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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kerry => Topic started by: Woodford87 on Sunday 08 July 12 15:56 BST (UK)
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I would be grateful for any help locating my great great grandfather's family from the Portmagee area. His name was John Keane and was born circa 1825 in the Ferry/Doory/Portmagee area. I think his father was also John as I found him in the 1834 census in the area. I cannot find any possible siblings for John or his mother's name. My great great grandfather married Mary Murphy circa 1850. She may have come from Valentia Island and I have their childrens' names.
I have come to a brick wall. Any help appreciated.
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Unfortunately I think your John might have been born before the start of the local RC records... as far as I can see Portmagee would have been in Cahirciveen RC parish, which has baptisms back to 1845, and Doory was in Prior parish which has baptisms back to 1853.
I'm not sure where 'Ferry' is is located - have you details of this location ?
Never heard of an 1834 census - is that detail from Tithe records?
Shane
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Ferry was near Portmagee. The baptism records for one of my relatives gives Ferry as his place of birth. I have tried to research this subject and have the following information: 'The Ferry would be in a townland named Imleach Mor.
It could also be spelled in English version Emlagh.
This townland would be in Prior or Ballinskelligs area.
The Ferry probably originated from the fact that there was a local boat service to ferry or take locals from Imleach to Ballinskelligs.' (From Cahirciveen Library)
Also,: 'The Ferry, west of the present bridge, was indeed a departure
point for Valencia, and the name continued in local usage.
I noticed one or two baptisms of children from "Doora Ferry"
in Prior parish registers in the 1870s.
A complicating factor in your case, is the fact that the village
of Portmagee is actually in the north of Doory towland and that
the townland of Portmagee is to the west of it.' (Padraig de Brun). I do find it is a bit confusing.
I believe Mr de Brun was involved in developing the website which answers your second question.
The Census of 1834 is part of a series of surveys instigated by Daniel O'Connell. The website is: http://www.igp-web.com/kerry/1834text.html. This is found on the general County Kerry genealogy website:
http://www.igp-web.com/kerry/index.html. or http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/index.html
I hope that is helpful.
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Useful to know about that 1834 census... thanks
Portmagee town is in the townland of Doory, and the 1st Edition OSI maps (c1835) show a ferry going from the pier to Valentia.
see : Portmagee/Doory/'Ferry' (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,437129,573046,5,7)
Problem is none of the RC records for this end of the ring of Kerry go back far enough for your Keane family. You can see the layout of the RC parishes and the dates for which records are available on this map on the Irish Times website : Co. Kerry RC Parishes (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/kerryrc.htm)
Prior is the RC parish which covered Portmagee and Doory, and presumably also 'Ferry', if this referred to Portmagee.
Shane
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There are two townlands name Emlaghmore West and East located on the Road between Ballinskellig and Waterville There are also townlands named Emlaghnamuck, and Emlaghdreenagh nearby.
see : Emlagh townlands (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,447309,568768,4,3) (modern OSI map)
These are all in Prior Civil and RC parish, but would be close to Dromod parish, which included Waterville.
Shane
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Many thanks for the information.
The 1835 map and the modern map both have Doory. For my family, the information from Cahirciveen Library about the ferry to Ballinskelligs is misleading as everything I know points to Portmagee and Valentia. I previously found what I thought was John's wife, Mary in Doory in Griffiths. Your information confirms my theory.
Thanks again.
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Try a post on this site as there is a local person in Valentia who answers queries.
http://valentiaisland.yuku.com/forums/2/Genealogy
annclare
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Many thanks, I will investigate further.
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Mary Murphy Keane was still alive in 1901 cesus and also in the 1911 census.
Your descendants are still alive in the Portmagee area.
Julia Golden was married to Charlie Murphy (brother of Mary Murphy married to John Keane) of Valentia and she was my great grand aunt.
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the name spells,golden.i dont know if charles and mary had siblings.they were from knightown,valentia.look up 1911 census.charles had a son patrick,do you have any info.of him.
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Charles and Julia's shop was in Knightstown but I do not think they came from there. Charles originally worked at Glanleam. Mary is listed in Portmagee in the 1911 census. I believe Charles' son, Patrick died quite young. It needs further investigation, he may have died in the 1st World War as in 1911, he was in the reserves of the Irish Guards.
Could you tell me where Julia's family originated? Her father, Michael is listed as a farmer on her marriage certificate. Do you know where was the farm?
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julia,sfamily originated in ballinablown,the glen,st,finan,s bay.her mother was mary sugrue.her siblings were martin,ellie,mary,kate,john,johanna and thomas,my great grand father.the golden,s still live in the area.
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Thanks for the info. Not quite what I was expecting. The area is some distance from Valentia isn't it? I will investigate if the Murphys came from the same area.
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Good morning, I am also looking for information regarding my great grandfather John Keane from Portmagee. He married a Casey and had I believe 4 daughters one of them Ellen Keane who was my grandmother who emigrated to Canada after the 2nd world war. We are visiting the village this summer and any information about possible living relatives still in the área would be great. Thank you.
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Did you try the Irish 1911 Census - this seems to be the only John Keane family in Portmagee in 1911.
May be a possibility -Do you have birth record for Ellen?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Portmagee/Portmagee_Town/105278/
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Ellen was born in 1925, she had a sister named Mary and another one named nora I believe who still lived in Portmagee until July 2007 when she passed away. I saw the census of 1911 but I do not believe it was him since he only had daughters and his wife passed away when the girls were Young. Her last name was Casey. I do know that in the 80 he was still alive and lived in a pink house beside the bridge to valentía island.
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A mention of Keane in Valentia and Portmagee here.
http://valentiaisland.yuku.com/reply/282/Mary-Murphy-from-Valentia-Island#reply-282
annclare
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Thank you for the info annclare nora farvley was my great aunt! I Heard she passed away a few years ago unfortunately. Would have loved to have Met her.
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I was able to obtain additional information from my mother, my grandmother ellen keane was born in 1921. Her parents were John Keane and Mollie Casey. She had a sister Nora who married a Falvey and remained in Portmagee and a sister Mary (keane) Finn who moved to England. She also had a brother name Michael who I believe passed away when he was Young. Any additional information on relatives still living in the área would be great. Thank you
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Hello,
It is wonderful to actually hear from someone related to me!
I do not know if there are any living relatives in the area. I believe Nora and Jackie had children. They may be still in the area. There is a heritage centre on Valentia Island and you may be able to get more information. When I tried, the information available was quite limited. I met Nora and Jackie many years ago. You may know more about them than me. Do you know any more about the family and the siblings of John and his father, also John? I know a little but I do not want to tell you what you may already know, but I will be happy to give you what I can.
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That is great, are you related on the Keane side of the family or the Casey side of the family? I only heard of Nora whom my mother met many years ago. I never had the chance to meet her or her family. I don´t have any further information on my great grandfather John nor his family. My grandmother was a war bride and married my grandfather a canadian soldier in England during the 2nd world war and moved to Canada. I was told however that the owners of Casey´s boat tours of Skellig Island are relatives but I have never met them, I hope to do so during my visit. Thank you for the info regarding the heritage center, I will look this up next month.
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Hello,
Further information concerning your family. I am related to the Keanes. I do not know much about the Casey family. The details you find in the Census for 1901 and 1911 relates to Ellen's grandfather, John Snr. He lived in the family home and took over ownership from his mother. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000858296/ and http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Portmagee/Portmagee_Town/105278/. I have been told this house was by the water's edge and the house by the bridge is a different house which was built by John Jnr when he got married. I have been in the house when John's brother lived there. My mother nor I remember it being pink.
My link to you is through John Snr.'s sister, Ellen. Your grandmother was called after her. It seems the family would also call your grandmother Nell.
There are strong links with Valentia Island. I think John Snr's mother came from there but John's father was from the Portmagee area. I can go back a little further but not much.
I will send you by private message your direct ancestors (as much as I know it). If you have more information about the family, I would appreciate it.
Any queries, please contact me.