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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Labblack on Wednesday 08 August 12 23:45 BST (UK)
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Hi, I have exhausted my efforts in tracing the Arrival to Australia of Joseph Archer ALDRED b. 3.01.1839,Yorkshire, UK d. 3.11.1906, ( my Great grandfather) his wife Lucy Elizabeth ALDRED (Nee Conwell) 1848, d. 1917, their possibly four children, Ada Elizabeth Ann ALDRED, David Wheatley ALDRED, Edward Frederick ALDRED, and Charlotte Amelia ALDRED b. Coonoar, Hedy, India. They would have sailed from India, maybe Madras around 1878 -80. I have considerable information on Lucy Elizabeth Conwell.
Charlotte was born in 1877. India.
Their next child was born in Tasmania 1880 . She was Eva May ALDRED.
Family hints say they may have gone to New Zealand first, then others say they were given or purchased a government land Grant at Turners Marsh in Tasmania.( Joseph died there.)
I am also trying to determine who Joseph Archer ALDRED father was. There are a number of George ALDREDs, but the one I think most likely is George ALDRED b. 1808 in Wakefield, Yorkshire.
married Ann Archer born 1809 in Dewesbury Yorkshire. (Hence the name "Archer" appearing in the childrens names.
I again have family hints that Joseph was a Police Inspector in India, though no proof.
Questions are how and why did Joseph go to India ?
When and how did they arrive in Australia ?
Any help would be greatly appreciated, even if you can just point me in the right direction.
Many grateful thanks.
Lindal Byard
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Examiner 23 November 1953
Obituary for Charles Aldred...3s/o late Mr and Mrs Joseph Aldred of Turners
Marsh..mourners...Mr Gordon Aldred, brother.
Advocate 17 Nov 1953
Charles Aldred 3s/o...brother of Dave (dec), Fred (dec), Gordon (Launceston)
William (NSW), May (dec), Ada (dec), Lottie (dec), Lucy (Mrs Wing, Jetsonville),
late of Bangor 72nd year.
BDM NSW
15846/1959
William Henry ALDRED Newtown
parents Joseph Arthur and Lucy Ethel
That might be brother William, with Arthur accounting for the Aldred in the name?.
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Death notice for Joseph Archer ALDRED says he was from Leeds in Yorkshire
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38111836
regards,
Ros
adding : and death notice for eldest son http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article52474650 David Wheatley ALDRED also says parents from Leeds
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Hi Lindal,
;D Welcome to RootsChat ;D
You would need to see the documentation for the marriage and baptisms in India to find Joseph's occupation there. The microfilm can be ordered to your nearest family history society or LDS centre. Alternatively you can order a printout of the entries for a nominal fee.
https://familysearch.org
https://familysearch.org/films/
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services
What was his occupation in Tasmania?
Debra :)
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There is an online tree with information about Joseph Archer ALDRED
http://www.spuddybike.org.uk/familyhistory/ohara/familytree/INDIs/II548.html
regards,
Ros
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Thank You Ros. I have been in contact with the site you mention and personally in contact with the site co-ordinator, who has helped considerably.
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Joseph Archer ALDREDS 'occupation in Tasmania was noted as a farmer in the Turners Marsh, Bangor District.. Thank you
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Hi, I have been doing my family tree and May Eva Aldred was my great grandmother, she was born in Turners Marsh. Apparently Joseph Aldred was a Police Inspector in India and a farmer in Turners Marsh. He was granted land in Lower Turners Marsh and came here via New Zealand from Hyderabad before 1900. My research shows that Joseph was born on the 3/1/1839 at North Hall, Leeds, Yorkshire and his father was George Aldred who was born about 1807 in Wakefield Yorkshire. George had two wives - Isabella Rowe - born in India (Indo- Briton) and Ann Archer.
My research shows that George and Ann had 4 children - Edwin, Emma, George, Tom
and George (widowed) and Isabella had 2 children - Joseph, Isabella
I am not completly sure of the accuracy of this information as the birth dates overlap between wives.
Regards Michele
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This series is a register of applications for Land Order Certificates. You would need to consult the microfilm to see what information is within his file:
ALDRED Joseph 22/03/1879
Category: MINUTES IMMIGRANT BOARD
Reel: I4-2
Section: CB 7/7/1
Frame: (142)
Film: SLTX/AO/EP/271
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=S&id=CB7/7
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=S&id=CB7/24
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Hi, I am not sure about our George being married to Isabelle Rowe. I have been in contact with the ancestors of that connection who are adamant that this was not the case.Quote "I'm sorry but you are not the first researcher to make the error of thinking that Joseph Archer Aldred was the child of George Aldred & Isabella, previously Rowe, Bell and Daley (4 marriages).
For starters Joseph was born in ENGLAND, not India!
George & Isabella had 5 children, all girls, one of whom was my great-great-grandmother. They were born between 1836 and 1845. George & Isabella married in India in 1834.
George enlisted in 1828 when he was 19 years old & arrived in India in 1828.
My cousin who is an acknowledged expert on India and the L.D.S. films for India has found his various locations with the baptisms of his daughters plus his marriage & then later his death.
I assure you he didn't go back to England, neither did Isabella who was Indian born and bred.
I've just had a very quick look on Ancestry for Joseph's birth/baptism. The following may, or may not, be his family but the middle name of his brother does seem to indicate that it is a possibility? I NEVER PRESUME ANYTHING!
George ARCHER Aldred, baptised 1841 at Leeds, son of George (cloth dresser) & Ann. Also baptism for Joseph in 1839 at Leeds, also son of George (cloth dresser) & Ann.
I also located a marriage for George Aldred to Ann Archer in 1836 at Leeds.
If you will forgive a poor pun, you are barking up the wrong tree!
Regards trifam1 "
So I have followed the George and Ann connection and so far i have felt confident that i am on the right track. If we can prove why and when Joseph travelled and arrived in India then we will almost be there.
Kind Regards,
Lindal Byard
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This is all so exciting! Hi family:)
My grandmother (Hazel Eva ALDRED) was daughter of Eva ALDRED (nee BRITTAIN).
She spoke often of Joseph the Cheif of Police in India who was granted land in Tasmania after his consignment and her Great grandfather George. My grandmother Hazel also often spoke of Joseph’s mother Ann- seamstress to the Queen. It was amazing to read below that her husband George was a clothier also, I didn’t know that- so we can see they had fashion in common!
Somewhere my family have a photo of what my grandmother referred to as our “Polynesian” ancestors. My grandmother Hazel and my aunt both had very olive skin they believe to be from their Indian lineage.
My grandmother Hazel Eva Aldred knew her grandmother Ann died during childbirth after many miscarriages and that George was busy having babies with other women. Ann raised one illegitimate child (whose name I don’t recall) until she died. George was already with Isabella according to my grandmother and Eva ALDRED.
Eva ALDRED had a brother William
who died felling trees in Tasmania after she left for the mainland.
I look forward to learning more!
Louise
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Louise,Hi,
Yes you are on the right track.What a surprise to hear from you. My email is lbyard@bigpond.net.au
Kind Regards,
Lindal