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Title: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Jessies Mum on Monday 06 August 12 06:50 BST (UK)
Looking for any information re George Pepper born circa 1783 who migrated to Australia.  Confirmed via newspaper obituary he was from Wexford, but have no other information.  Died in Australia in 1881.
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Katharine75 on Tuesday 07 August 12 06:00 BST (UK)
Hi. Where did end up in Australia? Do you have his death certificate? Parents names?
I had a quick look at an Irish subscription website, and there seem to have been quite a few 'Pepper's at Clone in Wexford. Do you have his immigration as this could have what parish or townland he was from?
Katharine.
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Jessies Mum on Wednesday 08 August 12 03:48 BST (UK)
Information on death certificates in 1881 will only have scant information - no details of parents.
1842-1907
    Date of Death
    Name
    Sex
    Age
    Occupation
    Usual Residence
    Cause of Death
    Place of Death
    Informant

PEPPER George
5 Jan 1881  97 years  Relative 1 Edward PEPPER [Son]  No relative 2 noted.
Resident Sutton Town  Death Place Sutton Town    Gre 108/83

Still trying to find immigration details - the obituary I have found is the only clue that I've discovered stating the link back to Wexford.  "The deceased, who was in his 98th year, was a native of County Wexford, Ireland".
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Lisacul Rosie on Wednesday 08 August 12 06:32 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thought he might have been a convict but could he have been a rozzer.

http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1837/N/general/272.pdf

At the end of the second page a George Pepper is appointed a Constable at Goulburn, on 17 Sep 1837. He may have crossed to Australia on a convict ship as a transport guard and not through conventional means.

Found reference to Peppers in the Parish of Ferns, Wexford.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wexford/xmisc/ferns-prots-1798.txt

May have nothing to do with your George but provide options for consideration.



Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Jessies Mum on Wednesday 08 August 12 06:42 BST (UK)
Possibly the family came to Victoria first of all?  Have son Edward marrying in Portland in 1854 at the age of 28/29 and daughter Eliza marrying in 1856 at age 33.
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Scollagh on Thursday 20 September 12 21:09 BST (UK)
I know a little about Peppers in Wexford and would have a contact who has investigated them quite extensively. Have you any more info., than above? I'm curious about the death cert as I've seen 1860s Australian death records and they seem to have quite a lot of info. on them - much more than Irish death certs., at any rate? Have you a copy of his death cert? If you clarify this, I'll pass on and see what comes up.

I do know of another Pepper who went to Australia - Fanny (Frances) Pepper who married Edward Rynehart in 1852 at Clone Wexford. Fanny was born abt 1831 to Edward Pepper. They subsequently emigrated to New South Wales I think and had family there.
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Jessies Mum on Friday 21 September 12 01:29 BST (UK)
Have the article showing in death
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/77152445?searchTerm=george pepper&searchLimits=l-title=276
Would sincerely appreciate any information.
On the death index via ancestry , it does state his father was Edward.
Will follow through further re death certificate and let you know.


Moderator Note : link fixed - spaces in these cause problems
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Scollagh on Friday 21 September 12 09:49 BST (UK)
I'll follow that up but suggest you also get the death cert., if it exists. Maybe it varied across Australia but ones I've seen for Queensland have a lot of info potentially, depending on whether it was all collected  :-\
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Scollagh on Friday 21 September 12 17:39 BST (UK)
Here's an outline of reply re George Pepper, Clone, Wexford:

"I do have a record for this George I think ! from parish reg in R.C.B Clone/Ferns
1818 29th March Thomas born to George and Mary Piper nee James
1825 Feb 13th or 23rd Edward Piper Son of George and Mary Piper Nee James
The name was Piper in reg 1776 to 1815 then some of the family's became Pepper  but some held on to Piper for longer by 1830 they were all Pepper and Griffith valuations has it Peppard 1850s"

There's more info - but does this make any sense to you? Would Edward Piper born Feb 1825 fit any of your records of George's family?
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Jessies Mum on Monday 24 September 12 06:46 BST (UK)
Oh gosh, yes!
Edward Pepper, born 1825 Wexford, was the son of this George Pepper I am searching who married Mary James.  Edward went on to marry Sarah Hart in Victoria.  That ties in perfectly!  Thank you so much Scollagh  ;D
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Scollagh on Monday 24 September 12 09:53 BST (UK)
Great, that sounds like same man - here's the rest of the reply:

'I hope this is some help, there were about 10 family's of Pipers/Pepper in Clone at this time all with same names - George, Thomas, Edward, John. So hard tell who was who, but I thought this George was son of John and Elizabeth Piper nee Piper (as he was under 10 in 1776 survey) All family's came from Edward and Lidia Piper so George would be Edward and Lidias grand son
There is also a George born 1788 to Thomas and Elizabeth Piper nee smith also grand son of Edward and Lidia
Edward died at Clone Jan 5th 1785 and Lidia 1780'

I'll send you a private message with email contact, so you can pursue further  :)
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Jessies Mum on Tuesday 25 September 12 02:56 BST (UK)
It certainly sounds we are on the right path - thank you so much Scollagh for your help  ;D
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Katharine75 on Friday 05 April 13 23:29 BST (UK)
http://ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/AngRecord/Templeshanbo.pdf

Jessiesmum - check out the above link for marriage of George Pepper and Mary James in 1814.

Katharine.
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Jessies Mum on Monday 08 April 13 05:46 BST (UK)
Thank you Katharine, that is an incredible link  ;D
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: Pepperdw on Wednesday 02 April 14 23:25 BST (UK)
I am descended from either John Pepper b. aug 16 1789, or Robert Pepper b. feb 15 1778 both of of Tincurry/Clone.  They both emigrated to Canada in 1818.  Does anyone have any additional information on them and/or their parents, William and Elizabeth (nee Smith) Piper/Pepper?

Thanks!
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: YellowJellyBeanz on Wednesday 14 October 15 14:40 BST (UK)
Hi Jessies Mum,  I have some information regarding the family of George Pepper and Mary James. They were my great, great, grandparents. I would be really interested in exchanging any information with you.  Gloria
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: erinmore on Tuesday 23 March 21 00:47 GMT (UK)
hi I am researching on behalf of a family friend, who also a cousin.   Edwards's daughter Frances Priscilla Pepper born 1831 Clone, Wexford, married Edward Rynehart 12 Apr 1852 Enniscorthy.
emigrated to South Australia. 
trying to find Frances (Fanny) mother and marriage details.   Wouild this Edward be son of George.
Found an Edward Snr and Edward Jnr in land valuations in Wexford - but unsure this connection,
Frances and Edward Rynehart had 9 children.
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: culbaire on Tuesday 23 March 21 11:42 GMT (UK)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1852/09430/5416274.pdf
is link to marriage of Edward Rynehart & Fanny Pepper
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: erinmore on Tuesday 23 March 21 21:59 GMT (UK)
dear culbaire
thankyou,   already had that marriage .   am after the marriage of Edward (father of frances).
regards
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 24 March 21 11:13 GMT (UK)
If this is his death in 1872 he was born about 1788
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020715/7268260.pdf

the in formant was a John Shea

so i wonder Rachel Shea
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1871/020781/7289893.pdf

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/dm/IRE_DIOC_007246538_00152.pdf
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 24 March 21 12:53 GMT (UK)
John Shea's widow ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Barronstown/Templenacroha/1796080/
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 24 March 21 16:06 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth Pepper 6th Feb 1872 husband Edward Pepper died in Chicago 1890
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020744/7277644.pdf

https://historicgraves.com/clone/wx-clon-0033/grave
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 24 March 21 16:26 GMT (UK)
might be his death
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7V1-J4F
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: dathai on Thursday 25 March 21 07:43 GMT (UK)
The above headstone say's Elizabeth formerly of Camolin so i wonder if she's Elizabeth Stern who married Edward Pepper a widower Shopkeeper of Camolin in Gorey 1849
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1849/09370/5393438.pdf
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: LearyP on Thursday 08 April 21 11:57 BST (UK)
There is a Peppard headstone at the back of Clone graveyard.Closed to public for renovation currently. It is listed on Cantwells Memorials of the Dead. Also a Peppard couple of Clone were godparents to my RC grand uncles who were born in middle 1850s in Killabeg, Civil Parish of Clone. Nowadays RC parish of Monageer. I was surprised but other religions can become god parents of Roman Catholic children.
Title: Re: George Pepper, c1783
Post by: LearyP on Thursday 08 April 21 14:58 BST (UK)
My grand uncle Thomas O'Leary of Killabeg, Ferns, County Wexford. Civil Parish of Clone. Sponsors at his Baptism on 24 Dec 1854 • Monageer Parish, Wexford, Ireland
Samuel Pepper. Mary Pepper.