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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Carlow => Topic started by: Andy D on Saturday 08 September 12 09:10 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am tracing the tree on behalf of a friend and trying to gain information on a James Hopkins born 1879 County Carlow. He married Mary Toole I believe in 1899. They had 6 children, and I believe James may have remarried after the death of Mary. James and Mary resided in Cross Keys, Tullow in 1901. James occupation in 1902 was a labourer. But in 1923 he was a Policeman.
His son Nicholas Born 1908 married a Mary Dooley in 1937. Believe the Hopkins still reside in the Carlow area.
Regards
Andy
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not sure what sort of details you are looking for - but maybe the marriage of James would be a good place to start. There's a possible match on the BMD Index as follows :
Name: James Hopkins
Registration district: Carlow
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Apr-Jun 1900
Volume: 3 / Page: 227
A Mary Toole appears with the same references, so a possible bride to James...
see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
1901 census links for reference :
Hopkins household - Cross Keys townland (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Tullow/Cross_Keys/1044450/)
Have you located James on the 1911 return ?
Shane
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believe this is Mary and the children on the 1911 return - living at Barrack Street, Tullow.
Hopkins household - 1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tullow_Urban/Barrack_Street/312904/)
If James was a policeman by 1911, he would likely be listed under just his initials and should have been serving somewhere outside his native county..
Shane
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I too found the 1911 census with his family on, but I cant locate James either. The 1902 and 1923 occupations were passed to me off somebody tracing the same line too.
I did try a random search for James, maybe I need to do this as you advise out of the County.
Thanks again for the immediate replies.
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Hi there,
2 possible births for James
james hopkins b 1878 carlow (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG29-ZXS)
james hopkins b 1880 carlow (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPTF-QYD)
Hopefully one of these ties in with his marriage cert !
Tara
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Thanks for all your help.
Regards
Andy
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Hi Andy,
I am in the process of trying to find some information on my maternal family the Hopkins', and I have just come across your thread here. You are correct in saying some of the Hopkins still reside in Carlow as my mother was a Hopkins before she married.
What was the Outcome of your search and can you tell me anything more about Nicholas Hopkins father James, born in 1879?
Kind Regards
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Hi Andy, I have also just come across this record of the Baptism of James Hopkins in 1880
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/01a09d0012545
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Hello
Regarding "What was the Outcome of your search and can you tell me anything more about Nicholas Hopkins father James, born in 1879?" Nothing clarified yet. Interested in tracing the family of Nicholas Hopkins though. Are you connected to that tree?
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Hi,
Yes I am connected to that family tree of Nicholas Hopkins. My Uncle and I have been looking to see could we find any information about the family.
What is your own connection to the family?
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Hello
Will message you.
Regards
Andy
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No Problem, I look forward to it. Thanks.
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Please check your messages.
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Hi Andy, I am new to Rootschat, however I have logged in and checked my messages and there are none?!
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James Hopkins of Tullow born Sept 25, 1878, bap at Tullow parish jan 12 1879...son of Nicholas Hopkins (b1828), a cooper who married margt McWilliams (his housekeeper) in 1872. They had a large family. Nick's father was Benjamin, a farmer and possibly cooper also.
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Are you part of this family tree also Ross?
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Hi,
I am part of a very large Hopkins family (Protestants mostly) who started in the townland of Strathnakelly in County Wicklow. There are many branches, but I do not know if and how your group fits in. They all appear to have been coopers by trade and lived in and around Tullow in Co. Carlow. There were other Hopkins who were also coopers so they were likely related.
Nicholas Hopkins (1828-1913) was James father and a Benjamin Hopkins was the grandfather.
All this from a Gregg Family Tree.
Where do you fit in?
Part of the Strathnakelly group lived north of there in Kill.
Let me know what you have and how you fit in and I will see if I can help with what I have.
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Hi Ross,
If you look at Andy D's original post at the beginning of this Thread:
"I am tracing the tree on behalf of a friend and trying to gain information on a James Hopkins born 1879 County Carlow. He married Mary Toole I believe in 1899. They had 6 children, and I believe James may have remarried after the death of Mary. James and Mary resided in Cross Keys, Tullow in 1901. James occupation in 1902 was a labourer. But in 1923 he was a Policeman.
His son Nicholas Born 1908 married a Mary Dooley in 1937. Believe the Hopkins still reside in the Carlow area".
The last line mentions Nicholas who married Mary Dooley in 1937. This couple were my grandparents. The line Andy mentions above is the one I am Interested in. I am not sure of where this group fits in with yours...
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Thanks for reply.
Here is what I have James and Mary married May 11, 1900
His father was Nicholas Hopkins, a cooper, and his mother was Margaret McWilliams (2nd wife)
Nick's father was also a cooper I believe and was named Benjamin
Anything you have would be most appreciated. Do you know Bob Hopkins of River House, Kilkenny. He descends from Nicholas Hopkins by his 1st wife Jane Gregg.
Can you give me your tree back to your grandparents? Do you know any direct male Hopkins descendants? A DNA test would see if your Tullow Hopkins were part of the Wicklow group.
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Hello,
As I stated I am interested in tracing the children of Nicholas and Mary Dooley.
Regards
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Hi Andy,
My grandparents Nicholas Hopkins and Mary Dooley had six children, one of whom is my own parent. I can help you out, if you private message me here we can chat further.
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for the benefit of anyone who may be researching the other James Hopkins born 1880 son of James and Ellen Smith
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPTF-QYD
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Tullowbeg/Abbey_Street/1044777/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tullow_Urban/Abbey_Street/312866/
Guinness Archives has James a Cooper same date of birth joining 11th April 1913 age 33 and deceased on Christmas day 1917 his death does not seem to be registered.
http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/GenealogySearchDetails.aspx?eid=13097
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marriages
James Hopkins and Mary Toole 1900
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=c-356-3-1-025
Nicholas Hopkins and Margaret McWilliams 1872
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=c-356-3-1-018
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Timothy Toole and Johanna Londrigan/Lundrigan
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Tullow/Cross_Keys/1044449/
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Thanking you, I will . and check when I get a minute to research this tree again.
Thanking you.
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I am a descendant of James Hopkins and Mary Toole, to my knowledge James left for US with his brother mid 1900s, I traced back a few generations beyond James but don't have it to hand right now , will postagain over weekend.
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I had researched James Hopkins based on stories my Mam told me and found a match for James travelling to his brother John in Rochester NY (1908). The stories mention James becoming high ranked in police there, she would love of this could be confirmed and to make contact with descendants. Any pointers appreciated.
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Is anyone making any progress on these lines?
James Hopkins C1836) married Ellen Smith in 1864. Who were his parents?
Are there any direct male Hopkins descendants who have done a DNA test?
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Fathers names
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGFR-WHF
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Hello, I am related to Margaret McWilliams who was the sister of my gggrandfather John Heny McWilliams who moved to Birkenhead, Cheshire some time in the 1870's (I am also a McWilliams). I have a copy of her marriage from the Irish records:- Margaret married Nicholas HOPKINS on 20th May 1872 in the Church of Tullow, Tullow, County Carlow, Ireland according to the Rites & Ceremonies of the Church of Ireland. Information from the marriage certificate:-
Margaret McWILLIAMS, of full age, spinster, a Servant, living in the Parish of Tullow, daughter of Robert McWILLIAMS, a Post-Man &c, married Nicholas HOPKINS, of full age, widower, a Cooper living in the Parish of Tullow, son of Ben HOPKINS, a Farmer.
The marriage was witnessed by John CARROLL & Richard MEREDITH.
I also have copies of the birth/death entries of their 10 children. This is the entry for James: James HOPKINS born 23rd September 1878 in The Mullawn, Tullow, Carlow, son of Nicholas HOPKINS of The Mullawn, Tullow, a Cooper, & Margaret HOPKINS formerly McWILLIAMS, registered by Margaret HOPKINS, mother, residing in Tullow on 25th October 1878.
The baptism from the church records: James born 25th September 1878, son of Nicholas and Margaret HOPKINS. Abode: Mullawn, Tullow, Carlow; father’s occupation – Cooper. Baptized 12th January 1879.
I have the following marriage from the Irish records:
11th May 1900 at St. Columba’s Church, Tullow, County Carlow, Ireland according to the Rites & Ceremonies of the Church of Ireland.
James HOPKINS, of full age, bachelor, a Cooper, living at ?, Tullow, son of Nicholas HOPKINS, a Cooper, married Mary TOOLE, of full age, spinster, living in Clure Street, Tullow, daughter of Timothy TOOLE, 4 Sergeant R.I.C.?
The marriage was witnessed by James HOPKINS & Margaret HOPKINS.
And this concerns Timothy Toole: Timothy TOOLE, born in Queens County, married, enlisted in the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1866, aged 19.
(Source: The Royal Irish Constabulary 1816 – 1921 on the Ancestry.com website).
Queens County was the former name of County Laois.
Looking at the 1901 census, taken on 31st March 1901, for Crosskeys, Tullow, James & Mary were living in Mary’s father’s household:-
Timothy TOOLE Head Roman Catholic 56 Police Pensioner RIC Queens County
Johanna TOOLE Wife Roman Catholic 54 House Keeper County Tipperary
Timothy TOOLE Son Roman Catholic 19y 6m Labourer County Carlow
Thomas TOOLE Son Roman Catholic 17y 3m Labourer County Carlow
Michael TOOLE Son Roman Catholic 14y 6m Labourer County Carlow
James TOOLE Son Roman Catholic 10y 4m Scholar County Carlow
James HOPKINS Head Church of England 22 Cooper County Carlow
Mary HOPKINS Wife Roman Catholic 24 House Keeper County Carlow
Mary HOPKINS Daur Roman Catholic 2y 1m County Carlow
In 1911 James wasn’t at home but Mary was not a widow either so perhaps he was working elsewhere, perhaps England.
The 1911 census for Barrack Street, Tullow, taken 2nd April 1911:-
Mary HOPKINS Head Roman Catholic 36 Seamstress County Carlow
Mary HOPKINS Daur Roman Catholic 11 Scholar County Carlow
Margaret HOPKINS Daur Roman Catholic 9 Scholar County Carlow
Sarah HOPKINS Daur Roman Catholic 8 Scholar County Carlow
James HOPKINS Son Roman Catholic 6 County Carlow
Annie HOPKINS Daur Roman Catholic 5 County Carlow
Nicholas HOPKINS Son Roman Catholic 3 County Carlow
John TOOLE Broth.Roman Catholic 34 Labourer County Carlow
Mary had been married for 12 years with 7 children born alive, 6 of which were still living.
I hope this helps with your search.
Tony McWilliams
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Thanks very much Tony, this confirms that I traced the correct family.
I wonder where James was in 1911 then?
Regards
Andy
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Hi Andy, I am a descendant of James's first daughter Mary, I believe James left Ireland following his brother to the USA. I have copy of passenger list supporting this but never succeeded in finding out what happened to him.
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Uncle Jack Hopkins came to America to join his older sisters Sarah, Anna, and Margaret Susan Hopkins, my grandmother. The sisters came to Rochester, New York. Uncle Jack became the first State Trooper of New York State. I can send you a picture. My grandmother Margaret Susan, born in 1885 in County Carlow, took the Oceanic to New York in 1903. I was named after both my grandmother, Margaret, and my great-grandmother, Margaret McWilliams.
There are several other descendants in the Rochester area who are interested in the genealogy. One of them started a group in the nineteen-nineties called "The Daughters of Margaret".
My sisters and I are traveling to Ireland, and Carlow, in late June and early July 2017. We hope to find the house at 7 the Course, Tullow, where the family lived. We hope to find the grave of Margaret McWilliams and Nicholas Hopkins.
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Margaret McWilliams was my great-grandmother. Her daughter Margaret Hopkins left Ireland as the third of a chain migration in the early nineteen hundreds. Her brother Jack Hopkins was the first state trooper of New York state, he liked to say, since he was the first man sworn-in of the first graduating class of New York State troopers. As a wee lass I loved to hear the siblings talk in their lilting brogue. Uncle Jack had two wives, also, and his first daughter, Peggy Hopkins drove cross country in the nineteen-fifties through the Columbia Gap to become a social working in Tacoma, Washington. I enjoyed her stories and family tales before she died a few years ago, in Tacoma.
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Hello everyone,
I am sorry that I am so long in following up, but I have not been too active in this branch for a while. Yes Peggy, I would be most interested in getting in touch with your family in the New York State area. For starters, could you fill in the lineage that takes you back to Margaret McWilliams.
My records show that her husband Nicholas Hopkins was born in 1828, and that he had been previously married. His father was a Benjamin Hopkins who was a farmer. Does anyone know where his farm was? Does Wexford or Garryhasten ring any bells? Did Nicholas have any siblings? A Benjamin Hopkins was baptised at Clonegal in 1801...parents Robert Hopkins and Jane Gough...could this be Nich's father?
My specific interest is to find out how your ancestor Benjamin would possibly be related to the larger Hopkins family who were centred in the County Wicklow area, but had Carlow relatives living at Ballybit north of Tullow near Rathvilly. They descend from a William Hopkins (c1765???) who I "believe" was a son of a John Hopkins of Strathnakelly near Shillelagh.
If anyone can add further light on the Carlow Hopkins/Wicklow Hopkins link it would be most appreciated.
Are there ANY LIVING MALE HOPKINS who would be interested in doing a DNA test. This would prove the link and maybe help us identify at which generation it was .
Please post replies to this link to keep the stream going but I would appreciate getting an email copy at (*)
Good hunting
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I just joined this site so bear with me. My father was John (Jack) Hopkins and brother of James Hopkins. Their parents were Nicholas and Margaret Mc Williams Hopkins. My Father joined his sisters in America in 1907. I remember hearing about his brother Jim who disappeared one night leaving his wife Anna . I don't know how many children they had but know they had a daughter Lucille . They lived in Napanoch NY near where we lived but the family later moved back to Chicago after he disappeared i think that was about 1942? I was a very small child when he disappeared and don't remember him. One thing I do know is my father never heard from him again or knew what happened to him. My father died in 1963 and my sister Peg (Margaret)Hopkins died in 2001. I am hoping I can learn more about my ancestors and also other relatives. Do I have any Hopkins kin in Tullow? I know I probably have relatives in Rochester NY where my Aunts settled. Am wondering when my Gradfather Nicholas Hopkins died? My Father hoped he would live to be 100 like his Father. Unfortunately he didn't make it.
Linn Hopkins Ardner in Temecula, CA
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for reference some birth's
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kkv/
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Barbara Jane Hopkins born 1891 to Nicholas and Margaret McWilliams
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02387/1890708.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Tullow/Church_Street/1044436/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tullow_Urban/The_Course/313142/
1913
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNPF-3NL
looks she left shortly after her fathers death on 8th Jan 1913
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05342/4487772.pdf
the informant was a Mary A Neill who was probably a neighbour who most likely would not have known his true age
possibly the wife here
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tullow_Urban/The_Course/313139/
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Anne Elizabeth Hopkins born 1880
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPT6-7VV
was the informant for her mothers death in 1894
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05949/4690459.pdf
possible immigration 1899
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JXZ9-LPG
and 1905
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JFQJ-229
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I just joined this site so bear with me. My father was John (Jack) Hopkins and brother of James Hopkins. Their parents were Nicholas and Margaret Mc Williams Hopkins. My Father joined his sisters in America in 1907. I remember hearing about his brother Jim who disappeared one night leaving his wife Anna . I don't know how many children they had but know they had a daughter Lucille . They lived in Napanoch NY near where we lived but the family later moved back to Chicago after he disappeared i think that was about 1942? I was a very small child when he disappeared and don't remember him. One thing I do know is my father never heard from him again or knew what happened to him. My father died in 1963 and my sister Peg (Margaret)Hopkins died in 2001. I am hoping I can learn more about my ancestors and also other relatives. Do I have any Hopkins kin in Tullow? I know I probably have relatives in Rochester NY where my Aunts settled. Am wondering when my Gradfather Nicholas Hopkins died? My Father hoped he would live to be 100 like his Father. Unfortunately he didn't make it.
Linn Hopkins Ardner in Temecula, CA
:o :o :o
If this turns out to be the same James Hopkins (my great grandfather) then the following may be a shock to you...
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Tullow/Cross_Keys/1044450/
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I saw the information from Linn Hopkins Ardner regarding James Hopkins of Tullow. He was born Sept 25 1878 and was married to a Mary Toole on May 11, 1900 at Tullow. They had a number of children and are listed on the Irish Census of 1901 and 1911. I know nothing of him going to the US or having a wife "Anna"
Would be interested in any clarifications.
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This would be a obvious case for DNA.
From what I can see. James of the 1901 census in Tullow was a cooper and there is indeed a cooper called James Hopkins, married, from Tullow, father Nicholas, estimated year of birth 1880, going to Rochester on the Teutonic in 1908.
I don't see James on the 1911 census in Ireland. Was he staying elsewhere?
'A' James, father of Lucille, married (about 1916 or 17) to 'Annie' appears on the 1930 Federal census in Chicago. He has five children, including Lucille. This man does not have a trade, or at least is not working as a cooper, rather peddling vegetables.
The same James appears to be in the 1920 Federal census, (Chicago) with Annie and three sons. He works as a labourer.
The 1920 James gives his naturalisation as 1917.
A James Hopkins is naturalised and his documents list him as from 'Carlow'.
His date of birth of the naturalisation documents is given as 27 September 1879.
In the petition (1918) he lists himself as not married.
In the declaration (1921) he lists himself as married to Anna and with a number of children, including Lucille.
Most interesting. I suppose the thing to look for would be a marriage cert. in the US for this James Hopkins and his Anna - to rule things in or out. The main thing I would find unusual is that a skilled man like a cooper took work as a labourer (if indeed they are the same person).
**edit A search for one of the sons, Terence Francis Hopkins, shows a mother's name as Anne Dunn.
There is a marriage in Cook County Illinois between a James Hopkins and an Annie Dunne on 3 Sep 1918. I guess that would be the cert to chase up to see if parents' names are mentioned.
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Saunders News-Letter 1866
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on the 23rd Aug at Mount Vernon Westchester New York
by the Rev. Mr Coffey
Isaac Haddock of New York to Sarah Ann, daughter of Mr John Hopkins
Clonegal Carlow
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Irish Times 1962
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The engagement is announced between
William John-elder son of Mr and Mrs W Hopkins, Nurney Carlow
and Phyllis Elizabeth Mary
eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs T Salter, Raheen House Ballon Carlow
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Jack
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Very interesting note on Sarah Hopkins, daughter of John Hopkins of Clonegal.
If she married in 1866, I would guess she was born circa 1846.
The only John Hopkins I can find in Clonegal at that time would be John Perrin Hopkins, born 1831. I was told he had only one child...a son.
Any further information would be most appreciated.
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I was just reading through the last few posts & was thinking that if James Hopkins sailed for New York on the “Teutonic” in 1908, then that might explain why I can’t find him on the 1911 census or anywhere else.
Perhaps he left his wife Mary and their children & went to try his luck in the USA & didn’t return. He might have pretended that he wasn’t already married & then married Ann(i)e Dunn(e) in Illinois in 1918.
This is just speculation of course.
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the posts about the descendants of my great-great-aunt Margaret McWilliams & her husband Nicholas & would very much enjoy to hear more about their children which settled in the US.
Tony McWilliams, Frankfurt, Germany
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James did travel to the US (passenger records confirm) but his wife Mary passed away before he remarried. An attempt was made to have at least one of his children join him but this was effectively blocked on religious grounds.
A turbulent time to be in Ireland and we are only emerging from its dark days of religious rule in my lifetime.
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I’ve been doing some more research on the Hopkins & Toole families & thought I’d share what I've found out.
James’ wife Mary was born in 1874 in Clonegal, Shillelagh, County Wicklow.
Mary TOOLE born 1st December 1874 in Clonegal, Shillelagh, Wicklow, daughter of Timothy TOOLE of Clonegal, a Sub Constable R.I.C., & Johanna TOOLE formerly LONDERGAN, registered by Timothy TOOLE, father, residing in Clonegal on 7th December 1874.
Her parents were Timothy Toole & Johanna Londergan / Lonnergan / Lonergan / Lundrigan who married in Tipperary. I have found conflicting marriage records.
Timothy TOOLE and Johanna LONNERGAN were married on 15th November 1871 by the very Rev. William Canon Hall(?) in Clonoulty, County Tipperary. They were living in Cappamurragh.
There is however also the following possible match. It is possible that the marriage in 1871 was formally registered in 1873 as the following are from the civil registers: Name: Timothy TOOLE & Johanna LONERGAN, Date of Event: 1873, SR District/Reg Area: Cashel, Returns Year: 1873, Returns Quarter: 1, Returns Volume No: 13, Returns Page No: 347.
Timothy’s police records have the following marriage date: 5 July 1873. He joined the R.I.C. aged 19 in 1866 in Tipperary & was posted to County Carlow a few months later where he remained until his death as a retired police sergeant in 1901.
Timothy TOOLE death 18th July 1901 in Tullow, Carlow, married, aged 57, a Police Pensioner, Cause of Death: Heart disease, 3 years, registered by Thomas TOOLE, son present at death, residing in Tullow on 24th July 1901.
His wife died in 1907:
Johanna TOOLE death 19th November 1907 in Tullow, Carlow, widow, aged 54, a Policeman’s widow, Cause of Death: Apoplexy, 13 days, registered by Thomas TOOLE, son present at death, residing in Tullow on 20th November 1907.
It is odd that their 1st child should be born in Clonegal, Shillelagh but perhaps they had temporary lodgings there. Their other 6 children were all born in Tullow (John 1877, Timothy 1879, Thomas 1881, Michael 1883, Anastatia 1887 - died shortly after, James Christopher 1890).
I have located all 7 of the children of James Hopkins & Mary Toole which ties in with the 1911 census (7 children born alive, 6 of which were still living).
Looking at the 1901 Census James & Mary’s eldest child, Mary, was aged 11 so she must have been born in 1899. James & Mary married in May 1900 so clearly Mary‘s daughter would have to be illegitimate & this is the reason that no registration for a birth of a Mary HOPKINS can be found. She was in fact registered as Mary TOOLE. Whether James was the father is unknown.
1) Mary TOOLE born 17th February 1899 in Tullow, Carlow, daughter of Mary TOOLE, registered by Eliza POWER,
nurse, present at birth in Tullow on 20th February 1899.
2) James HOPKINS born 16th October 1900 in Tullow, Carlow, son of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Cooper, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by James HOPKINS, father, residing in Tullow on 5th November 1900.
James died aged 18 days.
James HOPKINS death 3rd November 1900 in Tullow, Carlow, aged 18 days, a Cooper’s child, Cause of Death: Weakness from Birth, registered by James HOPKINS, father present at death, residing in Tullow on 5th November 1900.
3) Margaret HOPKINS born 3rd January 1902 in Tullow, Carlow, daughter of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Labourer, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by Mary HOPKINS (her mark), mother, residing in Tullow on 17th January 1902.
4) Sarah HOPKINS born 17th March 1903 in Tullow, Carlow, daughter of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Cooper, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by Johannah TOOLE (her mark), present at birth in Tullow on 17th April 1903.
Johannah TOOLE is probably Mary’s mother.
5) James HOPKINS born 26th June 1904 in Carlow Workhouse, Carlow, son of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Cooper, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by W PELLORROW, Occupier, Workhouse on 28th July 1904.
It is unknown why James was born in the Workhouse.
6) Annie HOPKINS born 31st May 1906 in Tullow, Carlow, daughter of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Labourer, & May HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by May HOPKINS, mother, residing in Tullow on 13th June 1906.
7) Nicholas HOPKINS born 10th January 1908 in Tullow, Carlow, son of James HOPKINS of Tullow, a Labourer, & Mary HOPKINS formerly TOOLE, registered by May HOPKINS, mother, residing in Tullow on 21st February 1908.
I have not been able to find Mary’s death in the records but it must have been after the 1911 census & before James remarried in the U.S.
Perhaps someone can help me find her death? Any other information would also be fascinating to hear.
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Policemen were bound by certain criteria.
While helping someone else here on RChat i came across a few rules sorry i cant find them now however most policemen had to get permission to marry and they had to produce a certain amount of money before marriage to prove they could keep up payment of rent etc to sustain a family,most single men lived in Barrack's and shared their expences with each other as their wages were not very good though it was a pensionable job.
Also policemen could'nt serve in his or his wife's native county.
Some of the above could explain the 2 marriages i e permission needed before recognition of marriage.
edited to add
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kgn/
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Interesting that in 1917 a Mary Hopkins age 32 a widow died in Tullow Hosp
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05213/4442076.pdf
1911 census only has your Mary living in Tullow
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tullow_Urban/Barrack_Street/312904/
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1866 to 1873 7 years the length of time an R I C constable would have to serve before gaining permission to marry.
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Thanks for the tip about the 7 year rule Dathai. I found some more information on the R.I.C. Code on the Royal Irish Constabulary which was very interesting. I expect that Timothy & Johanna would have had to try to keep their marriage in 1871 a secret.
Re: Mary Hopkins' death in 1917, I can't find a match with any of my family so I don't know who she was. And none of the oher Mary's match James' wife. It's all a bit odd.
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James Hopkins of Tullow was a son of Nicholas Hopkins and Margaret McWilliams.
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Hello Ross,
I posted that information on Sunday 03 January together with other information concerning the Hopkins & Toole families....
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I have just joined this site after a discussion with my father Eric Hopkins and a quick google search concerning our ancestors in Tullow County Carlow and the United States. Eric's father (my grandfather) was Benjamin Hopkins a cooper with the Guinness brewery, son of Robert also a cooper, and grandson of Nicholas by his first marriage. My dad was really surprised and delighted to see a post from Jack's daughter. We have old letters/correspondence between Jack and his older half brother Robert (my great grandfather) who Jack refers to in his letters as Bob . Jack was planning a trip to Ireland in 1947 to meet his half brother Bob Hopkins in County Dublin. Bob had arranged to meet Jack at a railway station and Jack was going to wear a red rose in his lapel, so they would recognise each other. However, a later letter arrived from Jack to say he had to abandon his trip to Ireland due to medical issues relating to his stomach. Contact was then lost as Robert Hopkins died in late 1947. Although we have found a subsequent letter addressed to my father's aunt Charlotte Hopkins, Robert's youngest daughter dated 1949. My father Eric did attempt to make contact with his relatives in the late 1970's in upstate New York (pre the internet age) via a phone book when he was visiting there but failed.
We would love to hear from Jack's relatives. My father has fond memories as a little boy of the excitement when letters and packages arrived, gifts from Uncle Jack to his half brother, cigars and tobacco in coloured canisters which were impossible to get in post war Ireland.
It would be lovely to hear from any of our relatives as my father has a keen interest in his ancestry.
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Hello Sarah, I knew that Nicholas was a widower when he married Margaret McWilliams but it never occurred to me that he might have had children from his 1st marriage.
Do you have his wife's name & when they married? It looks like her first name was Jane if my research is correct.
I have found the following birth/baptisms:
Robert, b. 26th March 1861, bap. 14th April 1861, son of Nicholas (a Cooper) & Jane, Tullow
Rebecca, b. 18th April 1863, bap. 10th May 1863, dr. of Nicholas (a Cooper) & Jane, Tullow
Mary Jane, b. 26th July 1865, bap. 13th Aug. 1865, dr. of Nicholas (a Cooper) & Jane, Tullow
Charlotte, b. 5th Sept. 1867, bap. 13th Oct. 1867, dr. of Nicholas (a Cooper) & Jane, Tullow
Are these people your great grandfather & great-great aunts?
I found the death of a Jane Hopkins in County Carlow, aged 34, 1870, 4th Quarter, Vol. 18. P. 295. That would place a birth around 1836.
I would be interested in any information you can add.
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In Hackestown cemetery is a headstone..
erected by William Hopkins in memory of his brother
Guard Benjamin Hopkins, died Easter Saturday Holy Year
his father-Thomas Hopkins-11/8/1936
his mother-Bridget-2/7/1939
William Hopkins-Eagle Hill-20/1/1977 (aged 80)
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Sorry for the long delay in responding and thank you for the tombstone inscription...
erected by William Hopkins in memory of his brother
Guard Benjamin Hopkins, died Easter Saturday Holy Year
his father-Thomas Hopkins-11/8/1936
his mother-Bridget-2/7/1939
William Hopkins-Eagle Hill-20/1/1977 (aged 80)
Thomas Hopkins of Eaglehill was born circa 1852...his father was a Benjamin Hopkins c1817-1883 and his mother was Margaret Unknown c1817-1882.
Benjamin and Margaret also had daughters Margaret circa 1837 and Elizabeth circa 1838, neither of whom were married in 1901, when they lived with their brother Michael at Eaglehill.
Thomas married Bridget Whelan Feb 1 1898 at Hacketstown RC
If anyone has any information on this family and how they were connected with the other Hopkins (mostly Protestant) of Co. Carlow and Co. Wicklow I would be most interested.
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This is Peggy Lynn Sherrell (Hopkins) checking in with the Hopkins clan of Tullow, County Carlow. Since 2017 there have been transatlantic meetings of these kins. Linn actually located some descendants of the elusive James, and included them on Facebook. Still many mysteries to solve.
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I have some more information about Nicholas Hopkins, cooper of Tullow, James' father that I pieced together when reconstructing all the Hopkins families around Clonegal. I used the St. Fiaac's parish registers (see http://issuu.com/churchofireland/docs/clonegal_ferns) to trace all the baptisms, marriages and burials for Hopkins in the area and found the following evidence for Nicholas Hopkins [1826-1913]
Nicholas was baptised under his mother's maiden name on 27 AUG 1826 a week before his parents, Benjamin Hopkins of Garryhasten and Mary White married on 3 SEP 1826.
Nicholas was also linked to his father by a shared profession - cooper - and also by the fact that I believe one of Nicholas's daughters (with wife Margaret McWilliams), Mary Jane Hopkins born in Tullow 1858, died (probably whilst visiting her grandparents at Garryhasten) in 1861 as she was buried in St. Fiaac's graveyard in Clonegal.
Nicholas appeared to have moved to the parish of Tullow away from his Garryhasten siblings. There may have been other Hopkins family connections in this area as the name is prevalent in the parish registers and there was another man - James Hopkins - working as a cooper in Tullowbeg. It is possible that the Nicholas Hopkins I've found in Tullow could have been a sibling of this man, but for the time being, I'm persuaded by the other evidence I've found that there is a good connection between this man and the Garryhasten Hopkins.
Nicholas also appeared to have been a prolific sire - fathering 17 children with 2 different wives (1. Jane Gregg and 2. Margaret McWilliams) between the ages of 28 and 65(!) given his presumed 1826 birthdate. However, later evidence for him (censuses and presumed death certificate) has his birthdate wandering quite alarmingly over nearly a 20 year period!
- 1901 census has him aged 60 and ba 1841 in Co. Wexford - this record corroborates him being a widower and cooper living at the Course, Tullow with 2 of his children by 2nd wife, Margaret.
- 1911 census has him aged 89 and ba 1822 in Co, Carlow, yet still living at the Course and as a widower cooper with his youngest daughter, Barbara.
- 1913 death candidate has him aged 76 and ba 1837, widower cooper dying in Tullow.
It could of course be 2 different men named Nicholas Hopkins who happened to be coopers in the Tullow area but I think the other corroborating evidence makes it more likely it is one and the same man.
Given I think he was the son of Benjamin Hopkins and Mary White of Garryhasten, I have also gone back a few more generations as follows (full citations recorded but some of the evidence is circumstantial e.g. shared graves, as the records for St. Fiaac's only date from 1792.)
I think that his father Benjamin Hopkins [1801-1884] was the son of Robert Hopkins [1762-1839] and his wife Jane (no marriage found yet.) Benjamin was one of 7 siblings, two of whom had Gough as their middle name so this is perhaps a clue to their mother's maiden name - I haven't proved this yet? Benjamin, like his son, also married twice - secondly to Margaret Doyle in 1842. He had 3 sons with Mary White and 7 further children with Margaret Doyle.
Robert Hopkins was the son of Nicholas Hopkins [?-1787] and his wife, Sarah Brown [1735-1802] and was buried with them in St. Fiaac's churchyard. I descend from Robert's presumed sister, Susannah Hopkins [1773-1844] who married a William Hopkins [1768-1809] According to William's will, he had 2 brothers, Benjamin and Edward Hopkins both of Ballard Co. Wicklow, so perhaps she married a cousin?
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Thank You Rufy G. I will have to dig out the Eire map and locate these places. The names, of course, are familiar. We grew up with the jests that our great-grandfather Hopkins was a prolific sire. Actually that came from my Dad, not a Hopkins. In the conformity of the post-war fifties, the ideal of nuclear family with one spouse for life held sway. Some realists were wont to poke some holes in that rigid stereotype.
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Hello,
As I stated I am interested in tracing the children of Nicholas and Mary Dooley.
Regards
Hi Andy D.
I have some new information which may be of interest to you about the children of Nicholas Hopkins and Mary Dooley. I have tried to reach you privately via message. I would really appreciate your response.
Many thanks
Ismis
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I have just revisited this thread and am wondering if it is still "alive".
Everyone please respond and I will add some new "mysteries" about the name "Gough".
This is a bit jumbled but maybe we will be able to make some sense of it?
In St Fiaacs 1800 there is a baptism of William Gough, the parents being Robert Hopkins and Jane alias Abbott. " This from the online transcription of the Register. Although the child is listed as "William Gough" in that transcription, and the father is still listed as Robert Hopkins, the mother being Jane Gough (alias Abbott”). This would suggest that the couple were not married, and that Jane had the maiden (or married) name of Abbott. Perhaps William was a son of a previous marriage. of Jane or perhaps he was illegitimate
William Hopkins was born at Raheengraney in Clonegal Parish to Robert and Jane Hopkins. Raheengraney is next to Garryhasten. Robert and Jane baptized 2 children while at Raheegraney and then appear to have moved to Clonegal, where they baptized 2 more children.
I have lost my notes, but I "believe" Jane might have been a Gough.
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Still "live" 😊