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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: cire on Saturday 25 August 12 20:34 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find the death of an Elizabeth Burrell or Elizabeth Bradley, between 1822 and 1826, in Colston Bassett. I'm not sure which of the two surnames she would be under as her husband seems to have used either. I know she had a child in 1822 and the husband remarried in 1826.
Eric
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Hi Eric, I think this is her:
Colston Bassett burial
2 Jul 1823 - Elizabeth BURRILL, of Colston
Alexander
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There are also these burials at Colston which may be of interest -
13 Aug 1824 - Mary Ann BURRILL, of Colston
25 Dec 1826 - James BURRELL, Inf., of Colston
31 May 1831 - Ann BURRILL, Inf., of Colston
06 Nov 1853 - Elizabeth BRADLEY, of Colston Bassett
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Thanks a lot for the replies. Those would appear to be the burials I was looking for. Thomas had 2 wives, both called Elizabeth and the children's burials are the ones that I hadn't been able to find in the censuses.
Thomas seems to have chaged his name from Burrell to Bradley and back again as he felt like it!!!!!!!
Can I be cheeky and ask if you could find me Thomas's burial. He is in the 1861 census as Thomas Bradley aged 62 but not in 1871. There are two deaths on the GRO a Thomas Burrill in Dec qtr 1862 and a Thomas Bradley in June qtr 1861 both registered in Bingham, which is the registration district for Colston Bassett, and I don't know which is "my" Thomas.
Thanks again
Eric
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I think your man is the Thomas Burrill who died in 1862, but it's hard to be sure. The corresponding burials are:
Plumtree burial
13 Jun 1861 - Thomas BRADLEY, age 52, of Normanton
Radcliffe-on-Trent burial
17 Dec 1862 - Thomas BURRELL, of Radcliffe on Trent (no age in index)
Radcliffe is close to Colston Bassett, but you would really need the death certificate to be sure. Alternatively, someone local may be able to check the Radcliffe burial register to see if an age is given.
Alexander
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Im going to both the Churchs today the ruin of St Marys and St John the Divine in CB, I will have a look round the graves stones to see if there is any of the names you mentioned if it is of help to you .
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Went to one of the churches and found nothing on the gravestones for either name .
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Thanks for the replies.
Alexander
Thomas was born about 1800, so the Thomas Bradley buried in Normanton would be too young and as you say it looks as if the Thomas Burrill buried in Radcliffe on Trent is the more likely.
Thanks for looking at the gravestones. Thomas was an agricultural labourer so I suppose it rather unlikely that he would have a gravestone.
Thanks again
Eric
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I only came across this thread yesterday, and am delighted as it appears to have solved a brickwall in my research that has troubled me for some time.
Harriet Bradley, recorded in the 1841 census, age 4, living with Thomas and Elizabeth Bradley, and in the 1851 census, age 14, the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Bradley, would appear to have become the Harriet Burrell, age 22 (father Thomas Burrell) who married Thomas Chapman on 25 Dec 1860 at East Bridgford St. Peter's.
Thomas and Harriet Chapman were my great-great-grandparents.
I'd be grateful for any further information on the Burrell/Bradley family, and particularly any explanation for the name change.
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Hi
Welcome to RootsChat. This is going to strain my grey cells!!!!!.This was part of research I did for a friend. When I started he told me he had been told that his surname should be Bradley and not Burrell
I couldn't get any further back than the Thomas you mention. The 1841 census says he was born in Nottinghamshire, the 1851 gives his birthplace as Scampton Lincs and the 1861 says he was born in Lincoln. He was born about 1800. I couldn't find a likely contender anywhere. He married twice, first to Elizabeth Gunn in 1821. They had one daughter who died when she was 2. The mother Elizabeth Gunn died and was buried 2 July 1823. He then married Elizabeth Whittaker in Leicestershire in July 1826. They had 7 children including Harriet.
I have no explanation for the name changes. It may have something to do with illegitimacy but what is confusing is that not only did Thomas keep changing his surname, but several of his sons and even their sons carried on doing it!!!!
I did find one entry in a Lincolnshire parish record which had a "Burwell pronounced Burrell"!!!!
I'll have another look through my notes and come back to you if I find anything else.
Eric
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I've had a look at my notes and found this:-
THE BURRELLS
The earliest member of your Burrell family that I have found so far is a Thomas Burrell and the earliest record of him is his marriage to Elizabeth Gunn in Colston Bassett Nottinghamshire on 26th Nov 1821. Elizabeth and Thomas had one daughter baptised Mary Ann Burrell on 11th Aug 1822. Sadly, in June of 1823, Thomas’s wife Elizabeth died and just over a year later the daughter Mary Ann also died.
On the 27 April 1826 Thomas married again. His new wife was also an Elizabeth, Elizabeth Whitaker. They were married in Branston in Leicestershire and the parish register says that Thomas was a widower from the parish of Colston Bassett. Back in Colston Bassett , Thomas and Elizabeth had 4 children between 1826 and 1832, These four were James Burrell; Thomas Burrell; Ann Burrell and John Burrell all baptised in Colston Bassett. James and Ann both died as babies.
In 1835 Thomas and Elizabeth had another daughter, Elizabeth and Elizabeth was baptised in Colston Bassett as Elizabeth Bradley, the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Bradley! Two further children Harriet, born summer 1837 and William born 1839 were both baptised as the children of Thomas and Elizabeth Bradley. Compulsory registration of births, marriages and deaths was introduced in September 1837, before then the main records of these events was in the parish registers and these normally only recorded baptisms and only occasionally the date of birth.
As William was born in 1839, after the introduction of registration of births, marriages and deaths, a copy of William’s birth certificate was available.. To complicate things even further, the father‘s and mother’s names on the certificate were given as Thomas Burrell and Elizabeth Burrell!.
Then in the national censuses of 1841, 1851 and 1861, Thomas and the members of his family still living with him are recorded with the Bradley surname. The confusion continues when Thomas’s wife Elizabeth died in November 1853 and was buried in Colston Bassett as Elizabeth Bradley but her death certificate gives her name as Elizabeth Burrill.
Thomas used the Burrell surname for both of his marriages and for the baptisms of his first 5 children, born before 1837. Thereafter the Bradley name confuses things. I think something must have happened around 1836 to cause him to use the name Bradley. Cold it have been the introduction of the compulsory registration of BMDs in 1837?
Eric
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Dear Eric, Many thanks for looking out the information for me. It is very useful and, as often occurs when researching family histories, for each question answered another one (or two or three) then arise. I'll keep going.
I have another, probably bigger, issue with Harriet Burrell/Bradley's daughter, Annie Elizabeth Chapman. Annie had an illegitimate daughter in 1880, and there is no known information regarding the father.
Nick
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Hi Nick
I'm not sure what dates these things cover but it might be worthwhile contacting the local Records Office to see if there might be an afilliation order or bastardy bond.
Eric
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Hello Eric
I'm now back on the Burrell/Bradley trail after a number of diversions into other branches of my family, and I'm in the process of transferring into my Family History program the information you (and others) have put on Rootschat. It's a bit convoluted in places.
It would help if you already have a GEDCOM containing the information?
Now Nottingham Archives has reopened, I'm intending to spend a day there over the Summer, checking the microfilms of the original registers to see if there is any further information there. I've found quite a few marginal notes of great interest over the years.
I've already found Thomas and Harriett in Westwood, Notts in the 1861 and later censuses, still flipping between the two surnames.
Regards
Nick
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Hi Nick
Glad you are back on the trail!!!! You must be a devil for punishment!!!!! I'm sorry but I don't think I can be much more help at present.
I haven't done anything on the family lately. This was for a friend and not much actually got down in my family tree program. I found it very difficult to enter the data with the constant switching of surnames, and I finished up with several families duplicated under the alternative names, and the program didn't like that!!!!!
You have stirred my interest again, so I might well have another go!!!!!!!
regards
Eric
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Hi Eric
Thanks anyway. I'll let you have a progress report when I've made a bit more progress.
I've decided to stick with the name BURRELL in my database, and to add a note where it has actually been recorded as BRADLEY. Otherwise, as you appear to have found, it gets too confusing.
Kind regards
Nick