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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Mosside on Saturday 18 August 12 09:57 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I have a small tree, for anyone interested, of Taylors of Jocks Hill, Canonbie.
There are some Armstrong, Little, Dalgleish, Elliot, Tyson, and Graham connections.
John
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Hi John
I'd be interested in anything relating to the Elliots or Littles
cheers
Kirsty
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Hi Mosside,
Would love to have the info you have on the Armstrong,s, please. just getting started again on this F.H after a bit of a break.
Thanks,
BigOoms.
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Hi John
I'd be interested in anything relating to the Elliots or Littles
cheers
Kirsty
Kirsty,
Re Elliot:
Mary Elliot m Robert Taylor (Canonbie OPR: b. 1804), so William Taylor (b.1785, d.~1848 London) & Elizabeth Tyson
They had 2 children christened in Canonbie:
John b. 1827
William b. 1831
Re Little:
Thomas Little in Windyhill (d. 13/07/1852 aged 90;Gilchrist MI Canonbie #261) married (married 13/9/1789 in Canonbie) to Helen Taylor (chr. 03/01/1761, d.27/03/1817; Gilchrist MI Canonbie #261) daugh of William Taylor (d. 1795 Gilchrist MI Canonbie #379) & Janet Graham (d. 1799 Gilchrist MI #379)
Helen was brother to James Taylor (b.1763, d.1843) in Jockshill
They had 5 (or more) children:
Janet (Gilchrist MI Canonbie #261 died infancy)
Julian (Gilchrist MI Canonbie #261 died infancy)
Isabel
John (RootsWeb entry re Jeannie Armstrong on 13-3-2006)
another
[above from Canonbie OPR unless otherwise noted]
Hope this helps
John
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Re Armstrongs:
Francis Armstrong (b. 05/01/1802 Mosside, Canonbie, d. 1838 Jockshill, Canonbie)
m. Helen Taylor (b.ca. 1804 re age 37 on 1841 Census) do James Taylor in Jockshill (see above)
They had:
James b. 1834
Janet b. 1837
Abel Armstrong, flesher/butcher (b. ca. 1797, born in Scotland, lineage uncertain, d. 1867 Longtown)
m. Isobel Taylor (b. 1797, d. 1845 Longtown)
daugh of James Taylor in Jockshill (see above), sister of Helen (above)
They had:
Francis b. 1823 Woodslee Canonbie
William b. 1825 Forgebraehead Canonbie
Jessie b. 1827 Priorslynn Canonbie
Helen b. 1830 Woodhouse[lees]
Beatrix b. 1832 Scotsdyke Tollbar Canonbie
Elizabeth b. 1834 Scotch Dyke Canonbie
[dates from Canonbie OPR unless otherwise noted]
John
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Thanks John,
For your speedy reply. Francis A rings a bell, I think someone was asking me about that name recently. Will look it up.
Regards,
Muriel.
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Hi John
Many thanks for your reply and sorry for the lateness of mine!
best wishes
Kirsty
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Hi John,
Jessie b. 1827 Priorslynn Canonbie is my gg grandmother.
All I have garnered so far on the maternal side is that her Mum was Isabella Taylor, and Isabella's parents were James Taylor from Jockshill and perhaps Jannet Purvis?
Jessie came to Australia with her husband George Annand in 1852.
Any information you could share would be greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
Leesa
Victoria, Australia
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Hi Leesa,
Jessie's birth is listed in the Canonbie OPR:
Jessie daughter of Abel Armstrong flesher [butcher] Priorslynn and Isabella Armstrong his spouse born 12th May and baptized 17th June 1827
Isabella Taylor married Abel Armstrong at Jock's Hill, Canonbie on June 28, 1822 (Canonbie OPR)
Isabella died in 1845 at Westlinton (3 miles s of Longtown) on the 10th August 1845, according to the Carlisle Patriot.
Abel Armstrong, 53, widower, born in Scotland, occupation Butcher, is listed as living on Swan Street in Longtown, Arthuret, with 2 children:
William 24, infirm, and Jannet 22, both unmarried.
Do you have any details of the marriage of Jessie and George Annand?
Kind Regards
John
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Hi John
Thanks so much for your prompt reply :)
Sad that Isabella died quite early, leaving all her children... I wonder how?
And I also wonder why William is infirm??? :(
Jessie Armstrong married George Annand on 20 Aug 1852 at Largs, County Ayr, Glasgow, Scotland.
I can remember (many moons ago!) my grandmother showing me a clothes brush that came with them on the ship to Australia and she also said that the Duke of Argyll was at the dock to see them off! My nan was always adamant that we were Campbell clan and related to the Duke... I'm still searching for some kind of link to prove her claims!
Thanks again,
Best Regards from a chilly morning in Australia
Leesa
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Hi Leesa,
Thanks for that.
I can see their marriage listed in Scotland's People, but they sent me to the wrong referenced image page from the OPR. I have asked them to correct this. Do you have a marriage certificate or other source?
My previous post forgot to give the source as the 1851 Census for:
Abel Armstrong, 53, widower, born in Scotland, occupation Butcher, is listed as living on Swan Street in Longtown, Arthuret, with 2 children:
William 24, infirm, and Jannet 22, both unmarried.
It looks like Jessie had left home by then.
TB was rampant in those days. It is certainly possible that Isabella died from that, but perhaps further information will come to light. I have not researched her death certificate.
John
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Leesa,
SP has sent me the correct page re marriage of your ancestors.
The entry for August 13, 1852 states:
"George Annand (lately overseer to Lord Murry) and
Jessie Armstrong, both in this Parish.
One Day"
A little further research reveals that this was Sir John Archibald Murray, Lord Murray (1779-1859), who was appointed to be a judge, a permanent of the Lords Ordinary in the Court of Session, in 1839. If you Google him you will find a picture in the National Portrait Gallery and entries in Wikipedia and other places. He lived in Edinburgh, but had a country residence at Strachur on Loch Fyne, which might have been overseen by your ancestor.
Further reference to the latter possibility may be found at this link, which is a discussion related to a posting, apparently by one of your relatives:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.britain/7KzWgXd-K4E
The Campbell Clan at one time had an estate, which is also mentioned above, at a place only 8 miles from Strachur, called Ardkinglas - ie. Sir James Campbell, 2nd Baronet of Ardkinglass, (c.1666 – 5 July 1752) who was a British Member of Parliament and the son of Sir Colin Campbell, 1st Baronet, of Ardkinglass. This line seems to have died out, but the estate was later acquired by the Callander family, one of whom married a brother of the 9th Duke of Argyll. George Annand is mentioned in the link above as having been at that estate. Perhaps some census data will further clarify things about his ancestry.
Hope this helps
John
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Wow John!
Thankyou so much for time and effort. This answers questions LONG unanswered!
I can't wait to do some more digging now :)
With MUCH gratitude,
Leesa,
in windy Outtrim, Australia.
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No problem.
I found George Annand in the Censuses of both 1851 and 1841, in Parish of Strachur. He listed as a 32 year old unmarried Gardner living at Strachur Park in 1851. This was Lord Murray's estate. His place of birth is given as Bonhill [parish], Dumbarton, which is very near Glasgow.
His age is listed as 20 in the 1841 census, but ages were often rounded on that census.
I have not been able to locate Jessie Armstrong on the 1851 Census anywhere in Scotland. Perhaps she was in England, but not living with her parents.
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I am trying to unravel a mystery re Jessie Armstrong baptised 1827 Priors Lynn, Canonbie, daughter of Abel and Isabella and whom I have always thought was my great-great grandmother. This Jessie does not appear on the 1841 and 51 censuses but there is Jannet aged 14 in 1841 in Gretna with her parents and brother, and in 1851 in Longtown. It has been assumed that Jannet is Jessie, but quite possibly they were sisters. There is no baptism record for a Jannet but all Abel and Isabella's other children were baptised in Canonbie. I'm very open to being proved wrong --- just want to get at the truth. I wonder if you have an 1852 marriage certificate for Jessie and George Annand, or any other document which gives her parents' names. Abel and Isabella are named on Jannet's marriage certificate in 1851.
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Extensive further research has revealed that the Jessie Armstrong born 1827, who married George Annand, was not the daughter of Abel Armstrong and Isabella Taylor, but her parents were John Armstrong and Mary Lees who were married in Fala and Soutra ( East Lothian)in 1813. This information comes from the marriage record of her sister Jane.
It is probable that Jessie was baptised as Janet in 1827. She is on the 1841 census with her parents in Saltoun, E. Lothian aged 14.
The name Jessie is a long-standing Scottish diminutive for Janet and the 2 names have been synonymous in Scotland for several centuries.
Unfortunately there are no baptism records for Janet/ Jessie nor for her siblings, except for Alexander who emigrated to Australia, and a sister Elizabeth. The others are Jane, Thomas, John, Mary and Eleanor.
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Excellent detective work Kuren!
So now we have Jessie born Janet married George Annand who emigrated to Australia, and Janet born Jessie who married John Mingins!
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This topic has loads of useful information thank you.
My ancestors are Thomas Little 4xGt grandfather and his wife Eleanor/Helen Taylor.
Down through their daughter Isabella Little who married John Armstrong Priorhill.
Judy
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Thanks, Judy!
We have some indirect links, since my GGGrandfather's brother Francis Armstrong married into the Jockhill Taylors. His wife was Helen (1800-1877), do James and Jennet.
I am aware the your Eleanor/Helen had 3 daughters, including Isabel, but also a couple more kids.
And that Isabel who married John Armstrong Priorhill, Canonbie had 6 children, whose names you likely know. Could you fill in the blanks?
John
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Thomas son of John Armstrong Priorhill and Isabel Little his spouse Born 16th April 1824 and Baptised 14th June 1829 - Don't know any more about him.
Robert Armstrong son of the above (John & Isabel) Born 22 June 1826 bapt same time. He emigrated to Canada then the US and died 5 May 1903 at Brockway, St Clair, Michigan. Married Euphemia Watson. Had 4 children. He claimed his year of birth was either 1831/2 but as it was proved he was the son of John Armstrong & Isabella Little of 'Canonby' then it must have been 1826.
Isabella Armstrong dht of above (John & Isabel) born 24th July 1828 bapt same day. _ Don't know what happened to Isabella.
John Armstrong Abt 1831 - Nothing else known.
Julia Armstrong Abt 1834 Died 18 Feb 1879 Married Robert Anderson - Canonbie
Hugh Armstrong Abt 1834 Died 2 July 1902 Speaker, Sanilac, Michigan, US. Unmarried.
The last 3 are in Census's with their parents but I can not find any Baptisms.
I know lots about Robert as he is my 2xGt Grandfather & quite a bit about Hugh as found he had emigrated too. Then Julia is well documented on different trees but I know nothing about Thomas b 1824, Isabella born 1828 or John c1831 after the 1841 Census.
If anyone knows any more about them I would love to hear.
Judy
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Thanks so much, Judy.
The Taylors connect with Armstrongs at various generations in Canonby.
I do hope that your details will help someone find their ancestor.
John