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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Jolyon on Sunday 16 September 12 20:20 BST (UK)
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If anybody has access to death registrations after 2005, or will visit a Library or Record Office that have them, I would appreciate info for John (or Jonathan) Gouldbourn, death about 2007 (give or take) probably Manchester.
Name, year, reg district and stated age if you would be so kind. Thanks in anticipation.
Jolyon
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Hi
the nearest I can find is Jonathan Gouldbourn cremated in 1997 at Blackley crem
Heather
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The registration of that death shows he was born 21.10.1939
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Heatherjulie/CaroleW,
First my thanks for your for your replies, but this is not the person I'm looking for.
Some background may be helpful;
Because I have some on my tree I was contacted recently by a lady seeking info about her Gouldbourn ancestry.
She has no information about her lineage beyond her deceased grandparents, who she says were Jonathan & Ivy Gouldbourn (nee Amos). However, the GRO shows it was John who married Ivy (not Jonathan) though this could be an error.
To try and go back further I was trying to establish when grandpa would have been born from his death record, which she says occurred in the last 10 years, about 2006/7 she 'thinks'. The records post 2005 are not online, so far as I'm aware, hence my post on RC.
I know from past research into my own lineage that the name can be recorded with various spellings, an 'e' on the end is the most common.
Regards
Jolyon
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Ivy Amos married John Gouldbourne ,
Manchester Lancashire O/N/D 1943
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Thank you Radcliffe for your contribution but with respect I knew when they married. I'm trying to establish when John was born, from his death registration.
But again thank you for your input.
Jolyon
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Hi
Do you have his age on his marriage certificate?
Heather
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There is a marriage for
Jonathan Gouldbourn and Emily Siddall
Newton Heath, All Saints, Manchester 1936
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Heather
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There is a birth record for
John Horace Gouldbourne in 1936 Ardwick District Manchester
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Thank you Radcliffe for your contribution but with respect I knew when they married. I'm trying to establish when John was born, from his death registration.
But again thank you for your input.
Jolyon
Ah, but it's a means to an end. If you order the marriage certificate, you will find out when John was born, as well as lots of other potentially useful information.
Mike
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Thank you Mike for your input of course the marriage cert will give the wanted information,
we all have to buy a cert or two now and again,
I have piles of them as my ancestors were not Lancasshire folk ,like myself,
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Emily Gouldbourne
of 14 Cambus Avenue Newton Heath Manchester
widow died Crumpsall hospital 2nd Feb 1962
admin granted to Jonathon Gouldbourne,joiner
Emily Siddall and Jonathon Gouldbourne
married,All Saints Newton Heath,Manchester
1936
so that gets rid of that one Heather,if he married an Ivy
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My thanks again to all who have contributed but, if I may explain a little more;
I am 'au fait' with what the marriage cert would tell me but I'm acting as a kind of broker for a third party. Whether the lady in question would be prepared to purchase a copy I don't know, as I've not asked. Just thought I would try a short-cut first before suggesting it. My thought was that 'if' grandpa died 2006/7 it should be easy to identify his birth from this record.
To recap what I know: The couple married in 1943 and the records indicate he was John, not Jonathan as my informant thought, and they started a family almost immediately. (I'm given to understand grandma was born 1922 by the way).
Regards
Jolyon
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Jonathon Gouldbourne,mother Turner
Manchester 1913
Possible parents
Frederick Gouldbourne and Gertrude Turner
married St Philip Manchester,1906
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Fredricks wife dies 1946 and he remarries to Sarah
Frederick dies 1962,Moston Manchester
maybe some of these names will ring a bell
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Thank you Radcliff but Jonathan b.1913 is one of several possibles. A view of the death entry would state the birthday (or at least birth year) to confirm which is correct.
Jolyon
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A view of the death entry would state the birthday (or at least birth year) to confirm which is correct.
As online sources are only available up to 2006 and we have ruled them out - you would need to contact Lancashire records office to see what sources they have available from 2007 onwards at the RO and what form they take
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Do you know where he was buried/ cremated?
Heather
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CaroleW,
I thought BMD records to about 2008 at least were available at County Record offices and some public libraries, which is why I asked on RChat. If I'm wrong I'm not going to get an answer here and tender my apologies.
Heatherjulie,
Don't know where but I will ask.
Cheers
Jolyon
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Just a thought - if the County records office do have them - they may be in a computerised format and therefore quick to search.
You could try ringing to see if that is correct and whether they would be prepared to look for you
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Take a look at the GRO site
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Registeringlifeevents/Familyhistoryandresearch/DG_175464
BMDs are only available online until 2005 (2006 for births). However the GRO has designated 7 sites that have the Births, Marriages and Deaths available to view up until about 18 months from current date (ie 2010 / 2011).
The 7 are spread around the country and are :-
Viewing full copies of the indexes
You cannot buy copies of the GRO indexes, but complete sets are available to view at:
Birmingham Central Library
Bridgend Reference and Information Library
City of Westminster Archives Centre
Manchester City Library
Newcastle City Library
Plymouth Central Library
The British Library*
If you live near one, pay them a visit. I have used these services with the odd email enquiry to 2 of the listed to find a GRO reference so I then ordered a copy of a certificate online, although the GRO will supply a certificate with a +/- 1 year search without a reference
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Thank you HP.
A very useful link, confirming my original thought that BMD records up to 2009 are available at designated locations, including Manchester Library, Elliot House, 151 Deansgate. So, back to my original question if I may. Anyone visiting and can do a look-up please?
Regards
Jolyon
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Back to my posting, why not email Manchester to look for a record for you, Plymouth and Bridgend answered emails I sent to them
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Hi HP,
A quick update. Took your advice and emailed M/cr Library. Reply today to advise they will do the look-up for fee (with respect pretty much what I expected but thank you).
Still hopeful some kind soul, if visiting, might do a look-up for me.
Regards
Jolyon
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Any luck with finding out where he was buried?
Heather
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Sorry Heather I should have come back to you before. I asked the question but the lady has no idea. Thinks it may have been Salford, as she again 'thinks' he died in a home there.
Cheers
Jolyon
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I read your post with interest. I am related to the Gouldbourn family. Jonathan Gouldbourn married Emily Siddall, who was my father's sister. They had a son, also called Jonathan, born in 1939 and died in 1997. He had a son called Jonathan once again. I have looked at the birth and death records and this shows Jonathan A Gouldbourn born in 1964 , and died in 2006. Whilst I am not 100% certain that this was the relation I knew in the 60s, the date of birth of 1964 seems to convince me that it was my cousin. We always knew him as little Johnnie. Unfortunately we lost contact many years ago. The last place that Jonathan (born 1939) lived was Nuthurst Road Moston. Apart from that I have no further knowledge than that.
Robert Siddall.
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Hi
I am connected to the Gouldbourn family Jonathan Gouldbourn & Mary E Small are my
great grandparents
Both father & son are in Blackley cemetery.
Jonathan Gouldbourn 8th Aug 1997
Johnathan Albert Gouldbourn 9th June 2006
Blackley cemetery Phone no for more info.
Phone: 0161 227 3201
Marj
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If you need to check any more
http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx
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Hi,
First, apologies for late response due (a) pressing other matters, and (b) in truth I can barely remember the topic, it was so long ago.
Though I'm fairly sure I resolved the query for the lady at the time.
Second, the Gouldbourn's are indeed related to me ,though I'm aware a great many are not on my tree, for various reasons, but mostly because my research in recent years has been into 'other branches' of my family.
The Gouldbourn branch may well figure again in the near future Meantime thank you for your interest.
Regards
Jolyon