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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: Mike14tp on Saturday 01 September 12 12:51 BST (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help. I am trying to find out a Little more about Michael Egan who appears in the 1901 Census as 50 years old and in the 1911 Census as 64? I don't know how he managed that! He was born therefore either in 1851 or 1847. The family home was in Mullygollan which then became Mulligallon in the parish of Baslick, Castle Plunket.
Any idea if baptismal, birth or death certificates can be obtained going back this far? I would like to learn more about the family about his forbears but assume that is simply not possible?
Thanks
Mike14tp
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Is this your Michael with his wife Bee and two children on the 1911 return ?
Egan household, Mullygallan townland (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Castleplunket/Mullygallan/762975/)
if so then the place to start would be with his marriage, as this would show his father's name and occupation. The form states he and Bee are married 37 years, so c1874.
Do you already have details for the children - e.g. a birth cert with Bee's maiden name ?
This makes the marriage search easier...
The townland name didn't changes as such, it's just recorded as a variation in spelling..
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Thanks Shane very much appreciated.
Unfortunately I am unaware of her maiden name but the Son Martin died in 1976 and was married to Theresa nee Carney. I don't have his birth or death certificate either. I know nothing about the other Sons and daughters, apparently there were 9 in total.
Thanks again
Mike 14tp
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Are you descended from Martin ?
This is the best match for his birth on the BMD Index - district matches that for the census returns..
Name: Martin Egan
Registration district: Castlereagh
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1887
Volume: 4 / Page: 148
A research cert would give additional details, including mother's maiden name. I think with the discrepancy in ages, and possibly also the number of years married, it might be better to learn Bee's full name before searching for the marriage..
see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Hi Shane, wow I am impressed!
How did you manage to find that information? I have trawlled the websites without too much success.
Yes I am a grandson of Martin.
Really appreciate that, thanks again.
Is there any way I can obtain a copy of that certificate?
Best wishes
Mike14tp
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that result is on the Irish BMD Index on FamilySearch - the link is in the introduction topic in reply #1- also there are links about ordering certs in reply #3
Here's a link to the best fit for Martin's birth :
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBZ9-4ZX
luckily his age and hence calculated year of birth is a little more consistent than his father's.... so hopefully more accurate.
1901 census for reference : Egan household - Mullygollan townland (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Castleplunket/Mullygollan/1663297/)
Shane
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Hello Mike,
To supplement what Shane has contributed the age discrepancy may be due to the introduction of the Old Age Pension introduced New Years Day 1909 leading many to stretch their ages to qualify due to the lack of civil records to substantiate or deny claims.
The households in Mullygollan seem to have remained in the main the same in 1901 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qlr/ to what they were at the time of the Griffith Valuation in 1857 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qls/.
The Egan family head William may be the Father /Grandfather of your Michael but you will have to initially establish from the marriage certificate some supporting information.
Records for the parish in which Mullygollan falls in Tulsk(ogulla and Baslic) seem to date only from 1864.
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Hi Shane
That's fantastic!
Sorry I am not usually obtuse but I am struggling a bit to understand how to obtain a copy of the actual birth certificate? Sorry I am a bit long in the tooth and my computer skills only stretch so far! Do you think you could explain in words on one syllable how I achieve this?
Sorry to be a pain.
Thanks once again
Mike14tp
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have a read of just the first post in this link Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
The rest of the replies are just people discussing ordering certs.
Basically you download a form from the GRO, and print this out - see :
http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm
Fill out your details on this - i.e. name, address , credit card etc.
On a separate blank page write or type the references I gave - name, year/quarter etc
Also make sure to add a note that you require research certs, or photo copies. These should cost just €4 each, as no searching is required by the GRO if you give the correct references. You post the order to the GRO head office in Roscommon - the address in on the form.
S.
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Thanks so much Shane, I will do as you suggest and hopefully learn more.
Regards
Mike
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It think Bridget/Bee's maiden name may be Beirne - there's a possible marriage in 1873 that could fit, also two children to the couple - a William in 1875, and a possible match for Joseph born in 1880, who appears on the 1901 census...
see : Egan / Beirne children (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Aegan~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Amichael~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Abridget~%20%2Bmother_surname%3ABeirne~&collection_id=1584963)
keep a note of these in case Beirne (or a variant like Byrne) turns out to be correct for Bee's maiden name..
Shane
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Thanks Shane, all good stuff!
Mike
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Hello Mike,
Note your pm .
Rootsireland have a possible marriage in 1873 for the Egan/Beirne . There are twelve birth/baptismal records 1873-1887 attributed to a Michael Egan and a Beirne(variants included) . To manage expectations a l;ink to William will need to be made primarily from the marriage cert before you attempt to discover more about William.
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Hi padraig
Thanks for all your help. I will try and get copies of various certificates and see how I get on.
Best wishes
Mike