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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: yvan on Saturday 15 September 12 06:55 BST (UK)
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Hello
I am from France and doing genealogy researches for my own.
Traditionally, my family keep in mind they came from Ireland (probably Kilkenny) to France in the 15 or 16th century (I found ancestors in France in 1595 but not earlier).
They were named Woodbine but I found no records in census.
I saw a Woodbine avenue but could not find any information about the reason why.
Is there anybody having some or able to give me some clues ?
thanks a lot
Yvan
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Nobody has some information?
I spent many jours on the Internet and did not find anything but may be is there here some people from Kilkenny knowing a few ?
It would be really helpful for me as I am stopped in my researches.
Yvan
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Are you sure about the spelling of the family name? I did a quick search on the Ancestors part of the Irish Times website (link below). It says no Woodbine households in 19th century Ireland.
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/
I also did a quick search on rootsireland.ie , the website of the Irish Family History Foundation. It returned zero records for the surname Woodbine.
Sorry I haven't better news for you.
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Hello,
Thank you for your answer.
Yes, I am nearly sure of that spelling. I found a few Woodbine in 19th century around Dublin but not in the Kilkenny area. But i found a Woodbine avenue in Kilkenny (near the castle center) and hope there is a local reason for that.
I also found some information on Woodbine saying they came from scotland and settled in Ireland (http://surnames.meaning-of-names.com/genealogy/woodbine/ ).
About my ancestors, they surely came to France in 15th century (last found in France is now from 1560....) so Iwon't be able to find a lot on them.
But if they were enough illustrious may be I may have some chance...
That is the reason I look for information about that Woodbine avenue, its reason and some clues to pursue my researches.
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I think that basing your search on places with Woodbine in their name may not be very fruitful. There are a lot of placenames in Ireland with Woodbine in them. You can search for them on the following link
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer
I believe a lot of those placenames are fairly recent and probably refer to the plant (also known as honeysuckle). If you search on the link you can click on the 25" map (late 19th century) and the 6" map (mid-19th century I think) to see if the name goes back that far.
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Thanks again Dermo !
Unfortunately I did not find other way ti continue my research as no archivs in Ireland seem easily available regarding 15th-17th centuries.
It is really disappointing to be locked that way as I really wanted to find a proof of our Irish ascendancy.
So I believe I will be stopped in France just before if I do not find any solution.
thanks a lot anyway for your help !!
and if any has some clues or ideas, please email me at *
Yvan
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There are Woodbine (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Awoodbine%7E&birth_place1=8%2CIreland) births in Ireland on www.familysearch.org from the 1800s which would reflect availability of records rather than implying they did not exist before that date.
Note the name was also spelt with a y
There are a few other variations Woodborn, Woodburn, etc. some of which are still around
Woodbine in Ireland is another name for the plant honeysuckle
Many place names would relate to the plant
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Hello,
thanks myluck.
Yes and I also found some ones in 1700+ here:
Woodbine baptisms, marriages & burials (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=&namel=woodbine&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&diocese=&parish=¢ury=1700&decade=&sort=&pageSize=100&ddB=&mmB=&yyB=&ddM=&mmM=&yyM=&ddD=&mmD=&yyD=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=&submit=Search) (IrishGenealogy)
I did not know Woodburn or Woodborn were variants, thinking they were different names only.
about the avenue in Kilkenny, I was confirmed by the town it is only due to wildlife. So I have to find some other clues...
I don't know if it will be possible for 15th century.
Moderator Note - Link Shrunk
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Thanks for the link moderator !
;D
for those interested by the Irish / English settlements in Anjou, I found some interesting names in french archives (available on the web):
Butler O'Madden, O'Connor, Island, James, Ham, Illand, Alland, Blind, Armstrong, Harry, Hartmann, Horny, Davy, Blackstoch, Jarry, Killer, Killial, Helfisher
these are only those I found by chance and having not been much transformed by french pronunciation (remember that they usually wrote the names as they heard them...like mine Woobdine -> Houdebine)
If someone is interested, contact me to have some archives web links.
Regards,
Yvan H.
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Hi there,
I am from a Woodbine family. My sister has spoken to my uncle 'Derek G Woodbine' and he seems to think we are from French descendants. My grandfather Alfred Woodbine was from Sheffield UK and my father (his son) 'Norman Alfred Woodbine' lived in Wellingborough, Northamptonshire UK. Is this of any help? Look on http://home.ancestry.co.uk/ under Woodbine.
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Welcome Woody01
Just to mention that yvan who started this topic has not been online since 2012 but will get a notification that you posted
Your link will also help others looking at the name Woodbine
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Hello !
Yes I don't come here as I have many other researchs to do here in France.
About the french family part I found 2 main branches: one in Anjou (seems to be the oldest in France and another one in Beauce (region south of Paris).
For the 1st one, I found some people as far as second mid of XVI century and for the second to the beginning of XVII century if I remember well.
About the Irish/scotish/English connection I had no way to find anything written as no docs exists before this time for "common" people. But I am still nearly sure a settlement in Anjou.
About your ancestry Alfred, if you can have more information, I can help you for your french researches as I have begun to make a "complete" tree of all french part (trying to assembly them in a single complete one as possible).
Sincerly yours
yvan Houdebine
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Hi Yvan,
Take a look at this site and see if you can trace anything back to the France Woodbines?
George Woodbine: http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/17329417/person/28459048667/story
George Woodbine was born about 1723, in Crownthorpe, Norfolk. He married Elizabeth Banyard on October 30, 1754. They had four children in 16 years.
Robert Woodbine: http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/17329417/person/28459045877/story
When Robert Woodbine was born in 1787 in Wicklewood, Norfolk, his father, Charles, was 36 and his mother, Mary, was 27. He married Eleanor Turrell on January 25, 1808, in Wicklewood, Norfolk. They had six children in 22 years. He died on October 20, 1866, having lived a long life of 79 years.
Alfred Woodbine: http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/17329417/person/1500679114/story
When Alfred Woodbine was born on October 15, 1869, in Doddington, Cambridgeshire, his father, James, was 45 and his mother, Emma, was 31. He married Mary Elizabeth Harrison in October 1897 in Wellingborough, Northamptonshire. They had five children in 10 years. He had four brothers and seven sisters.
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My uncle said the Woodbines had a different name in France and paid for the name Woodbine before moving to the UK, but I don't know what that name would have been or where in France?
I hope this helps and look forward to hearing from you.
Best,
Jannette
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Hi Janette,
About Woodbine in France, you won't find any with this spelling and it is necessary to give more explanations.
My grand mother always told us we came from Ireland in mid XVII c. and our original name was Woodbine ( now Houdebine).
A priest in Anjou of the same name (not the same branch) did some researches and thought the same.
Finally I met another Houdebine doing some genealogy researches (also from another branch of the name) who told me ... the same story !
This is why I tried to find as possible a link between the two countries, thinking settlement in France was findable for this period.
This sounded well as distinct people were telling the same and that the name variation could be easily explained.
Names were written before XIX c. as they were pronunced.
So Woodbine in french would be heard as Hoodbine (there is niearly no name using W in old french except when coming from northern countries (Belgium, Netherland, Germany ...)
So Woodbine / Hoodbine was (probably) writting as pronunced... in french as Houdbine, Hudbine, Houdebine, Oudbine as so on.
What I found is a little bit different:
- Settlement is older than told as I found people in 1560 indicating it may be existing since 100y war (or earlier ???)
- a main settlement in Northern Anjou where many english settlements are know during/after the 100y war
- in the same area/same period I found many english/irish names also existing
- 2 branches of the name in France as i told you including one smaller and later: the second is about 50-100 years later and seem to follow the british conquest in south of Paris (from Tours to Montargis) (supposed to be in relation biut no proof)
At that time, I found NO other branch not in relation with these two, even when they moved in Indochina, Algeria ...
About your ancestors, if you have at least the name of the parent borned in France and a period, I may be able to give you some data and/or some links for your own reseaches.
If you need more information you may write me at yhoudebine at gmail dot com
yvan