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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: bugle boy on Sunday 15 July 12 14:37 BST (UK)
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Thanks to all who assisted me in Tracing Robert Adams who lived in Vancouver after he emigrated to Canada.
This is a subsequent request for Robert Adams' sister Harriet born 1900 Belfast married to Robert McKittrick with three children born to them: Molly, Elizabeth Luke (Lillie), and Robert. The marriage of Harriet Adams and Robert McKittrick would have likely taken place about 1918 in Belfast.
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Do you know if he was married when he came to Canada, or was he married here?
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLTZ-285
This is from Familyseach.org. Does this look like it could be your Robert??
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hi all
just looked in passenger lists for him but nothing jumps out as him the only records for a robert adams leaving belfast are in the late 1920,s the only records for the 30/40,s and there,s only a hand full all have other folk with them as most do . what you need to know is that passenger records are very hit and miss some have full names some just an initial and surname and others are just surname and nothing else they aren,t like looking up ordinary records with lots of info so as MikeMelen has said did he travel alone or with others the more you give us the more likely we can help .
regards
trevor
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Mountain View Cemetery seems to have a Robert George Adams and Emma Sophia Adams
ADAMS, Emma Sophia Nov-04-1948 HORNE2/*/04/026/0007
ADAMS, Robert George Jun-18-1962 HORNE2/*/04/026/0007 (This date is slightly later than the family search record showing the date of death - could be typo error ???)
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/nonmarketoperations/mountainview/burials/aa-am.htm
Sandra
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Emma Sophia Adams born 20 July 1899 Ireland - daughter of Quinton Ferguson. Husaband Robert George Adams.
Died 4 November 1928 Vancouver. British Columbia.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLPV-F98
Sandra
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Could this be a son who died in infancy :'( Victor Richard Adams.
Parents Robert George Adams and Emma Sophia Ferguson
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLG3-GVT
ADAMS, Victor R. May-31-1928 HORNE2/*/04/026/0007
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/nonmarketoperations/mountainview/burials/aa-am.htm
Sandra
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There is another Robert Adams immigrated 24 th September 1927 on the Metagama. His wife Susan was on the SS Melita arriving 17 December 1927
Robert James Adams - Birth February 26 1898 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
and died March 7, 1975 in Toronto, Ontario. Married to Susan Elizabeth Porter
Birth 20 Feb 1898 in Clay,Loughbrickland,Banbridge, County Down, Northern Ireland
and died 12 Jan 1971 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
This couple had 3 children.
Robert is buried Highland Memorial Gardens and Susan is buried in Highland Memorial Gardens Good Shepherd Section 124A-1
(Toronto. Ontario)
Sandra
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLTZ-285
This is from Familyseach.org. Does this look like it could be your Robert??
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Thanks for looking this up for me. It sure looked like it might be our 'Robert" as he was listed as 13 when the Belfast 1911 Census was taken, but only the first name was registered. If he had a middle name it was not recorded. The mother's name was recorded as Mary Annie in the 1911 Census.All I am sure of is that the family was living on Ashdale Street in County Down in 1911
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There is another Robert Adams immigrated 24 th September 1927 on the Metagama. His wife Susan was on the SS Melita arriving 17 December 1927
Robert James Adams - Birth February 26 1898 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
and died March 7, 1975 in Toronto, Ontario. Married to Susan Elizabeth Porter
Birth 20 Feb 1898 in Clay,Loughbrickland,Banbridge, County Down, Northern Ireland
and died 12 Jan 1971 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
This couple had 3 children.
Robert is buried Highland Memorial Gardens and Susan is buried in Highland Memorial Gardens Good Shepherd Section 124A-1
(Toronto. Ontario)
Sandra
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There is another Robert Adams immigrated 24 th September 1927 on the Metagama. His wife Susan was on the SS Melita arriving 17 December 1927
Robert James Adams - Birth February 26 1898 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
and died March 7, 1975 in Toronto, Ontario. Married to Susan Elizabeth Porter
Birth 20 Feb 1898 in Clay,Loughbrickland,Banbridge, County Down, Northern Ireland
and died 12 Jan 1971 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
This couple had 3 children.
Robert is buried Highland Memorial Gardens and Susan is buried in Highland Memorial Gardens Good Shepherd Section 124A-1
(Toronto. Ontario)
Sandra
Thanks for looking this up for me Sandra. I am afraid I don't really have much information regarding Robert Adams. except that the was in his late 20's when he left Ireland and came to Canada living in Vancouver. So far as I am aware, he had no middle name (ref: Belfast 1911 Census) and at the time lived on Ashdale street, County Down. I never knew him, the information I have I learned from my Mother. I do remember Uncle Bobby sending big boxes of lovely red apples to us every Christmas from an orchard here in BC....probably the Okanagan Valley.
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from BC death index and familysearch.org
Robert Adams
1966/12/27 age 68, Vancouver
b. 8 Oct 1897, Ireland
spouse - Lena Pearl Donaldson
father - Samuel Adams
mother - Mary Pinisi
Lena Pearl Adams, widow, d. 11 April 1978, Vancouver age 68
b. 3 March 1910, Manitoba
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According to a family tree entry the above Robert was also born in Belfast. Antrim
He had 3 siblings Elizabeth 1893 - 1968 Harriet 1900 - 1999 and Thomas 1906 - 1964 all died in Belfast. Antrim. Father Samuel 1861 - 1947 and Mother Mary Anne Ponise 1872 - 1929.
Does your Mother recall if there was any mention of siblings at all ?
What was your Roberts occupation?
Sandra
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Possibly a little early but popping this one on in the hope that maybe some small chink of information might ring a bell. ???
Canada Ocean arrivals Form 30 A - Robert Adams. Born about 1899 Belfast. Ireland. and aged 21 years. Farmer. Protestant. Objejct of coming to Canada was to join Brother. Destined to brother-in-law Mr A Allen. 84 Lincoln Street. Windsor. Ontario. Mother Mrs Adams, 5 Manderlaw Street. Belfast. Ireland
Port of Arrival: Quebec on the Victorian 25 August 1920
Sandra
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Looking at the 1911 Ireland Census and comparing to the information on the family tree - plus the death record Valerie put up - that looks like your man. The siblings are the same
Resident of a house 32 in Ashdale Street. (Pottinger) County Down
Adams Samuel 45 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Belfast Van Driver - Read and write - Married
Adams Mary Annie 40 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Antrim Flax Carder Read and write - Married -
Adams Lizzie 18 Female Daughter Presbyterian Belfast Back Minder in Ropeworks Read and write - Single
Adams Robert 13 Male Son Presbyterian Belfast Scholar Read and write - Single
Adams Harriet 11 Female Daughter Presbyterian Belfast Scholar Read and write - Single
Adams Thomas 5 Male Son Presbyterian Belfast Scholar Read and write - Single
Magill Ellen 60 Female Boarder
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Ashdale_Street/227354/
Sandra
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This is the details of the parents:- Samuel Adams - Birth about 1861 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland and died 17 Nov 1947 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland.
Mary Anne Ponise - Birth 1872 in Ballycastle. Ireland and died 28 Jul 1929 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland.
Another clue could be that sister Elizabeth Adams -Birth about 1893 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland and died about 1968 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
Married ALEXANDER ALLEN
Robert in reply 13 was going to his brother in law Mr A Allen. ;D
Sandra
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This is the details of the parents:- Samuel Adams - Birth about 1861 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland and died 17 Nov 1947 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland.
Mary Anne Ponise - Birth 1872 in Ballycastle. Ireland and died 28 Jul 1929 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland.
Another clue could be that sister Elizabeth Adams -Birth about 1893 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland and died about 1968 in Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
Married ALEXANDER ALLEN
Robert in reply 13 was going to his brother in law Mr A Allen. ;D
Sandra
I am amazed you found this stuff out. How are you able to access all this info.
Are you in Canada?
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HI Bugle Boy,
Mainly subscription sites or family search, just your luck what comes up.
Lena Pearl Donaldson - Birth 2 March 1910 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
and died 11 April 1978 in Vancouver, British Columbia.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FL1V-VDT
MARRIED Robert Adams in May 1961 Vancouver.
Lena daughter of William John Donaldson - Birth 6 May 1868 in Arnprior, Ontario, Canada and died 19 August 1938 in Bowsman, Manitoba. Mother - Mary Hall
Birth 7 January 1868 in Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada and died 16 September 1917 in Bowsman, Manitoba, Canada. Married 20 th April 1892 -
Source Anc Tree
Sandra
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Burial Mountain Cemetery
ADAMS, Lena Pearl Apr-20-1978 ABRAY/*/06/036/0016C
ADAMS, Robert Dec-29-1966 ABRAY/*/06/036/0016C
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/nonmarketoperations/mountainview/burials/aa-am.htm
Sandra
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According to a family tree entry the above Robert was also born in Belfast. Antrim
He had 3 siblings Elizabeth 1893 - 1968 Harriet 1900 - 1999 and Thomas 1906 - 1964 all died in Belfast. Antrim. Father Samuel 1861 - 1947 and Mother Mary Anne Ponise 1872 - 1929.
Does your Mother recall if there was any mention of siblings at all ?
What was your Roberts occupation?
Sandra
Harriet was my mother. I have no idea what Robert did for a living.
I think the date you quoted for Thomas' death of 1964 might be a typo. I think it must have been 1954, because I remember going to his funeral in Milltown (Falls Road, Bellfast). Everything else seem to fit with what I remember.
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Parents of Lena - William John Donaldson and Mary Hall
http://www.laurencebarber.ca/Families/People/Brock/Donaldson/wm_jn_donaldson.htm
There are details of a previous marriage for Lena to Thomas Cummings but the marriage date is incorrect. (She wasn;t born in 1903) ???
Sandra
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Aaaah, so you did know a little more ;)
I think the date you quoted for Thomas' death of 1964 might be a typo. I think it must have been 1954, because I remember going to his funeral in Milltown (Falls Road, Bellfast). Everything else seem to fit with what I remember.
Quote comes from anc family tree, perhaps you can contact the owner and compare notes.
It just says about 1964. ???
Sandra
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Aaaah, so you did know a little more ;)
I think the date you quoted for Thomas' death of 1964 might be a typo. I think it must have been 1954, because I remember going to his funeral in Milltown (Falls Road, Bellfast). Everything else seem to fit with what I remember.
Quote comes from anc family tree, perhaps you can contact the owner and compare notes.
It just says about 1964. ???
Sandra
I wouldn't know how to find 'anc" family tree. how would I find that? Can you advise me on how I connect with the 'Owner".
I am not sure what date Uncle Tommy died. I only know it was before I joined up with the Boy Service.
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Just google ancestry and the site should appear for you - however if you haven't got a subscription then you couldn't view public trees - it would need you to at least sign up for a free 14 day trial - only trouble is you would have to give your credit card number.
Try www.mundia.com the sister site to ancestry - sign up for free and you should be able to view family tree entries whilst in the beta stage.
http://www.mundia.com/gb/
Good Luck
Sandra
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Just google ancestry and the site should appear for you - however if you haven't got a subscription then you couldn't view public trees - it would need you to at least sign up for a free 14 day trial - only trouble is you would have to give your credit card number.
Try www.mundia.com the sister site to ancestry - sign up for free and you should be able to view family tree entries whilst in the beta stage.
http://www.mundia.com/gb/
Good Luck
Sandra
thanks for all your help Sandra
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bugle boy...answering on here as this is your thread for the couple...Important not to make new threads as it just duplicates resources...and ties up the already overloaded server
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-29149-15988-0?cc=2001882&wc=MM5T-4KD:n694793231
However the online ones only go up to 1939 or so you'd have to get a lookup for the actual will information
https://www.familysearch.Blimey/records/collection/2001882/waypoints
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thanks jj sandra already told me that i had started two threads on my uncle i wasnt really thinking ?but thanks for pointing it out and for the info.bb
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Hi Bugle Boy,
Resurrecting your thread from last year. I am sure if someone can find further information they will add to it.
Regards
Sandra
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Ok. I have Robert Adams Born in Belfast 1897
Immigrated to Canada on Board the SS Victorian Arriving in Quebec, August 1920
Destination: Windsor to join Brother-in-law Alexander Allen.
The query is for any info between 1920 and 1961 if he married during this time, and if there were any children from this marriage.
I have him Married to a Lena Pearl Donaldson May 16, 1961, in Vancouver, BC He would have been 59 or 60 then.
Robert Adams Died Dec 29, 1966 with Lena Pearl Adams dying on April 20, 1978. I have copies of both of their Death Certificates. On Robert's death certificate it indicates he was in BC for 46 years. which suggests that this might have been a 2nd marriage.
Hope this info is of use to your search for me. B/B
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Sandra can I ask that the other thread be closed as completed?
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Hi Bugle Boy,
Yes, that's possible. You need to ask one of the moderators - the moderator for this board is KarenM
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=16715
Sandra
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Family search have marriage records for British Columbia 1859 - 1932 but unfortunately I did not see any sign of Robert.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1307718
Vancouver Library have a "Ask the librarian" link - have you contacted them to see if they can find an Obituary for Robert ?
http://www.vpl.ca/library/details/ask_a_librarian
Sandra
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thank you for your patience :) will follow up on your advice,and I have asked karen to close the other thread .many thanksB/B
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No problem. Will have another re-read through tomorrow to refresh my memory. You never know some "genius" may come along in the meantime with further information for you - hope so.
All the best for now
Sandra.
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Hi Bugle Boy,
Nothing new coming to light on Robert. There are no Central registries/indexes in Canada for BMDs. Canada has very strict privacy laws and each province imposes its own even further. Additionally, some provinces are more research friendly than others so researching in Canada can be challenging. The last available Canadian Census was 1911 apart from Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta which was 1916 - 1921 is due out later this year.
As a guide BMD Records are only available for births more than a 100 years ago, marriages 80 years ago and deaths 70 years ago. So far the only record showing for Robert is the death record unfortunately.
Sandra
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hi sandra what a great help you have been to me and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart,Roots is so lucky having you on board,many thanks B/B
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I wonder if some member could advise me on this post? I found a name on a death certificate of a nephew of my uncle roberts late wife,he signed her death certificate,when I looked up 411 there was an address and phone number for him ,and I was elated to find it.I rang the number but got an answering machine message saying leave a message,which I did,saying I was robert adams nephew and was working on a family tree,and would like to talk to them I left my number asking if they would please call me .but now a week or so has gone by and no call,I tried phoning a couple more times but just keep getting Leave Message,anyone know what else I could try.Not one of my family has a picture of my uncle and it would sure be nice to have one,my uncle was only married to her for about 6years before he died,and I wuld dearly love to know if this was his 2nd wife,? he married her when he was about 60,I was hoping he may have had children from a 1st marriage.many thanks
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Maybe they are away? Maybe they are snowbirds and down in Flordia.
Karen
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guess I will wait awhile,was just so excited I guess. as Im sure they can open a lot of new doors for me. ;D
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Hi there,
I hope you can help me locate the right family tree for me.
My great great grandfather's name was Joseph Adams and he lived in Shettleston in 1926. His son Robert, wife Mary, and 7 children (Joseph, james, John, Susan, Jane, Mary, and Ruby) came to Canada on the SS Baltic on May 16, 1926. Robert, wife and children are listed as being born in Coatbridge Scotland. Can you please help me explore my tree further back?
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Hello there,
Welcome to RootsChat. Just to let you know that Bugle boy who started off this topic sadly died in 2014 I am very sorry about that.
Regards
Sarah