Jun 1879 Belfast for a 5 year old Hessy Elder

Belfast City Cemetery- Hesse Elder, age 5, 71 Hilland St., died 13 Apr.1879 (buried in Public Ground so no way to identify relatives).
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx

Hessy Elder, born 11 Apr.1874 Coleraine registration district (page 596 in register)- parents John Elder & Annie Rodden
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5KQ-J8V

The family were in Belfast in 1879- John Elder born 28 May 1879 Belfast- parents John Elder & Annie Rodden
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGJ7-FKM
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 10 May 13 09:51 BST (UK)
A bit more information to sort out the family.

Belfast City Cemetery (same plot)-
Mrs Annie Elder, 77 Hilland St., age 38, died 23 May 1881
Miss Mary Elder, 43 Blythe St., age 14, died 19 Mar.1893
Robert Elder, 40 Blythe St., age 24, died 11 Feb.1896
John Elder, 161 Donegall Rd., age 62, died 29 Mar.1903

Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Friday 10 May 13 10:20 BST (UK)
Thank you to everyone who has moved my research on, again everyone is so generous with their time and expertise......
Cosmac your information has really thrown light on just how many of John Elders children and g/children left Ireland.
I'll take your advice re newspaper subscription....
Thank you,
Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 10 May 13 10:30 BST (UK)
The children of John Elder & Annie Rodden seem to all be accounted for now- except for John- although they seem to have a nasty habit of being terribly inconsitent with their ages  :-\

Martha Jane married Campbell & died in Toronto
Rebecca died in Toronto
Anna who married Thomas Rodgers, my husbands grandfather in 1893
Lizzie/Elizabeth went to Canada & married Hutchinson
John
Mary died Belfast
Robert died Belfast
Hessy died Belfast
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Friday 10 May 13 10:39 BST (UK)
Thank you Aghadowey!
John died in 1879 and is buried in public ground, he was living in Hilland Street at the time.
This research explains so much for my husband...

Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Janice M on Wednesday 22 May 13 15:36 BST (UK)
Hi Betty
My Elder family is from Northern Ireland as well. The names of John, Thomas, Annie, Martha, and Robert, come up on a regular basis.
My great-great grandparents were John Elder and Margaret Stewart. They were married in 1842 in Ballymena, Antrim. The children I have found so far are John, Robert, Joseph, Isaac ,Thomas and Annie. (Thomas was my great-grandfather).
Annie married Henry Smyth, in 1882, and one of the witnesses was a "Martha Elder". I believe Martha to be Annie's sister, but have never found any proof of this so far. (Therefore, I don't list her as one of John and Margaret's children).

Wheww - now to get to my point...
I know they travelled to Scotland, where some of my family settled, as well as the U.S., Canada, and Australia. I also believe that they travelled within Northern Ireland. I have long had the belief, that quite a few of the Elder's in Northern Ireland are related, as they seem to use the same names over and over. Also, the farm where my family lived in the Ballymena area, was given the name of Burnfoot. I have come across other Elder's, whose family came from "Burnfoot, Donegal". I keep in touch with them, just in case we can make a connection.

I am going through information that I have gathered over the years, to see if I can find anything that might connect to you. I know that I have seen the names of John Elder and Annie Rodden on many of my searches. I will check to see if I have anything that may help you.

I do know that I have a spare certificate from Milton, Glasgow, that shows a 1902 birth of a Thomas Elder whose parents were William White Roden Elder, and Margaret Beveridge McTaggart. (I have no idea if they could be related to you, but wanted to let you know that if you want a copy, just send me a "personal message", with your email and I will forward that on to you.

Janice

Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Janice M on Wednesday 22 May 13 16:57 BST (UK)
I forgot to mention this,
If you are related to the above William Roden Elder and Margaret McTaggart, I know they were married in Anderston, Glasgow, on July 14th, 1899. Unfortunately, I do not have that certificate. (Their marriage is stated on the birth of their son).
I also know that Margaret died in Milton, Glasgow, in 1963 at the age of 82.
William White Roden Elder died in Milton, Glasgow, in 1957 at the age of 78.
(Again, I don't have these certificates, but did a quick search of ScotlandsPeople)

It is true about not trusting everything on Ancestry, as someone used a photograph of my great grandmother, and said it was my great great grandmother. I know differently, as I have the original photo with my uncle standing beside her. (lol) With that being said, you can still find quite a bit of information that will be useful, even if someone else got it wrong. One person had my grandfather's aunt and uncle as being married in Ireland, when they were actually married in Glasgow, (again I have the certificate). They also had the parents of the wife (my grandfather's aunt) completely wrong. It took showing them the marriage certificate, and their passenger list, along with her brother's passenger list before they realized that they were wrong.

Janice
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Wednesday 22 May 13 23:48 BST (UK)
Hi Janice
Thank you so much for contacting me! I was at the Generals Record Office in Belfast on Monday, if only I had heard from you before then I could have done some research for you!
Part of the problem is that there are so many Johns, Annie's etc and so many Elders!
I know that the father of my John Elder is also John and according to the marriage cert, John is a servant and on 1901 census he was a coachman, his father was a labourer.
So far I haven't been able to find my Johns birth etc.,
If I can look up any information for you, please let me know.

Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Plumcrazyjohn on Saturday 13 May 17 23:32 BST (UK)
Rebecca Morrow (nee. Elder) is my grandmother. Her parents were Thomas and Hannah Elder.  She married my grandfather, John Morrow, Oct. 3, 1907.
Children: (my aunts, uncle and father) all lived in Richmond BC
Margaret Hannah Morrow (Rita)
John Elder Morrow (Jack, my father) Born Feb. 3, 1910.
Mary Elizabeth Morrow (Molly)
Ruby Morrow
James Morrow (Jim)
She had three siblings that I know of (my great uncles)
Johnny
Freddy
Sammy - Married to Mable Wesley
John Morrow immigrated to Richmond (Lulu Island) B.C. Canada in 1906 and my grandmother Rebecca, aka as Ruby followed in 1907 after he established himself.  I knew my grandmother as Ruby and did not find that her birthname was Rebecca till I visited her grave years after her death. I was her first grandchild. She continues to be the biggest influence in my life. She was a remarkable woman. She had eight grandchildren.
John Kingsley Morrow (born 1938)
Anyone who can add to this please do.
 
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Plumcrazyjohn on Sunday 14 May 17 17:39 BST (UK)
I knew both my great uncles Johnny and Freddy who lived in Richmond BC where I grew up. My great uncle Sammy died before I was old enough to know him, but I knew his wife Mable and their three children very well. The youngest I knew as cousin Marie who was actually my dads cousin. Marie was just a bit older than me and I always had a crush on her while growing up. Mable was from around Prince Rupert BC. She raised her three children in New Westminster, BC where she was a furrier.

John
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 14 May 17 17:54 BST (UK)
Not sure what sort of information you are looking for but Rebecca Elder was born 1883 in Limavady-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02728/2003379.pdf
Ruby is a common nickname for Rebecca in the area.
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Plumcrazyjohn on Sunday 14 May 17 18:58 BST (UK)
I just found more (I really have to get all these notes together).

My great-great grandparents.
Thomas Elder - 1800-1883
Rebecca Perry - 1809-1882

My great grandparents. Married 1871 maybe ?
Thomas Perry Elder - 1847-1929 (boot maker) Limivady
Hannah Robinson? d.1870 Maybe first wife?
Hannah Hunter - d.1898? born in Scotland
Apparently there were eleven children. Sammy, Johnny, Freddy, Rebecca, Joseph, Maggie(Margaret), Sarah Warke and Thomas are the only ones I can identify.

My grand parents.
John Morrow - 1879-1947 ( carpenter-cabinet maker-farmer)
Rebecca Morrow (nee Elder aka Ruby) -1883-1972 Apparently Hannah Elder(nee)Hunter was her stepmother maybe?

My parents.
John (Jack) Elder Morrow - 1910-1997
Ida Lorena Morrow (nee Varty) - 1914-1989

This is mostly word of mouth I have made notes on at family gatherings over the years. Too bad I wasn't interested in this stuff back when they were all still alive!

John Kingsley Morrow
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 14 May 17 19:19 BST (UK)
We aren't allowed to post details of living people so you'll need to go back and delete some of the details on your post- it's explained under Posting Guidelines in Help pages (link at top of page).

Rebecca's mother was Hannah Hunter as is written on her birth records (link I posted earlier)

Will have a look at a few things and post more details
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Plumcrazyjohn on Sunday 14 May 17 19:51 BST (UK)
Thanks  aghadowey.  Done ]and I'll be more careful in future.
John
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 14 May 17 20:22 BST (UK)
A bit more for your family tree-

A Hannah Elder age 22 died 1870 Newtownlimavady
Hannah (Hunter) Elder died 1898 age 49- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05816/4646625.pdf
Children of Thomas & Hannah (Hunter) Elder-
1. William Elder (1872) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03240/2187423.pdf
2. Margaret Elder (1874)- mother Hanna Hunter https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03165/2161303.pdf
3. Joseph Hunter Elder (1876)- mother Anna Hunter https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03061/2122135.pdf
4. Thomas Perry Elder (1876)- mother Anna Hunter https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03061/2122135.pdf
5. Hannah Ball Elder (1877-1878) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02991/2096175.pdf
6. Sarah Elder (1879) m.(1900) Samuel Warke, baker
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02911/2066607.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10333/5761966.pdf
7. Henry Martin Elder (1881-1882) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02809/2030686.pdf
8. Rebecca Elder (1883)
9. John Henry Elder (1886) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02618/1966436.pdf
10. Frederick George Patterson Elder (1888) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02509/1930292.pdf
11. Samuel Elder (1890) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02446/1909658.pdf

Children of Samuel Warke & Sarah Elder- could be more born after 1916
1. Sarah Warke (1900) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02000/1769257.pdf
2. Hannah Elder Warke (1901) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01947/1752494.pdf
3. Thomas Elder Warke (1902) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01904/1739018.pdf
4. Mary Lancey Warke (1904) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01843/1719078.pdf
5. William Warke (1905) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01788/1702178.pdf
6. Rebecca Elder Warke (1907) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01691/1671634.pdf
7. Catherine Warke (1909) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01606/1644840.pdf
8. James Kilroe Warke (1914) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01425/1584896.pdf
9. Herbert Wilkinson Warke (1915) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01382/1568436.pdf
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 14 May 17 21:33 BST (UK)
Have added a bit more for you-

1911 census says 8 children/6 living
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Limavady_Urban/Irish_Green_Street/597003

Children of Samuel Warke & Sarah Elder- could be more born after 1916
1. Sarah Warke (1900) Cissie https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02000/1769257.pdf
2. Hannah Elder Warke (1901-1908) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01947/1752494.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05482/4535221.pdf
3. Thomas Elder Warke (1902-aft.1911) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01904/1739018.pdf
4. Mary Lancey Warke (1904-1908) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01843/1719078.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05482/4535222.pdf
5. William Warke (1905-aft.1911) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01788/1702178.pdf
6. Rebecca Elder Warke (1907-aft.1911) Ruby https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01691/1671634.pdf
7. Catherine Warke (1909-aft.1911) Kathleen https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01606/1644840.pdf
8. Louis Warke haven't found his birth yet
9. James Kilroe Warke (1914) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01425/1584896.pdf
10. Herbert Wilkinson Warke (1915) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01382/1568436.pdf

Warke household in 1901 with Sarah's sister Rebecca Elder-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Limavaddy/Kennaught/1526037

An online tree here-
https://www.geni.com/people/Samuel-Warke/6000000033005450814
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Plumcrazyjohn on Monday 15 May 17 18:08 BST (UK)
"Warke household in 1901 with Sarah's sister Rebecca Elder"

This is getting interesting! I remember, back when I was 14 or 15, relatives visiting the Morrows in Richmond BC.  They were the Louis Warke family with a son close to my age. I believe they were from somewhere in the USA and belonged to the same religious affiliation (Brethren) as my parents and grandparents. The services were always held in "Gospel Halls". I had never realized they were from the Elder side.

John
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Plumcrazyjohn on Monday 15 May 17 20:45 BST (UK)
aghadowey

"Louis Warke"
This may be your "Louis Warke"
Joseph Lewis Warke (wife Greta)
"The Warke family immigrated to Canada in 1948 landing on Pier 21 in Halifax. They then went to Inverness Quebec, then to Manitoba ,then to Alberta. They actually had 6 children. 4 came over from Ireland with them (Gibson, Lewis, Alberta, Brenda) and 2 were born in Canada Ronald and Trevor. Joseph Lewis Warke and Greta (Mayretta was her full name) were in the ministry. He came as a Presbyterian missionary and then became a Baptist minister."
I found this here.  http://elder-mcgilligan.com/elder/thomas-elder-1896/
Lewis Warke would have been my dads cousin and my second cousin.
John
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 16 May 17 09:29 BST (UK)
Birth- Joseph Lewis Wark 11 Oct.1910-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01553/1628028.pdf

A Samuel Perry Elder, son of Samuel Elder & Martha Linton, born 1892 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02329/1871975.pdf
Marriage of Samuel (son of Samuel) & Martha https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10773/5929123.pdf
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Elderwilson on Monday 22 May 17 14:35 BST (UK)
Hi The William White Roden Elder and  Margaret McTaggart were my grandparents on my Fathers side His name was David Elder and he was born in Anderston, Glasgow. I was called Eliza McLaren Elder after my Aunt Eliza McLaren and one of my sisters is called Margaret Beveridge Elder after my grandmother. My brother is called David McTaggart Elder. I also know that there was Aunt May and Martha, Uncle Robert, I remember John McLaren too. I had a cousin Rebecca probably a few names that I could also mention. So nice to read this post. I was looking into our family tree quite a few years ago and never followed it very far must take it up again. Thanks
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Janice M on Tuesday 23 May 17 04:30 BST (UK)
Write another post, and then message me. I have not found a connection with our families as of yet, but there still could be.

I do have something that I ccan share with you.

Janice
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Elderwilson on Tuesday 23 May 17 08:42 BST (UK)
HI Janice,
Thanks for your reply not sure how to message you as I am new to this Perhaps you could explain how to do that.

Regards Liz
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Tuesday 23 May 17 09:14 BST (UK)
HI Janice,
Thanks for your reply not sure how to message you as I am new to this Perhaps you could explain how to do that.

Regards Liz

This will explain how to use it:
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php (http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php)

Jacquie
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Heatbetr on Friday 08 March 19 09:25 GMT (UK)
Hopefully a helpful update. My father Robert Kerr Warke born 21/10/1922 was the last child born to Samuel Wark e and Sarah Elder. They left Limavady to Live in Belfast where dad was born. He died in Bournemouth Jan 2012. Lewis Wark e emigrated to Canada where he was a minister. Edmonton I believe. His surviving children still live in Canada. Don't know a lot about the Elders however do have a photo of Sarah (Eld er) Wark e my grandmothe r.
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Friday 08 March 19 19:13 GMT (UK)
Hi
Thank you so much for this information, I will definitely look into this and get back to you.
The Elders are my husbands family, funnily enough, my maiden name is Kerr!

Betty
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Peter Carson on Sunday 05 July 20 14:31 BST (UK)
Hi

My grandad was also called William White Roden Elder, but he was born in 1914 and his father was Robert Elder. On is birth certificate is shows his mother as a Elizabeth Hawley and that she was married to a Robert Rogan(Regan) but had not lived with him for 13 years and he was not the father. There are only 2 other pieces of information that I have found a census from 1911 of Robert and Elizabeth together and sadly the death of Elizabeth's daughter in 1903 at age 2 months.

Hoping someone could help, I wonder if there is a link as the name isn't a common one.

Thanks
Peter
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 05 July 20 22:25 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat  :)

Not sure where your Robert Elder would fit in  :-\

John Elder married (1863) Ann Rodden- originally from Co. Londonderry but moved to Glasgow and eventually many of the family went to Canada,
Their son Robert born 1868 but died 1896 in Belfast so he can't be your grandfather's father.

You've probably read through this entire thread before posting but take special note of replies #24, #25, #38.
It's possible that others who have posted here previously will respond and may by now have more family details.
Title: Re: Elder family originally from Londonderry, ireland
Post by: Trevbet on Monday 06 July 20 11:47 BST (UK)
Thank you, I will look into this again.

Betty