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Some Special Interests => One Name Studies => One Name Studies: N to S => Topic started by: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 19 August 12 16:37 BST (UK)
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Is anyone researching the Newbold or Newbould families in South yorkshire and / or Derbyshire in the mid 19th C? I've a William Newbold/Newbould, a weaver, and his family in those areas. and would welcome info. I know there's an area called Newbold near Derby, where they may have originated....
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On my tree I have Newbolds in Tibshelf, Derbyshire. I've traced back to a Thomas Newbold who married Elizabeth Hill in 1753 in Tibshelf. Any connection?
Newbold is a village in Chesterfield, I have a few ancestors from there but they were not called Newbold. ;D
Alexander
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Yes, I knew about the geographical Newbould.
I'm trying to find the William Newbould, either a weaver or a labourer, who was the father of an Ann Newbold/Newbould, who had her birth registered in Derby (St Alkmunds) in 1855.
They're one of four really big brick walls I have, and that's why I posted on here. I've never managed to find them in censuses, until she married in 1874 in Yorkshire, then moved soon to Southport, where she stayed for the rest of her life.
I can't say any further back than 1855, so can't say if there is any connection with yours. there are a few trees on "Ancestry" linked to your ancestor, I seem to recall.
Thanks for the interest, you never know we may tie them all up someday.
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Since posting last, William Newbold came from Melbourne, and his spouse from Ticknall. Bit of a breakthrough!
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My G-G-G-G'father was William Newbold, married to Harriett Topliss (probably between 1846 and 1848). I believe William may have been Harriett's second husband as the 1851 Census shows them having 4 children - a Thomas Topliss (b.1846), Fanny Newbold (b.1848), John Topliss Newbold (b.1850) and William Newbold (b.1851).
I have no trace of any Newbold's prior to this. However there is a substantial trail on an alternative site going back through the Toplis(s) line to a John Mee, born in Castle Donnington, Leicestershire around 1525!
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If you make a few more posts I'll be able to send you a personal message which will tell you quite a lot more about Harriet and William ... and John B., and John R!
You need to take care tracing Newbold/Newbould(s) back, as there were rather a group around same area, and similar ages.
After I'd posted here, I rolled my sleeves up, and got really stuck in to that Newbold / topliss lot. Post some more - on any board - and I'll get back in touch with you.
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I've sent you a message, but I don't yet know exactly what information you need. As I say, post a couple more and you'll be able to reply in a personal message.
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Apologies - in addition to learning how to find my way around "Rootschat", I've been away & had a laptop rebuild.
I gathered from your first post that there might well be something interesting around Harriett as she seems to have been a bit of a traveller! A distant relative of mine has traced the Toplis history back to a Samuel (b.c1825) who married Anne Mee and then back through the Mee family to John Mee (b c.1525 in Castle Donington.
However my interest is more in the Piggott family. William Thomas Piggott (born Kettering 1845) who was the husband of Fanny Newbold, daughter of William & Harriett. Although William Piggott was born in Kettering, his father John was born in Weston in Cheshire.
I will post again shortly so that we can PM but I have to fit my time around my full-time job unfortunately.
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Glad to have got a reply. Yes, not a lot of time to do family history research when you're working!!
Yes, Fanny was the daughter of William and Harriet, and married Mr Piggot.
I could be wrong but I have them down as having eight children. As far as I know Eleanor married a William Brown, Ada?, Mary Elizabeth m someone called Richard ?, Alfred Henry m a Kate ?, William Evans m a Sarah ?, Walter m another Kate ?, Ethel m William Wilson, and Harold a Mabel Bloom/Blum.
My line is from a daughter who is often missed out, born in 1855, Ann. At a little after that time Harriet seemed to be with a John Brailsford, a labourer on the railway network, probably on the Settle - Carlisle Viaduct, she doesn't seem to have actually married him, although it seems that William Newbould may have died around that time. She later moved on to a Robinson!!
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William & Fanny did indeed have 8 children.
Eleanor married William Buxton and I believe had 2 children. Mary married Richard Brown and I think only had 1 child. Alfred Henry married Kate Cutler-children unknown. Walter married Kate Hines and had 2(?) children. (I believe Alfred/Kate and Walter/Kate were possibly married on the same day as they appear on the same page of the marriage register). William married Sarah Whyler (5 children), Ethel May married Sidney Wilson (5 children) and Harold Stuart married Mabel Bloom (2 children).
Despite all the many offspring who must exist I am only in sporadic contact with one of Ethel/Sidney's descendants in Australia.
This leaves Ada who is my g-gmother. She had 1 daughter Hilda (my g-mother b.1894). On Hilda's birth certificate, there is no father's name. Neither Hilda (who died when I was 19) or my mother (Hilda's daughter) ever mentioned this (at least in my hearing) and i only discovered it as the information on the 1901 and 1911 Census returns don't tie-up. I think Ada worked in one of the many lace factories in Nottingham so suspect the father was possibly one of the factory lads.
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Your information largely stacks up with mine, on the family, although it was quite hard getting to the facts with most of that mob!
There are two families at least, in the same general area, with many names in common, and general ages..... I did a huge spreadsheet, trying to trace each bunch backwards and forwards to clarify things, as several trees seem to mix them up a lot. "My" William, that married Harriet, was actually, I later discovered, an Ag Lab not a weaver.
Harriet had a son before she ever married the widower William Newbold/Newbould, as you doubtless know. Sorry, my attribution of Mr Brown to Eleanor was a transcription error from my own notes ... as you say, she married a William Buxton.
I only really know of Ann's family, it seems she may have been the penultimate child by Willam that Harriet had - it is possible that young William who seems to shift his age as well as his name, throughout life, was his as well, if the youngest age given for him is correct, but I've not pursued him a lot. Ann married a William Isherwood, a joiner, and moved into Lancashire.
-We're building up a picture, between us......
TY