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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 18 July 12 23:01 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Has anyone have easy available access to the 1903 & 1913 NSW Electoral Roll, I'm seeking a residence for
Annie H Hamment and Richard Hamment maybe in the Blue Mountains are also
Amelia Kullmer and Henry William Kullmer on the 1903, Amelia may not be on the 1913.
Thanks
Gerry
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The 1904 NSW Post Office has a Wm Kullmer (Teacher) listed at Home Rule and a Mrs R Hamment
and D Hamment at Glenbrook......no actual address for either.
Mike.
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Can't see either Henry or Amelia in the electoral rolls as yet.
Found these.
Naturalization
Henry William Kullmer age 42
13 Nov 1891
Occupation - teacher
Date of Arrival 1878
BirthLocation Kleinsolmerode in Germany
Birth year abt 1849
1901 NSW census
H Küllmer
Mudgee Cudgegong
Only the one person at the address.
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In 1887 and 1889 they were living in the Hulme district where two sons Gordon and William were born and died.
Is this Henry's marriage? Did he interchange the names Henry and William?
Amella Pfieffer
married William Kullmer in Victoria in 1885
Reg number 7141.
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Ah, so Richard Hamment and Henry William Kullmer married sisters?
Richard W Hamment married Annie H Pfiefer 1890 Sprngwood NSW reg no. 6698
Still no hits in the electoral rolls for them
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There is an Annie Hamment at 13 Oxford Street Paddington in 1925. Sands Street Index.
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Thanks for quick responses and help.
Yes they married Pfeiffer/Pfieffer sisters.
The 1914 death notice at Wodonga for my Great Great Grandmother Anna Rosina Pfeiffer mentions amongst her daughters Mrs R Hamment and the late Mrs Kullmer.
I don't know where or when Amelia Kullmer died but it would be before 1914, she is nor buried at Albury that I know of.
I agree on the two marriage dates and I can see a death date of 1907 for a Richard D Hamment which might be him.
Gerry
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I can only find THREE listings with the surname HAMMENT on my CD of the NSW rolls in 1913. I cannot find ANY with the surname Kullmer on that CD with the NSW rolls in 1913. It was still not compulsory to enrol.
NSW ER 1913 WOOLLAHRA, polling at Paddington
Henrietta HAMMENT of 29 Cascade street, dd
NSW ER 1913 HARTLEY, polling at Lithgow
Elizabeth HAMMENT of Geordie street, dd
Joseph HAMMENT of Geordie street, labourer
I had some success with the 1903 rolls (hardcopy by electorate, and then by polling place, so many thanks for the clues re Blue Mountains and re Home Rule)
NSW ER 1903 PARRAMATTA, polling at Glenbrook
Annie Henrietta HAMMENT, of Glenbrook, dd
George HAMMENT, of Glenbrook, labourer
Richard David HAMMENT, of Glenbrook, labourer.
NSW ER 1903 ROBERTSON, polling at Home Rule
Amelia KULLMER of Wilbertree, dd
Henry William KULLMER, of Wilbertree, civil servant.
Cheers, JM
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Just a thought
Deceased Estate file of H W Kullmer at NSW SRO index with death 3 July 1904, probate 16 Aug 1905
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx
Have you tried either surname at the NSW SRO Archives Investigator?
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Search.aspx
Cheers JM
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1901 NSW census
H Küllmer
Mudgee Cudgegong
Only the one person at the address.
I am sorry to disagree, but the 1901 image I am currently looking at actually shows the household of H Kullmer at Wilbertree (Mudgee, etc) comprised one male and one female.
Cheers, JM
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JM,
Thanks for your response and your findings.
The fact that Annie H is Annie Henrietta adds more intrigue to my query.
A Henriette Pfeiffer came out with her parents on the Vesta in 1856 but I haven't been able to find anything about her after the arrival maybe this was her!
On Anna Rosina Pfeiffer's death certificate in 1914 Henriette is noted as deceased by the informant but this could also be incorrect.
I think I need to get a copy of the marriage transcription for Annie H Pfieffer & Richard Hamment.
The Cascade street address in 1913 for Henrietta Hamment looks promising.
Thanks on the Kullmer information as well I'll follow this up.
Regards
Gerry
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Just in case you haven't seen it PROV has the digitsed will of Anna PFEIFFER, widow of Wodonga, died 25 October, 1914. She leaves all to her daughter Mary Louise PFEIFFER who is living at David St, Albury when probate was granted in October, 1918, but in Wodonga at the time of her mother's death.
Mary Louise states that she is a spinster and was born in Bloomberg South Australia, 17 February 1860 (there's a blob on the last digit but it looks as though it's a '0'). Anna had been resident in Wodonga for 50 years at the time of her death. The estate consisted of a weatherboard house on a block of land in Wodonga.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Judith
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Do you have info on the PFEIFFER family? TROVE has an obit for William Festo PFEIFFER, died June 1948 aged 91 (thus b abt 1857) which states that he was born aboard the ship Festo which was binging his parents from Poland. When he was 3 the family travelled from South Australia to Wodonga by bullock dray.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22554562
Heavens, what a journey!
Judith
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Judith,
Thanks for the info on Anna Pfeiffer's will, Mary Louise Pfeiffer never married and eventually moved to Sydney probably after the Will had been settled in 1918.
I had found the Trove obit for William Festo Pfeiffer, he had been born on the Vesta and lived at Bethanga not far from Wodonga, he was the informant on Anna Rosina Pfeiffer's death certificate.
The Pfeiffers came overland from Adelaide via Mount Gambier.
Thanks again.
Gerry
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1903 NSW ERoll:
Hamment Annie Henrietta Glenbrook Domestic Duties
Hamment Richard David Glenbrook Labourer
Hamment George Glenbrook Labourer
Hamment Elizabeth Hermitage Flat Lithgow Domestic Duties
Hamment Joseph Hermitage Flat Lithgow Labourer
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Wow, Merlin, I had found the Glenbrook ones, but I had not got to the Lithgow rolls for 1903. Well found.
Cheers, JM
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1903 NSW ERoll:
Kullmer Amelia Wilbertree Domestic Duties
Kullmer Henry William Wilbertree Civil Servant
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Wow, Merlin, I had found the Glenbrook ones, but I had not got to the Lithgow rolls for 1903. Well found.
Cheers, JM
Sorry, JM I have just repeated some of your findings ::)
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Not to worry, I am sure Gerry appreciates that you and I have different resources, so we have simply confirmed each others resources !
;D
Cheers, JM
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Thanks very much for eveyone's research and assistance hopefully you have solved my missing Henrietta Pfeiffer whom came out as a 3 year old child on the Vesta in 1856.
What I now have after your help is this.
On her mother's death certificate in 1914 Henriette is shown as deceased.
The newspaper death notice has a daughter I can't account for, that is Mrs R Hamment.
I know the death certificate informant was William Pfeiffer but I don't know who placed the death notice. It is likely that they were two different persons with Wiilliam assuming that Henriette was deceased and the other knowing of a Mrs R Hamment.
There was a marriage between an Annie H Pfieffer & Richard W Hammant in 1890 in the Springwood District.
Looks like also a birth and death of a child in 1892.
The 1903 NSW Electoral Roll has Annie Henrietta Hamment at Glenbrook along with Richard David Hamment.
There was a NSW death registration for a Richard D Hamment in 1907 in the Sydney District.
the 1913 NSW Electoral Roll has Henrietta Hamment at 29 Cascade St Paddington.
The 1925 PO Directory has an Annie Hamment at Oxford st Paddington.
I'm hoping that Mrs R Hamment is Henriette/Henrietta Pfeiffer, I'll order a marriage transcription and go to the State Library of Qld and check the NSW Commonwealth rolls beyond 1913 to see if there is an end enrolment date for Mrs Hamment then I might have a rough death year and location because I cant find a death registration as yet.
Thanks again for your help.
Gerry
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Hi Gerry
The last entries I see for Ann Henrietta HAMMANT are 1930 and 1933 at 49 Murray St, Merrylands, home duties.
Judith
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Regarding the 'late Mrs Kullmer' as noted in Anna Pfeiffer's death notice in 1914, thanks for your help on this also.
I now know where Amelia Kullmer was residing in 1903 and it looks like from the NSW SRO deceased Estate info found by JM that Henry William Kullmer might have died in Germany on 3rd July 1904 unless I read it wrong.
I'll have to chase up the electoral rolls after 1903 to see when Emelia vanishes, I can't find a death as yet for Amelia Kullmer (born Emilie Rosealie Pfieffer 25th Jan 1864 Mount Gambier & married in 1885) there are no records for her burial at Albury or Wodonga.
Regards
Gerry
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Thanks Judith, I see the slight surname difference in spelling which was common, just like Pfeiffer/Pfieffer or Annie Henriette and Henrietta Annie or just Henriette. I'l now concentrate my ER searches beyond 1933.
I found a published family history document that had no information on Henretta Pfeiffer apart from arriving as a 3 year old child in 1856 with her parents and with the death certificate of her mother having her as a deceased child I went along with this information but once I found the death notice in the Wodonga Newspaper (30th October 1914) and Mrs R Hamment appears whom I couldn't account for I had to find out more now I can't let it go. I should be concentrating on my Charters Towers lot but that's another story.
Gerry
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looks like from the NSW SRO deceased Estate info found by JM that Henry William Kullmer might have died in Germany on 3rd July 1904 unless I read it wrong.
;D Now ummm..... I think you are right Gerry, although I am aware of one of my forebears who died in NSW but held real property in New Zealand and his NSW SRO probate packet is indexed with the locality as NZ. Just that one exception. Several of my NSW rellies probate packets include real property outside of NSW, but the index seems to have used "locality" as their last address (ie locality matching up with the address of the informant on the respective NSW dcs).
Gerry, in your instance, the NSW probate aspect was finalised more than 12 months after the death and in that era I think that is actually quite a long gap, so it could well be a death in Germany. NSW Probate Packets are often quite informative, sometimes even include BDM certs. I think the NSW Supreme Court may have actually required proof of death, particularly if the death occurred outside of NSW.
Cheers, JM