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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: fred111 on Tuesday 28 August 12 15:36 BST (UK)
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Hi David, hope your Charleton quest has gone well. I said I'd start a new topic for Boags as people won't be looking for Boags under Charleton. This may help others, too.
Your Frederick's Dad & Mum were
William Boag bapt 28 Jan 1822 Newcastle
Isabella Chicken bapt 1 Mar 1818 All Saints Newcastle
they married on 23 Aug 1836 at St John's
& had 8 known children,
Hannah 1836 - 91
Ambrose 1844 - 71
Mary Ann 1846 - 68
Thomas 1851 - 61
John 1853 - 94
Elizabeth 1855 - 92
Frederick 1857 - 1902
Frances 1860 - 64
On the 1841 Census, William is a Coffee Roaster
from then on, on the 1851 1861 1871 William is a Bill Poster. Interesting that it was a full time occupation which supported a family and Ambrose and John followed their Dad and became Bill Posters too.
That led me on to other jobs - I looked on the 1851 Census for Laidlaw Court, Manors where William & Isabella lived - there were 32 people doing such things as Cattle Dealer, Bread Baker, Straw Bonnet Maker, Brass Founder, Tailor, Carpenter, Potter, Char Woman & Errand Boy. (I don't know how many rooms the 32 people lived in.)
In 1861 The family lives at 3, Manors. 35 people this time - Dressmaker, Grocer, Seamstress, Joiner, Bricklayer, Coach Smith, Chain Maker, Tripe Dealer, Charwoman, Draper.
Interesting that all these people doing such different jobs lived together is what was probably very crowded accommodation.
Have you access to the Census returns?
I'll put William and Isabella's parents on next time :)
Liz
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Next installment.
I'm going to tell you as much as I can about Isabella's Mum & Dad. Obviously, as the dates go back the records can be more difficult to find, so it's a bit sketchy in places.
Thomas Chicken was born about 1787
Isabella Richardson was born about 1789
they married on 12 July 1812 at All Saints
their known 6 children are
Frances 1815
Isabella 1818 - 77
Hannah 1820 - possibly 1866
William 1823 - possibly 1838 (3 William Chickens died that year)
Elizabeth Chatham 1830
John Edward 1833
According to the baptism of baby Frances in 1815 Thomas was a mariner and they lived at Pandon Gate.
Pandon Gate was one of the original gates when Newcastle had a protective wall. It led North East from the village of Pandon. The gate itself was demolished in 1785. There are Pandongate flats where now - so the name is continuing.
Was it because he was a mariner, that Thomas managed to be away for every census! I can't find him on any.
I am not even sure of his death date, because there was another Thomas Chicken, a clerk, married to Judith. So the death for Thomas Chicken in 1867 could be either of them.
Was daughter Elizabeth named Chatham because her Dad had been to Chatham Docks?
In 1851,son John E. is living with his Uncle Aunt & cousin (also John Chicken) - he is a Mariner's Apprentice. Was he lost at sea? I can find no more records for him, but I can for his cousin.
I have found Elizabeth in 1861 she is Mar, a Pauper & a charwoman. Thomas must still be alive, or it would be 'widow'.
That's all I've got so far on these Chickens! :)
More tomorrow
Liz
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thank you Liz this is fascinating to see all this just trying to take it all in many thanks David
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don't have access to census returns Liz apart from our boa gs where any of the other people related to them or just oother people living ther Liz this is amazing
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pandon gate was this the haymarket area liz of newcastle thanks david
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I had to look this one up David, to be sure.
If I remember rightly the Haymarket is N Newcastle.
When the town walls were built they were heading south on the East side, but they made an eastwards extension to take in the village of Pandon which was granted to Newcastle in 1292. Presumably the people of Pandon would have been glad to be safe from all the raids from the Scots in the 13th and 14th centuries! The gate led out NE from Pandon.
Liz
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I don't think the people in these houses were related, but I just looked at their occupations to get a flavour of the sort of people who were thrown together. This would be repeated in houses all over Newcastle.
Some I'd never heard of -eg a Tripe Dealer. Did he go round the slaughterers and buy up the tripe? Tripe was a cheap meal for the poorer folks then. Was there a huge trade in selling Tripe & Onions? Maybe people just bought it and ate it at home. Apparently, it was cooked in milk with onions, or sometimes served with vinegar or tomatoes.
So, here's researching my family tree got me into history, occupations and cookery of the times, too. It's not just a list of dusty names!
Liz
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I've just been looking at the records again, & I'm not sure if I have got it right that Thomas was away for all the Censuses.
I wonder if the one I thought of as 'the other Thomas Chicken' isn't him after all. On the 1861 Census he is, at age 72, a 'clerk', but in 1841 he was a Mariner and in 1851 a Master Mariner. I can't find any record of a Thomas Chicken marrying a Judith, so maybe he and Isabella parted and he had a 'common law wife'. It would also explain why he and Judith didn't have children earlier. In 1841 daughter Hannah was 2, & in 1851 son William was 8.
What do other Rootschatters think?
Liz
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can remember my gran having tripe and onions Liz really interesting known all the trades of what people where doing back then Liz
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well Liz think your right in what your saying that this Judith was a common law wife of thomas and maybe hes been living a double life with Isabella and Judith Liz this is what the situation might of been back then .
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I understand that people didn't get divorced in those days, and it was not uncommon to shack up with someone else. I have one Gt Grandfather who actually committed bigamy - my Gt Gran was still alive when he married his 3rd wife. (We don't know what happened to wife 1 )
Liz
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Liz found pandon gate the funny thing is i have just been working there a few month ago and didn't relies it was pandon gate just of city road .
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Sorry David, I haven't forgotten you, I've had a busy couple of days, I'll post the next bit of family history tomorrow. :)
Liz
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thanks liz ;D
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We are on to the next 'layer' of ancestors, now
William Boag's parents were -
Thomas Boag (1786 - 1845) and Mary Anne Hardy (1794 - 1837)
they married on 23 Dec 1815 at St Nicholas Church
their known children are
Thomas Boag 1822 - 1856
William Boag 1822 - 1888 Thomas & William were christened on the same day, & may have been twins
Mary Ann Boag 1826 -
Isabella Boag 1827 - 1908
John Nelson Boag 1829 - 1905
Edward Boag 1832 -
In 1811, Thomas was a 'haberdasher & hosier clothing' on 'The Head of The Side.' - this was The Side which led down to Sandgate & The Quayside.
In 1820 Thomas is still living in The Side & is a Haberdasher.
In 1841, Mary Ann having died 4 years before, the family are at Westmoreland Lane, Thomas is a Draper, John is a Tailor's Aprentice, Edward is 8 and Isabella is 13, and probably looking after the family.
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fantastic Liz love the finding out the name of the woman they married know a hardy thanks David ;D
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David, sorry it's been a few days. I've been doing a bit more research on the Chickens, and today I made a breakthrough, so I can go back a few more generations. When I've finally sorted it, I'll put it on here for you. I'm so pleased, my persistence has paid off.
Liz
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excellent liz cant wait to see ;D
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Hi when I attended Astley school in Seaton Delaval from 1958 to 1962 I had a teacher who was Dennis Chicken from Blyth and used to play cricket for Blyth.
The shop on the corner of Western Avenue and Astley Road which was just beside the school was run by a Lady called Ethel Boag, her Married name as her maiden name was McMillan.
I don't know if that is of any interest to those of you researching the names but I thought I would throw it into the pot.
Malcolm
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Thanks, Malcolm, you never know! They are both unusual surnames.
Liz
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Hi David - Time I got you the next branch in the Chicken Tree. I've been checking to make sure they were as correct as I can make them.
Thomas Chicken's parents were -
William Chicken 1765 - 1855
Hannah Graham 1764 -
their known children were -
Hannah 1786 - 1831
Thomas 1787 - 1867 (some sources say born 1789)
Mary 1788
Margaret 1791 - 1857
John 1794 - 1870
James 1795 1870 (some sources say born 1794)
Ann 1797
I was trying to find William on the 1841 or 1851 census to find out his occupation, but I haven't been successful yet. The name's probably spelt wrong!
The Poll Register for 1832 has a Willliam Chicken who was a Mill Wright.
Liz
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this is excellent stuff Liz really it is thank you David
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Hi David.
I've been doing a bit more on our family tree, and I have come up with a lot of people!
We go back to Dunn, Penman, Pander, Greathead, Pattison . ...... and I haven't finished yet! If you want to send me your email address I can copy you what I've discovered so far. To be honest, it would take me a long time to put it on a message on Rootschat.
That goes for anyone else who shares the same surnames - of course
Actually, I'll change it on the message title, too, in case anyone else picks it up.
It's very exciting when you suddenly find a lead and you can go a bit further back.
There's not a lot of information about what occupations they followed.
It's amazing when you're looking at the name of one of your ancestors and you realise that Elizabeth 1 was on the throne!
Liz
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sorry haven't been on for a while Liz as a family members been ill will send my email Liz many thanks and sorry haven't reply ed for a while regards David.
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Hi..Very interesting,,My dad..(Melvin Lawson) born 1923 in seaton delaval..is Ethel Boags cousin,His mother was a Mcmillan and was ethels mums sister...