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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Sutherland => Topic started by: kb0fhp on Tuesday 07 August 12 20:49 BST (UK)
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In the 1851 Census it has the following information:
Thomas Mckenzie, 59, Lotter And Chelsea Peno, b. Clyne, sutherlandshire
Catharine Mckenzie, wife
Address: Doll, Clyne Sutherland
Occupation:
What is a Lotter and Chelsea Peno? Is this a Chelsea Pensioner? If so, what is that?
Thank you.
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The 1861 gives him as Pensioner Out Chelsea. This means that at one time he was a soldier There are two types of pensions "in pension" and "out pension". Most of these soldiers who received a pension did so as an "out pensioner " from the Chelsea Hospital. You may be able to find his army records either on Find My Past or The National Archives.
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There is a Thomas McKenzie of Clyne,Sutherland served 1808-1815 in the 93rd foot....age is a bit out from the census detail....this Thomas according to the dates on record was born c 1784?
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I saw that as well, but the 1861 gives his DOB as 1793.
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Lotter might likely be:
Cottar - Tenant with only a cottage and little land
www.scotsfamily.com/occupations.htm
Monica
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The 1841 Census gives his occupation as Army P (I am assuming private). How is the best way to pull up service records? I have tried Ancestry.com to no avail.
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army p was army pensioner,,,,the record i saw was on findmypast. ;)
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I tried that - but I wasn't able to pull up the records - what search terms did you use?
Thank you - from the time line (1808-1815) it looks as if Thomas McKenzie fought in the Battle of New Orleans
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just rechecked the record,,,he was discharged in 1815 aged 24,,,so b c 1791.
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Army records will be available it seems at Kew. There are a few to consider:
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-4010077&j=1
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-4556546
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-4559677
Monica
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Absolutely super - I was not aware that the National Archive resource existed - that will be a great help.
From the records, it appears that he enlisted three times. From Wikipedia, the 93rd Foot was stationed in Newfoundland until April 1814, and arrived back in England in August 1814. From records he was married on 28 April 1814 in North Berwick, East Lothian (I am pretty sure this is right from baptism records of sons, etc). The ages certainly add up to yield the right DOB from the census records; the occupation matches the census records; and the location appears right.
Is this possible - or is this the wrong person? How do I resolve this conflict?
I really appreciate the help. As I indicated in an earlier post, I am new at this - and especially new at looking up British, Scottish or Irish records. I appreciate the patience.
Scott