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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: Scott_M on Saturday 18 August 12 04:30 BST (UK)
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Hi all, Looking for any help here please.
John Morland Born about 1788 ( A Sawyer) married to Jane McCredie Born abt 1790, had 4 listed children that I have noted as Thomas, Mary, William, Jane. (From 1841 census)
1841 census have them living in Raphod Tall, Parish of Inch.
I have recently picked up what could be a clue to John Morland (McMorland?) parents, names of Thomas Morland (father) and a Mary ? (Mother)
I also picked up another possible child to John Morland and Jane McCredie being a James which from the clue describes James as first born, Given Thomas Morland was born about 1816 (Census calculation), my thoughts are James Morland would have been born just before 1816 and he is not in the house in 1841 being approx in his mid 20`s then he has fled the nest.
I would dearly love to identify John Morlands parents for a fact (There dates of births would be approx 1755/60 and confirm that James a possible first born was indeed linked to this family..
I would be so grateful for any help from our experienced researchers out there on this family..
I have much information myself to share on this Morland family from the John Morland / Jane McCredie time to present day
Fingers crossed... :)
Regards
Scott Morland
NZ
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Hi all, Well I seem to be stuck .. I just came across another John Morland Born 1788 in Stranraer. Struggling to find info on him.
I have 2 families now by the looks of things in Stranraer area with another John Morland(McMorland) B 1788
First Family and who I was thinking was my family
James McMorland Father (unknown details)
Children - John Morland 1788, James 1791, Agnes 1793, William 1995 / Unknown mother but all born listed in Leswalt
Second Family
John Morland Born 1736 Married to Margaret Kerr Born 1743 (Marriage listed as 1770)
The above mentioned John and Margaret had listed 9 children - What has created a bit of a confusing dilema at present is that there appears to be a John Morland Born 1788 Stranraer in amongst all the other 8 children mentioned to this family(Check link below), What also has me scratching my head in amonst the family of 9 is that given the age of Margaret Kerr when she has had some of the children has me wondering if what is listed is accurate.
Margaret had 9 children from years 1772 to 1803 meaning that Margaret was 31 years old for her first child and 60 years old for the 9th child. Of course not impossible but what would the chances be of this happening?
Actually this second family has links to a Charles Morland who appears to have been a Provost of Stranraer in the 1800`s..
Link for this second family as follows;
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MWQM-49N
I need to find a death register of John Morland that may list his spouse and his father or Mother.. I have a death listed as 1867 for a John Morland Listed as a Sawyer (His job)
What I do know is that I do have a John Morland (McMorland) as my 4 x Grt Grandfather married to Jane McCredie.. What I am desperate to find out is from the above 2 John Morlands listed, What one is mine ???
Help please
Scott Morland
Auckland
NZ
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Hello Scott
I followed the link you gave to the second Morland family on familysearch.org and the first thing I noticed was that it was a submitted Ancestral file entry.
At the bottom of the page read their disclaimer. Don't trust anything you haven't checked
for your self :)
Ancestral File is a collection of genealogical information taken from pedigree charts and or family group records submitted to the family history department since 1978. The information has not been verified against official records. Since the information in ancestral file is submitted by contributers, it is up to the users of the info to check out its validity.
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Hi Crisane, Thanks.. Definately worth acknowledging!
I am thinking that my Morlands may have been setting records back then for having kids at 60? :o
If I can track down a death record I am hopeful for some more info.. Will have another play on SP and see what else may turn up..
I do have a register of John Morland Baptism 1788 father James Morland (McMorland)
Thanks Crisane
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Thomas's baptism Note the surname
Thomas Mcmorland
baptism at Inch Wigtown Scotland
born 21 May 1813 at Inch
father John Mcmorland
mother Jane Mccredie
batch number - C11886-4
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Hi Crisane, Yes my Morlands were noted in some records as McMorlands but that seemed to disappear moving into the 1800`s
Many Morlands were noted as Mc... Very few Morlands arouind now with the Mc before
Thanks
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1841 census. The second child is Margaret not Mary according to the transcription. I don't have access to the original image. Something to check out.
John Morland 53
Jane Morland 50
Thomas Morland 25
Margt Morland 15
Jane Morland 13
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Hi Crisane, That Thomas McMorland is the brother of my 3x Grt Grandfather - A William Morland born 1827.
There was another brother born in 1812 - James McMorland who we believe was illigitimate to John McMorland and Jane Cumming.. Thinking that Jane McCredie and John McMorland took on ownership of James McMorland.. Still to prove but a decent thought on what I have picked up...
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1841 census. The second child is Margaret not Mary according to the transcription. I don't have access to the original image. Something to check out.
John Morland 53
Jane Morland 50
Thomas Morland 25
Margt Morland 15
Jane Morland 13
Raphod Toll I think that is.. Thanks - The William Morland child is missing would have been abt 14 from this family and we have a thought that James born 1812 has fled the nest by this time.. I think we had considered that Margt was Mary from memory, would need to check what I have written down again.
Thanks Crisane
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Would this be the James you think is yours? No relationships given as I only have access to ancestry. if the ages have been rounded down then James born 1812 to 1816
1841 Inch
Jean Cumming 82
Sarah Cumming 45
Elisabeth Cumming 30
Mary Logan 4
James McMorland 25 ag lab
Margaret McMorland 45
Jannet McMorland 9
All born Wigtownshire
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William. Another family of Cummins/Cummings. Did I see a reference by you to a Cummings or did I dream it?
1841 Claddyhouse Inch
John Kerr 60 farmer
Grace Kerr 60
Mary Cummins 25
John Cummins 4
George Cummins 2
Grace Cummins 3 Mo
William McMorland 15 ag lab
James Mcnish 45
All born Wigtownshire
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It may be worth noting that besides the marriage of John McMorland to Margaret Kerr 16 April 1770
A John McMorland married a Margaret Simpson 5 November 1762 so if no mother's surname given on births they could be children of either family.
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Hi Crisane, Thanks so much for your interest and attempt to help me! Very much appreciated.. That is an interesting one Crisane, Not seen that one myself but I do have A Janet Cumming (Jean / Jane) as mother of illigitimate son of James McMorland B 1812
James McMorland died in 1879 and has a listed mother as Janet Cumming with illigitimate noted but strangely they have listed under father as John McMorland (Sawyer). John McMorland Married Jane MCredie in 1812...
James McMorland later on married a Mary Thorburn and was a Gardeners labourer. Interestingly his son n Law was in attendnace for death and his name was David McCredie.. That first census report is also interesting abt William McMorland as that age ties in with my William Morland who is missing in the house hold of John & Jane McCredie at Raphod Toll Willia born in 1827.. I note there are also Kerrs mentioned (Link with possibly John McMorlands possible Fathers wife Margaret Kerr born 1843..
Oh Crisane what the eck were they up to back then LOL ...
I just need to track down that death cert of John Morland (McMorland) died abt 1867 as listed from my info.. C who the spouse and parents were ...
Thanks again
Scott Morland
NZ
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It may be worth noting that besides the marriage of John McMorland to Margaret Kerr 16 April 1770
A John McMorland married a Margaret Simpson 5 November 1762 so if no mother's surname given on births they could be children of either family.
LOL it just gets more complicated by the min LOL
Thanks
Scott
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So john Morland born 1788 had 2 brothers named Robert (married Anne Lawson) & Thomas (married Ann Darling) . There death certs all name father as Thomas Morland and mother Mary Sprott. I have been unable to prove any other siblings and if any other siblings may well have died before 1841...
There is a family plot with 4 grave stones all Morland (McMorland) in the old Parish cemetery in Inch (Castle Kennedy private grounds) I was fortunate to visit this site back in August of this year and myself, Father & Sister cleaned up the 4 stones and took various pictures along with general photos of the Cemetery. Thomas Morland & Mary Sprott grave here along with other Morlands all related to myself. Was a privilege to see.
The Cemetery is set on stunning grounds but certainly would make a great location for a ghost movie...
Best regards
Scott Morland