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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Tom Piper on Tuesday 07 August 12 22:18 BST (UK)
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I have been following the Martindale family in Dimboola, using Trove, the newspaper resource for Australia. Robert Martindale married Marguerite Harvey in 1882, and they had 6 children. Not having A******y Worldwide, the newspaper resource has been very helpful, but in many reports of funerals in Dimboola, Messrs Martindale & Sons, Undertakers, organise the proceedings. Now I know that the above Robert Martindale was a joiner by trade, and ran a successful building company in Dimboola, so I wonder if one of his sons ran the Undertakers. Can anyone confirm this?
Tom
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Hi Tom,
The 1904 Victorian PO Directory shows
Robert Martindale, builder & undertakers.
Regards
Gerry
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http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/
I wonder if you have seen some of the war service histories for people named MARTINDALE.
Some are digitised and may make interesting reading for you.
Search as a guest using Martindale Dimboola.
One I see (Peter) was awarded the Military medal and his Next of Kin was ROBERT MARTINDALE.
Peter was a bank clerk and writes a rather literary note to to the Officer in Charge of Records in 1935. :D
Sue
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http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
At this site you can download the digitised will of ROBERT MARTINDALE.
It is detailed and gives further family information.
Sue
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Is this ROBERT MARTINDALE's arrival in Victoria?
MARTINDALE ROBERT Aged 25. Date NOV 1857.Ship SHAFTESBURY. Reg B 135 001
No others of the name apparent on that voyage.
Sue
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The arrival in Vic. for ROBERT MARTINDALE I have offered as a possibility is incorrect now that I see his age at death and other particulars about him.
He arrived in SA and some biographical details are available if you need them regarding him and his family.
Sue
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Robert and his brother William arrived in 1877 on the Forfarshire a ship sponsored by the South Australian Government. William was married to Esther nee Ward. Robert & William were born in Yapham cum Meltonby, near Pocklington in East Riding of Yorkshire, both sons of George Martindale & his wife Hannah Gowthorpe, sometimes transcribed as Gawthorpe. That surname appears quite often in Martindale families both in England & Australia.
Thanks for the news of the 1904 Directory, confirming that Robert was both builder & undertaker. Does that Directory list them as undertakers later on in the 20th century?
Some great information in government collection-Florence Martindale, the first one in the list, daughter of Robert, she passed her pilot's licence.
There's a lot to follow up there already. I have an obituary for William, showing that he lived in South Australia for seven years then moved to Dimboola, confirmed by showing him being approved for land ownership at Nhill in 1883. Would he have had to buy his land, all 320acres of it?
Tom
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Tom,
1914 Victorian PO Directory.
DIMBOOLA
Martindale & Sons, Robt. Builders & Plumbers.
TRADES DIRECTORY
UNDERTAKERS
Martindale, Robert, Dimboola.
1937 Victoria & Riverina Trade Directory
DIMBOOLA
HARDWARE
Martindale & Sons.
Gerry
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Hi
William Martindale was a selector. The process of acquiring crown land in Victoria involved first the person making a choice (selection) of the block he wanted then making application and payment to the local Land Board.
The land was then surveyed and the land leased to the applicant for a period of time until it was considered "paid off" (Conditions applied!)
This is a summary from a Victorian newspaper item.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-VIC-NE/2003-09/1063449357
Searching Trove, you will find a couple of applications for selections by WILLIAM MARTINDALE to the Lands Board of the district.
Further information on the Selection system will be readily available by using your search engine :D
Sue
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Sue,
Thanks for providing me with greater understanding of the process William Martindale went through to obtain his land. Also those web sites for military service and wills, has now confirmed that Robert Martindale had a successful building and unertakers in Dimboola up to 1925, when he died, and his son Robert Harvey Martindale carried on the business. Robert Harvey, I can now see had three children, Florence, James Alfred & Robert Lance. In his will, Robert Martindale bequeaths £100 to a Heinrich Hirth, a carpenter, who I see died in Ballarat, having lived in Dimboola. Robert's son married an Ivy Maud Hirth, (I don't know date), so wonder if there is a connection.
Tom
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FYI :D
HIRTH Ivy Maud
To MARTINDALE Robert Hamley(sic)
Year 1915
Reg. Number: 5858
Sue
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MARTINDALE Ivy Maud
Father Hirth Heinrich
Mother Dorothea DAHLENBURG
Death Place DIMB
Age 82
Year 1974
Reg 23907
Husband and wife are buried at Dimboola Cemetery (as are other Martindale’s)
Sue
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That's great such kind people on rootschat, have pointed me towards many more successful searches into the ever growing Martindale family in Australia.
Tom
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/73020387?searchTerm="hirth" +martindale&searchLimits=l-australian=y
This news item in 1939 shows the business (or one related to it anyway) was still being conducted by the Martindale family.
Sue
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R Martindale mentioned as the undertaker in 1949
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/73116120?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Wm transferred his land in 1887
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pow/
Many farmers found the acreage allotted was not large enough to make a living. Many forfeited their allotments as they were unable to fulfil the conditions of purchase and moved to the nearest town seeking work or establishing businesses. Droughts, rabbit plagues and poor commodity prices also forced settlers to leave the land. I live on a farming property which originally would have been selected by 12 selectors however the allotments in my area were between 640 and 700 acres. By 1910 the powers that be realised that 320 was far too small for a viable farm and when the area in which I live was opened for selection, the area was doubled, however that was still not large enough for viable broadacre farming.
Victorian Post Office Directory 1888
MARTINDALE Alice Ladies school Donald
MARTINDALE Thomas Miner Clunes
MARTINDALE William Gerang Gerung
Gerang Gerung is on the Western Highway between Nhill and Dimboola. My area is to the north :)
There are no MARTINDALE's listed in the whitepages in Dimboola area today. Perhaps you may find a family contact in the whitepages 25 listings in Victoria and only 72 for all Australia.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pow/
I would suggest you contact the Dimboola Historical Society. Link to their holdings. Nothing beats local knowledge ;D
http://www.dimboolahistory.org.au/holdings.html
Cando
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And the link for whitepages
http://www.whitepages.com.au/search/residential
Cando
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William Martindale's application for 320 acres at Gerang Gerung approved in 1885.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/72862675?searchTerm=
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His application was heard by the Nhill Land Board in 1883.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/72873349?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Victorian Police Gazette 1894
(Shorthened version)
Alice E Martindale, governess, Drouin, reported to police that she had goods stolen from her dwelling at Alma Bank Woodstock. (3rd April 1894)
Gerry
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Tom would you please pm me your email address as I will breach copyright if I post some information here.
1885 Licence revoked at Gerang Gerung
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0poz/
Wm was seeking work ex farm in 1885 - Contract acceptance to supply limestone for road building.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pp0/
Transfer of a registered lease 1892
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pp1/
1896 still farming but cattle agisted
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pp2/
1897
Storm damages Martingdale’s house and other buildings at Dimboola
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pp6/
1899
Mr R MARTINDALE is making good progress with the erection of a pavilion
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pp3/
Mr R MARTINDALE successful tenderer for Magistrate’s room at the Dimboola Court House
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pp5/
1899
Mr W MARTINDALE applies successfully for the position of Shire Valuer
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pp4/
Sold farm at Lochiel in 1902
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pp7/
R MARTINDALE lowest tenderer for the building of the Roman Catholic Church 1906
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pp9/
Photo
http://www.travelvictoria.com.au/dimboola/photos/
Robert installed as Worshipful Master of the Dimboola Lodge 1911
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ppa/
Robert appointed a JP with another gentleman who was the grandfather of one of my school friends.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ppb/
Mention of fire near Martindale’s premises – I think they may have had several as the address near the National Bank is not a later one.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ppc/
Obituary for Wm’s wife who died at Woodend
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ppg/
Robert’s obituary 1925
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ppi/
Application for probate for the will of the late Robert MARTINDALE, builder and contractor of Dimboola
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0pph/
1953
Martindale and Sons are suppliers and manufacturers of irrigation requisites
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ppk/
Both Robert MARTINDALE, Builder etc, and William MARTINDALE, Carpenter, have files at PROV - search the Wills and Probate Indexes and download to view
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Cheers :)
Cando
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What a difference a day makes! I woke up this morning, checked my rootschat and look what there is. Loads to check out now. Good idea to check the Historical Society,-I will also seek out the local library resources. I have sent a PM to Cando.
The Tomato patch death makes sad reading-no wonder William gave up his land, don't think Robert, his brother applied for any, he went into the building business and ran the local undertakers too.
Thanks everyone
Tom
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Hi Tom, I am Rober'ts Great Grand daughter and would be happy to help you with any further information
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Louie,
Well thank you for that. I am going to send you a PM, a personal message.
Tom
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Hi, Ivy Maude Hirth and Robert Harvey Martindale were my grandparents, if I can be off assistance to you please advise, their daughter Marjorie is now 96, still has all her faculties and would be able to answer any questions that you may ask.
Regards Kate Martindale
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Hi Kate,
I am thinking it looks like in November TOM has tried to use a system to contact you which, as yet you are not able to access. Namely the PM (or PERSONAL MESSAGE ) system.
You, as a newcomer need to post 3 messages on the open board before the PM system opens for you to send and receive messages off the board.
You are up to two now, so just reply now (anything you like is fine!!) and I think then the two of you will be able to have a good exchange.
Sue
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Thanks Sue,
Hopefully I will be able to fill in some of the spaces you need, if I can't I am sure my aunt can.
Look forward to the reply.
Regards kate
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Hi Kate,
I have just sent you an E-mail.
Tom
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Robert Harvey Martindale had 6 children, Florence, Marjorie Ellen, Nellie Isobel, James Alfred, Robert Lance, and George. There are no Martindales left in Dimboola. Marjorie is still alive, and recently celebrated her 102nd Birthday!
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Hi all
In 2016 around Australia Day I met up with Robert John Martindale in Dimboola and we had a look around the cemetery at the Martindale gravestones, and visited the newspaper office where a printing machine was there made near Otley in England. Later that year I went to to see Robert at his home in Melbourne and since then thanks to Rootschat we have been in touch quite a lot and shared our family history information.
Tom
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Hello everyone,
I am interestred in finding out if Marjorie Martindale is still alive? I have not spoken to her for quite a few years as I lost contact and would love to catch up with her again.
Rhonda Johnston
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As far as I am aware Marjorie’s is still alive. I am in contact with one of her relatives. I have contacted him and asked him about Marjorie and he will get back to me when he knows.
Tom
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Thank you Tom. Much appreciated and if you have a phone contact number for her - that would be fantastic. The last time I saw her was when she was living in Mt. Waverley and I lost contact when she moved. What a wonderful long life she has lived!!