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Title: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: JAKnighton on Wednesday 18 July 12 15:57 BST (UK)
I'm trying to find the maiden name of my 3rd Great Grandmother Elizabeth Hutchcraft, I can only find records of her after she was married. She was born about 1860 in Fletton according to census records. The 1911 census says she married her husband Joseph Hutchcraft in 1883. Joseph was actually living in Fletton village in the 1881 census but was born in Ramsey and lived there after marriage, so I'm guessing it was during his stay there that he met Elizabeth. Unfortunately even after looking through each record I can't find a suitable Elizabeth in Fletton.

I'm also concerned that I can't find a marriage certificate for a Joseph Hutchcraft in 1883 of any kind.

Is there anything that I could do to make the search easier?
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: davidft on Wednesday 18 July 12 16:53 BST (UK)
I cannot see a marriage - it is possible its missed off the indexes - this does happen.

So you could either

1. Browse the marriage index pages on pay sites like ancestry or findmypast for it, or

2. Buy the birth certificate for one of their childen and this should reveal the mothers maiden name

( but i'd wait to see if any other forum members first have any indexes that may contain them)
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: danuslave on Wednesday 18 July 12 18:04 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

You might need to widen the date range and area for the marriage. 

There is a birth registration (probably  ::)) for the oldest child

David Hutchcraft  Jul-Aug-Sep 1882 
Peterborough  Vol 3b  Page 242

Linda
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: danuslave on Wednesday 18 July 12 18:27 BST (UK)
Two out of the three censuses showing Elizabeth give her POB as Denton, Huntingdonshire

I think Denton & Fletton have 'moved around' a bit over the years. 

According to genuki's list of places and registration districts

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/places/index.html

They both seem to have been in Huntingdonshire & Northamptonshire, and since 1974 have registered to Cambridge

Looks like you'll need some fairly serious lateral thinking on this one   :o ::)

Linda

Added - it gets worse.  There seems to be a Denton in Huntingdonshire and one in Northamptonshire in the late 1800s
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: magslote on Thursday 19 July 12 10:26 BST (UK)
Hello Joseph Hutchcraft   married   Elizabeth  KILLINGWORTH, bapt
at Denton27.11.1859dau,John/Anne
1871census, School House Denton.
ANN KILLINGWORTH, BORN1820 NORTHAMPTONSHIRE
HENRY her son1855 Huntingdonshire.
ELIZABETH   BORN1860
JOHN. T.  her son born 1866
1881 census1 WELDON VILLAS,MONUMENT ST   PETERBOROUGH,ST JOHN   THE BAPTIST
ELIZABETH  KILLINGWORTH,BORN 1860 WAS A LODGER/SERVANT, AT THIS ADDRESS
refs,1592/folio89.page 11,reg//Peterborough.
Margaret.
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: davidft on Thursday 19 July 12 11:34 BST (UK)
Re message 4

So it looks like Joseph was calling himself Joseph ASHCROFT at the time of marriage - no wonder i couldn't find it

Marriages Dec 1881   
ASHCROFT  Joseph    Peterbro'  3b 471   
KILLINGWORTH  Elizabeth     Peterbro'  3b 471   
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: JAKnighton on Thursday 19 July 12 12:46 BST (UK)
Oh wow, thanks a lot for all your help! I appreciate you all taking the time to look into this mystery. I was just about to order a birth certificate so this has saved me some money.

Again, thank you, this has been really helpful.
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 19 July 12 14:21 BST (UK)
1871 under Illingworth, Elizabeth is with her Mother Ann, Widow, Pauper (bon c 1820 Oundle, Northamptonshire) and Siblings in Denton, Huntingdonshire.
1861 they are under Killenworth
1851 Ann and Husband John are under Hilenworth

FreeBMD has this Marriage Reg;
John KILLINGWORTH, Dec 1843, Oundle, 15 653
On the same page is a Ann MOYSOR

Ann is still alive in 1891.

Trish :)
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 19 July 12 14:35 BST (UK)
ANN MISOR Baptised 24 December 1820, St Peter, Oundle, Northamptonshire
Parents HENRY/MARY, Fathers Occp Labourer, abode Oundle
Siblings;
MARY Mysor 18 May 1823
FRANCES Misor 29 Jan 1826
HENRY Misor 23 March 1828

(Source FreeREG)
www.freereg.org.uk

1841 Census has a Ann MISER c 1821 living in Oundle. A Female Servant in the Brown Household.
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 19 July 12 15:15 BST (UK)
Marriage;
24 March 1795, St Thomas A'Becket of Canterbury, Ramsey, Huntingdonshire
Stephen HUTCHCRAFT of Upwood
Mary HART
By Licence
(FreeREG)

Mary Hutchcraft age 70, birth c 1771 may be in Ramsey in 1841.
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: seahall on Saturday 21 July 12 11:23 BST (UK)
HI All.

The Northants Marriage Indexes have this marriage.

Oundle
12 Oct 1843

John KILLINGWORTH otp, bachelor, full age, labourer, father's details blank to
Ann MOYSOR otp, spinster, full age, father's details blank

Marilyn has said the vicar left the details blank on the father
on the whole register.

Sandy   


Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: seahall on Saturday 21 July 12 11:34 BST (UK)
They also have Henry's marriage.

Oundle

04 May 1812
Henry MOWSEY otp, bachelor to Mary PRIDMORE otp, spinster

Sandy      
Title: Re: Identity of Elizabeth Hutchcraft
Post by: seahall on Saturday 21 July 12 20:13 BST (UK)
I looked at the original marriage entry and the extra info
is noted below.

Pg. 58, No. 116

Oundle
October 12th 1843

John KILLINGWORTH full, Batchelor, Labourer, Oundle, father's details blank to
Ann MOYSOR full, Spinster, --------- , Oundle,  father's details blank

Both signed their names.

Witnesses: William Moysor and Willm Bodg????

Sandy