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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: kath davis on Monday 27 August 12 14:02 BST (UK)
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I am trying to piece together the life of Edward Thurlow (1809 – 1892). He was a marine – Greenwich Pensioner by 1871. Children 1 and 2 were born Chatham, Kent (1834 & 37), as were 5, 6 and 7 (1847, 50 & 52); but 3, Lavinia Jane and 4, Louisa Mary were born Narberth in 1843 and 45. He was away from home in 1841, and again in 1881 (although presumably retired).
Could anyone shine any light on where he may have been in the early 1840s, please.
many thanks
Kath
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Do you have correct y.o.b. for children??
1851 in Chatham Kent shows Edward and Selina with children Edward 17 b Chatham Kent, Lavinia 15 Chatham Kent, Louisa 8 Pembroke, Selina 6 pembroke, Caroline 4 Chatham kent, William 1 Chatham
you have lavinia Jane b 1843 narberth???
1841
Eaton St Andrew Norwich Norfolk
Selina Thurlow 30 schoolmistress no
Edward 6 no
Lavinia 4 no
HO107 787 2 10 15
so if I am following the correct family it seems very likely Edward was away at sea in 1841 and was maybe away for some years - which may explain the approx 7 year gap between lavinia and Louisa ?????
Suz
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Suz
Thank you for your interest, and for spotting my error. Louisa Mary was born 1843 and Selina Ann, 1845 – both Pembrokeshire, and from FamilySearch baptised Narberth Loiusa 13 Feb 1844, and Selina 2 Mar 1845.
I agree Edward was probably at sea in 1841 when the family were in Norwich. I was rather hoping to find out details of this time – boat, where, for what reason etc. Why did he spend some time in Pembrokeshire, when Chatham seemed to be his main base?
Kath
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the two girls weren't born in Narberth as their births were registered at Pembroke - their place of birth on the 1851 census entry
Louisa Mary Thurlow june qtr 1843 Pembroke vol 26 pg 665
Selina Ann Thurlow march qtr 1845 Pembroke vol 26 pg 709
Selina was baptised in Pembroke Dock
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FM9C-QXS
Louisa was baptised at Narberth
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X1YW-VT5
The births registered Pembroke could be explained by Edward being at the naval dockyard in Pembroke Dock
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest/sites/pembrokedock/pages/phil_carradice.shtml
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Osprey
Thank you. I have now found Edwards papers at TNA - his attestation date was 1831, age 20 and his discharge 1851, giving him 21 years service and entitling him to a pension - which matches the ref to Greeenwich Pensioner in 1861 census. I have also found a thesis from Greenwich about life in the Navy 1830 to 1850, which at 300+ pages will give me a little reading and hopefully some idea of their lives at this time.
Kath
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FamilySearch baptised Narberth Loiusa 13 Feb 1844, and Selina 2 Mar 1845.
I'm afraid to report this is yet another instance of mis-information on the Familysearch website. There is no reference to the baptism of a Selina Thurlow at Narberth.
I did find the following in the Narberth Baptism Register;
13 Feb 1844 Louisa Mary the daughter of Edward & Selina Thurlow of Narberth a Private in the Royal Marines was baptised by Wm Lloyd the Rector.
Not wishing to confuse, but hoping this might add to your research, I gave the problem some thought(not much time lost there then) and looked elsewhere and came up with the following at the Garrison chapel ;
15 Apr 1877 William Henry the son of Henry & Sarah Jane Thurlow of the Pater Battery a Bombadier in the Coast Brigade 14th Divison Royal Aritllery baptised by Geo Wylde the Chaplin to H.M. Forces.
Turing to Lavinia Jane, I’m afraid once again there is no reference to her baptism either in the area of Narberth or Pembroke Dock.
The only possible “Lavinia Jane” that can be found is from my transcription of the parish registers of Monkton St Nicholas and that is on 6th Aug 1848 there is reference to the baptism of a Jane Lavinia, however the parents, abode and occupations are all listed as ‘Unknown’, which does not offer much solution, but best thought you are made aware.
If you think I can be of any further assistance (not much so far) let me know.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Orielbenfro
Many thanks for your time and interest. The reference to Louisa Mary's baptism info does match FamilySearch. It is my error on Selina Ann - they give her baptim as at St Mary Wesleyan Methodist, Pembroke Dock on 2 Mar 1845 - I had a senior moment and didn't check all my notes.
It is interesting that you have found another Thurlow in the area - I will make a note, it may come in useful, but not names I have come across yet.
Lavinia Jane was another senior moment, the family were still in Chatham when she was born (1837), to where they returned before their 5th child, Caroline Matilda was born in 1847.
Again thank you for your help, if nothing else it has clarified my thoughts, which can only be a positive move.
Kath
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From my transcription of the Non-conformist baptism register of the Wesleyan Chapel of Pembroke Dock between the years 1839 and 1845 I note the following ;
02 Mar 1845 Selina to Edward & Selina Hurlow of Pembroke Dock baptised at aged 3 weeks.
(Note family surname spelling)
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Orielbenfro
That will be it. Many more thanks. That is yet another incorrect spelling!
Kath
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Just so you are aware for the future "Hurlow" is a well known Pembrokeshire surname of very long standing.
Personally I would accept names quoted in original registers over anything Familyhistory may show.
Gd Hunting
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Orielbenfro
Thanks again for your help and warning of FamilySearch - I have been aware of that for as long as I have been using it (and that is a very long time). I do however find it useful to find things to follow-up when all else fails. In this case I knew the two girls were born in Pembrokeshire from the censuses.
The name is definitely Thurlow, but I can see how it could easily be changed to a similar local name. I still haven't found their father Edward in 1881, I have the mother, Selina on her own in Gillingham, and both of them together in 1891 - I suspect another miss-spelling of Thurlow! Still can only keep looking.
Kath
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I now have Edward's Royal Marines records from TNA. In total he was away for over 7 years, on 4 ships. His longest trip 1837 - 42 on HMS Vestal travelling around Halifax, Jamaica, Vrea Cruz, Quebec, Barbadoes etc. All dates fit in with the birth of his children.
Again many thanks for your help and interest.
Kath
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I believe that I am a direct descendant of your Edward Thurlow through his daughter Selina Ann who was the one born in Pembroke Dock. Pembroke Dock was a
major naval base at the time which explains why he was there.
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Malc
Thank you for your reply. Beyond marriage banns read at Clerkenwell in Sep/Oct 1966 I have nothing on Selina Ann. I assume she married in France, and I do not have access to French records. I am interested to see that your surname is Thurlow - did Selina marry, or keep her own surname?
Kath
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Katt
I am new to roots chat and not getting it quite right
.I posted more information about Selina Ann this morning but it may be in a different page somewhere. She did apparently marry Charles Antoine Debacq and bore a son Charles but at age 26 she is described as a widow when she marries Thomas Rose.
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Malc
I have found the Thomas Rose marriage, but nothing on the first or the birth of the son. Were there any later children? or are you descended from Charles.
Kath
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Yes I am descended from Charles. Although there were banns I don't know where and when Selina Ann Thurlow married Charles Antoine Debacq nor when and where their son Charles was born. The manuscript census record when he was 4 years and living with Edward is almost illegible. You notice that when Selina Ann married Thomas Rose her widowed name was misspelt ending with y instead of q.
A simple transcription error with y being a more natural ending for an English scribe.
Delacy is another mutation of Debacq I have come across.
Anecdotally Selina Ann went to France but Charles Antoine died leaving her with the infant Charles so she returned to live with her father Edward before marrying Thomas Rose.I am unaware of àny further children
Malc