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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: LinnettW on Saturday 01 August 09 00:09 BST (UK)
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Help needed to find my grandmothers family. Thomas McQuade farmer and Elizabeth Bell from Killnean Westmeath. This information is on Elizabeth, my grandmothers marriage certificate in 1890 when she married here in Australia. Elizabeth left Ireland with her sister Alice and sailed on the Anglo Indian in 1883 for Brisbane, Qld, Australia. Can someone help me please.
LinnettW
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do you know Elizabeth's approximate year of birth ?
Full Civil Registration began in Ireland in 1864, so if she was born after that started you should find her in the Civil BMD registers. Familysearch have an online index to these available at : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
research certs can be ordered by post from the GRO using the index details - see their website at : www.groireland.ie
Shane
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Thank you Shane for your prompt reply and I didn't know about the 1864 start of civil registrations. However as grandmother was 23 on the ships list in 1883 and 22 when she married in 1890 I think I have a problem. Perhaps it wouldn't have been acceptable to be 6 years older than your husband. Will go and see if I can find her at Familysearch Thanks.
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On 6th July 1883 my grandmother Elizabeth McQuade and her sister Alice left Glasgow on the Anglo Indian bound for Brisbane Australia. An amazing fact is that the ship called at Cooktown and the two women would have been very happy to have reached land safely little knowing that in the years to come Elizabeths grand daughter would live there. They were the daughters of Elizabeth (Bell) and Thomas McQuade a farmer and were aged 29 and 23. Elizabeth aged 19 and Thomas aged 23 were married on 13.9.1851 at Taghmon Westmeath. Elizabeths father, Thomas Bell was also a farmer and there is a Thomas Bell farming on Sir Richard Levinges land. Possibly the girls father died as I found an Elizabeth McQuade (Bell) widow whose father was Thomas Bell marrying on 10.2.1866 Benjamin Rothwell aged 43 single. They had sons. Any information at all about the Bell, McQuade and, if they belong, the Rothwell families would be greatly appreciated.
LinnettW
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Hi there,
I take it that this is the family that you are talking about
rothwell / mcquade (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Killucan/Rathwire__Lower/1781530/)
Tara
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Defo looks like a good match
Here are some of her children with Benjamin
rothwell / bell children (https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Arothwell~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aireland~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Abenjamin~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Aelizabeth~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Abell~)
Tara
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McQuade's in 1911
thomas mcquade 1911 Irish Census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Westmeath/Killucan/Rathwire_Lower/884146/)
Tara
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This is the marriage of Thomas McQuade and Elizabeth Bell
mcquade / bell marriage (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGXB-R2Y)
Tara
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This is the marriage of Benjamin Rothwell and Elizabeth Bell McQuade
rothwell / mcquade marriage (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG8D-18R)
Tara
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This appears to be the death of Benjamin Rothwell
death of benjamin rothwell (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR1N-XT1)
Tara
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To Tara, my thanks for the information you have sent me about my McQuade/Rothwell families. It was thought that there were only the 2 girls in the McQuade family but no one knew of a brother. Then the 2nd marriage and 2 half brothers.l How good does it get.Thank you for your great help that has taken my tree a huge leap forward.
Regards,
LinnettW
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..................more than happy to have been able to help a bit !
Tara
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Since receiving the info about my McQuade/Bell/Rothwell family I have been able to do a timeline with a few gaps that I would like to fill. Thomas McQuades Snr death. Elizabeth Bell/McQuade/Rothwell and husband Benjamins eldest son Benjamins whereabouts. I found his brother William Andrew marrying in London in 1896 and the certificate says his father Benjamin (deceased) was a Police Sergeant. An interesting bit of information that needs to be followed through but I don't know where to start. In the 1901 Census Thomas McQuade Jnr and wife Anne have a daughter Elizabeth aged 2. In the 1911 Census they have a daughter Lillie aged 12 and it says children born 1, children living 1. Confused information being put down by Enumerator? All help appreciated.
LinnettW
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Thanks for the replies. Meath instead of Westmeath - a mistake. Comes with post New Year stress.
Firstly the Benj Rothwell aged 20 in the Constabulary is an unknown.
Eliza granted Letters of Admin to Benjamins estate. This will have to be followed up. Can you tell me where I should look/apply.
In a list of Probate notices. Probate of the will of Elizabeth Rothwell of Rathmire died 28.3.1908 was granted to Thomas McQuade Farmer. 77pounds 19shillings and 11pence.
So I have to find Benjamin Snrs will which may mention his son/sons. They would have been 10 and 8 years old.
Benjamin Jnr is still missing.
What did Benjamin Snr do for a living and why did son William Andrew say his father was a police sergeant in the census. Looks good or was he?
Thanks so much, its getting going again and I am very pleased.
Regards,
LinnettW
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Hi LinnettW,
just to note that, among my relatives (especially the Irish ones), Lily or Lillie as an abbreviation for Elizabeth seems quite common. I think it was an abbreviation for the childish pronunciation of "Lilibet".
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Thanks for the replies. Meath instead of Westmeath - a mistake. Comes with post New Year stress.
What did Benjamin Snr do for a living and why did son William Andrew say his father was a police sergeant in the census. Looks good or was he?
Regards,
LinnettW
Lynette
I think it is quite likely that Benjamin Rothwell married to Eliza McQuade Bell was in the RIC as there are about 50 entries in the Petty Session Books on FindMyPast from the 1850's to 1877 showing Benjamin Rothwell as the complainant. Example of some of the complaints/offences 1853 BR making a complaint against James Graham Blacksmith that he was drunk in the street of Moate 4th dec 1853. This complaint would have only been made by a member of the local police. I would think later complaints 1870's were
made in a personal capacity when he had retired.
annclare
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Thanks Dudley for sorting out Elizabeth as Lillie/Lilly/Lillibet. To Annclare. I think I agree with you that Benjamin Snr was a Policeman. Perhaps for interest I should try and look for his service record if indeed it has survived somewhere. Benjamin Jnr is proving to be a hard one and the above Elizabeth McQuade might lead to family in more recent times. Off on the search again.
My thanks. I think that RootsChat is excellent.
LinnettW